Tweets of the PAX Panel
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Posted on: 2010-09-04 10:38 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I17 was actually incredibly lackluster. The only reason someone should mention the sheer size of it would be when discussing the amount of bugs it brought out.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
This is what i dont get. From what people said, i17/i18/i19 was all supposed to be one issue? Or at least the large majority of it? Fairly ambitious considering the sheer size of them all isnt it?
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Thanks so much for this info. Ransim and Gothess for tweeting these in. Marcian_Tobay for pointing it out, and Orion_Star_EU for summarizing them nicely.
I'm so excited about this, I even posted this on my website here as well. And Massively was also at PAX of course and wrote something here. It seems Massively will also be posting more about it later on.
Here's to hoping they add content to Praetoria for 21-50. I know they made a huge leap in creating Going Rogue, but i'd love to have the option to play and entire character's career in Praetoria. Not sure which issue it may be, but I'm hoping its sooner rather than "on the radar but not priority".
But so far from what I'm seeing it looks nice. I mean, the whole force-respecing everyone's characters will no doubt be annoying and then the issue of the three powers to choose and pitiful amount of slots they'd be letting us put into those three powers isn't really ideal. But if it must be done then okay. I won't complain about being given stamina for free 
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Originally Posted by ransim
As a note two people were filming the panel so video should be up eventually.
Also someone else made a smarky comment about issue 19 being what didnt make it into issue 18. He devs admitted this and that they did it to ensure we got a quality release with less but better features then a lot of subpar average items. Again sorry for shortness and typos on my phone still. So I have only briefly gone over the thread can't believe its 14 pages. |
Was the Party Pack addressed at all?
Also, thanks so much for the updates. You rock!
So, when I came into the game, I was lucky. I had a really good friend who showed me the ropes, first hand; running a bunch of missions with me, giving me constructive critiques for my playstyle, how to place slots and enhancements effectively and at what levels, and ... what powers to choose and when.
Had I not had that, it would have been a good amount of time - and likely at a point when I had no respecs - until I realized the importance of the Fitness Pool.
A LOT of newbies, especially coming in at GR? Aren't going to realize this either, at first. And it can BE such a crippling thing in some instances, with some powersets and builds, that it really is almost a requirement on a LOT of builds.
Really, having to take Fitness is why I haven't gotten a LOT of characters in my first year to top over 20. I like Scrappers, for instance, but they require their Defenses, Resistances, and Mez Protection oftentimes as soon as you can work them in. And thus they are not left with a lot of options for what they're good at.
You know.
Attacking.
My early Scrappers are LUCKY if they have a third attack before Level 22, besides Brawl. And that... is sucky. It's not a fun way to play, and it can be an absolutely miserable grind until that point.
So if I can get a good third of my power choices freed up in the first 20 levels? That is absolutely outstanding.
CoH's appeal for me, personally, over other MMOs I've tried is its level of customization; but that there was ALWAYS that one absolute necessity of having to take at least those three powers? Has always added just a touch of blandness to the early proceedings.
Provided it's implemented well enough, I can't wait for it; in fact, it makes me inclined to not really even work on many new characters until its out, as rolling new characters with this in place is a MUCH more exciting prospect.
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My super reflex scrappers will have a travel power.|
Originally Posted by Weatherwoman
My only problem with inherent fitness is that we won't get any extra slots for the powers that we have to take in their place, so they will end up being unused dummy powers.
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My invulnerability characters will take the RE passives.
My forcefield characters will take powers like detention field and force bolt.
My stone tanker will have his fire|ice and n|energy shields for when he's out of granite.
I may, for the first time ever, have a character pick phase shift.
None of those powers need extra slots to be useful, and they would certainly not go unused.
To say 'we' won't get anything in their place but unused dummy powers is factually incorrect. Perhaps that is what you wish to do with your builds, but not all of us are unable to find something useful with the choice.
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Actually, I think you'll find it was the Issue that had the most luster ever |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
I17 was actually incredibly lackluster.
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This PaX panel contained more awesomness then expected.
I approve.
I can't believe people are whining that fitness is going to be inherent.
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I second this. |
Originally Posted by Shadowrush
Thanks so much for this info. Ransim and Gothess for tweeting these in. Marcian_Tobay for pointing it out, and Orion_Star_EU for summarizing them nicely.
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My pointless speculation on how inherent fitness will work:
- current fitness pool powers will be grandfathered for existing characters but will not be available to new characters or after a respec
- all fitness powers will remain slottable
- all four powers (swift, hurdle, health, stamina) will be available at level 1
- all four powers at level 1 (except stamina) will be reduced in effectiveness as per their level 1 status, then improve as a character levels. The overall stats will fundamentally stay the same as they are now.
- stamina will be boosted so that its effectiveness is capped with its default slot. The main impetus for this will be to make the 1-20 experience less 'draining' and to free up slots for other powers.
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Okay, sure your characters will be able to take those. But I can tell that a lot of people are gonna use those three power placements to pick up Epics. Lot's of people have tight Super Reflexes builds, or Shield builds or whatever other tight builds there are, that would benefit greatly from powers that they would now be able to get. BUT with the ability to slot them. If I'm going to grab fireball on my scrapper, is it really worth the one slot that is going to be allowed? Not the slightest. Or if a character is going to grab Aid Self, is it worth only having one enhancement in it? Sure, having the power itself can prove beneficial but the beneficial gain is less the negligible. |
Originally Posted by Dersk
My super reflex scrappers will have a travel power.
My invulnerability characters will take the RE passives. My forcefield characters will take powers like detention field and force bolt. My stone tanker will have his fire|ice and n|energy shields for when he's out of granite. I may, for the first time ever, have a character pick phase shift. None of those powers need slots to be useful, and they would certainly not go unused. To say 'we' won't get anything in their place but unused dummy powers is factually incorrect. Perhaps that is what you wish to do with your builds, but not all of us are unable to find something useful with the choice. |
If it is a concept thing to pick up Phase Shift, then by all means, go for whatever makes you happy. But that doesn't mean the entire playerbase should be forced into having powers that pretty much won't help the character out much. Slots are there for a reason, and not being able to add any to these moves is a little upsetting.
Just my opinion on the matter.
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Agreed. I would bet that they did this to further make the 1-20 game more tolerable. I may actually enjoy alting again! |
Originally Posted by Creole Ned
I second this.
My pointless speculation on how inherent fitness will work: - current fitness pool powers will be grandfathered for existing characters but will not be available to new characters or after a respec - all fitness powers will remain slottable - all four powers (swift, hurdle, health, stamina) will be available at level 1 - all four powers at level 1 (except stamina) will be reduced in effectiveness as per their level 1 status, then improve as a character levels. The overall stats will fundamentally stay the same as they are now. - stamina will be boosted so that its effectiveness is capped with its default slot. The main impetus for this will be to make the 1-20 experience less 'draining' and to free up slots for other powers. |
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Originally Posted by Dersk
My super reflex scrappers will have a travel power.
My invulnerability characters will take the RE passives. My forcefield characters will take powers like detention field and force bolt. My stone tanker will have his fire|ice and n|energy shields for when he's out of granite. I may, for the first time ever, have a character pick phase shift. None of those powers need extra slots to be useful, and they would certainly not go unused. To say 'we' won't get anything in their place but unused dummy powers is factually incorrect. Perhaps that is what you wish to do with your builds, but not all of us are unable to find something useful with the choice. |
I can certainly find uses for it on some of my characters (my tanker can pick taunt back up now) but not ALL of my characters.
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On my main, an SR with defenses at or near the caps, Aid Self with just an Interrupt in it would indeed be useful. He doesn't get hit that much.
| Or if a character is going to grab Aid Self, is it worth only having one enhancement in it? Sure, having the power itself can prove beneficial but the beneficial gain is less the negligible. |
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Here's the 64 Billion INF question:
By Inherent do they mean: "Doesn't take one of your 4 power pool choices." or does it mean: "You get four free powers that you can spend slots on, freeing up an average of three powers to existing builds."
My own experience with Fitness: I've taken it as early as possible on every character with the exception of Masterminds. I've only used two slots (one for health and one for stamina) for the powers unless I have Healing/Endurance Procs.
I'm for anything that changes the status quo significantly and this certainly does that.
I'm going to have a lot of fun redesigning my characters when this hits. Plus I'll have my City Traveler vet reward by December which opens up things even more.
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I'll just give a quick 'nod' to someone who said it earlier.
I'd like to maybe see (in the future at some point), an option for lvl 49 (47 too maybe) where you can choose a power or 3 more enhancement slots. Obviously you can't do more than 6 slots in a single power but...would be nice at some point on some characters to have more slots than a power you may never use.
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As long as my alts can still slot fitness and insert the procs in to the powers I'm fine with it going inherent
I can hear all the Kheldians laughing at your slotting woes.
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Maybe Tyrant's invasion IS part of the Coming Storm?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If that is Apex in the picture, and he's wearing Vanguard armor, maybe that means the new TF will involve Praetoria, as the Vanguard are leading the way to bring down the dictatorship?
That'd mean it'd be a co-op TF, and it'd also match up with Praetoria being opened up to Primal Earth people - and the alpha strike could refer either to what we're doing in Praetoria, or the first attack of Tyrant's invasion. EDIT: Of course, it could also have nothing to do with Praetoria, and the alpha strike could refer to some possible first wave of the Coming Storm |
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Maybe Tyrant's invasion IS part of the Coming Storm?
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100% no
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Oh look! Not a word regarding PvP... I wasn't expecting that! :/
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Well, not quite 100% |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
100% no
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Originally Posted by Primal
Inherent Fitness.
I...don't know how I feel about that. Part of me says yay, part of me is now wary that there's a catch. I'm certainly not opposed to it, mind you. I've fit it in fine, or gone without fine, depending on the character, but if it's handed to me I ain't gonna turn it down. I'm just naturally skeptical regarding free things. Incarnate stuff leaves me pretty indifferent, but this other news is interesting. |
You'll have to respec to take advantage of it on existing characters.
Characters as they exist now, will only get the Inherent Fitness powers if they do not have any of them in their build. Conversely, if you don't you get them as Inherents and never get the option to select them as pool powers.
ooh, I was right on one of my guesses! Care to reveal how I fared on the others?
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Originally Posted by Castle
Here's the only catch:
You'll have to respec to take advantage of it on existing characters. Characters as they exist now, will only get the Inherent Fitness powers if they do not have any of them in their build. Conversely, if you don't you get them as Inherents and never get the option to select them as pool powers. |
, are they going to unlock automatically at the same levels as now?
Always remember, we were Heroes.
It won't win any 'best issue ever' awards from me or anything, but there were things we'd been wanting in there.
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