Alpha Slot Removed from Going Rogue
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-07-12 11:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
I understand the reasoning, but this news worries me, push it back once means it can be pushed back twice. Just hope that the Incarnate system doesn't get shelved the way CoP did and we have to wait 5 years for it to re emerge, having a initial level in GR kind of guaranteed they had to continue development, without that level they can take the entire system back to formula, I don't think the game can survive that long without post 50 content. GR buys some time to pay with new gizmo's but I'll be jumping ship for TOR completely next spring if my 50's don't have anything new to do or work towards.
So we will be getting a taste of incarnates in I18.5 instead of I18? Good to know. At least it is just one tiny part of the incarnate system instead of the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by Thraxis
I understand the reasoning, but this news worries me, push it back once means it can be pushed back twice. Just hope that the Incarnate system doesn't get shelved the way CoP did and we have to wait 5 years for it to re emerge, having a initial level in GR kind of guaranteed they had to continue development, without that level they can take the entire system back to formula, I don't think the game can survive that long without post 50 content. GR buys some time to pay with new gizmo's but I'll be jumping ship for TOR completely next spring if my 50's don't have anything new to do or work towards.
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ITF and Lady Grey aren't cutting it anymore, need 50 and "post"-50 content in the baddest way please.
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Extremely disappointing...
I realise that it is for the better, but let's not forget that this means yet another issue without level 50 content and one less feature in GR...
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you mean the dev team isnt gonna let it rot for 3 months then nerf the crap out of it for a year then actually fix it so its a semblance of fun?
this wont do, time to send out the Jack Emmert signal. We need to get this dev team back on thier previous track pronto.
This makes me sad 
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
ITF and Lady Grey aren't cutting it anymore, need 50 and "post"-50 content in the baddest way please. |
Very disappointed to hear this news. Even before this delay, I was concerned about the release date of Issue 19 this year. Now I am very concerned....
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Heh, close. In this case, it's seemingly underperforming, so first you boost it up to stupid level, then nerf the crap out of it. |
Captain_Freak cheek is full of tongue: you mean the dev team isnt gonna let it rot for 3 months then nerf the crap out of it for a year then actually fix it so its a semblance of fun? |
Dec out.
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From the sounds of it those "changes" would be buffs because it is weaker than they want. Everyone loves buffs!|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
Better to release something that works correctly later than to release something now and having to make "changes" later.
Thank You Positron! |
I'm slightly worried because like mentioned above this sounds like it might be taking the incarnate system back to formula.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Almost certainly - it's one of the big selling features of GR.
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That isn't even in GR now... at all..
This is incredibly LAME. Starting the incarnate thing was a huge selling point of GR for me. Pulling it out at this stage, after you used it to market GR, and after many players pre-purchased GR (including me), really pisses me off.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
measure twice, cut once.
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
That isn't even in GR now... at all..
This is incredibly LAME. Starting the incarnate thing was a huge selling point of GR for me. Pulling it out at this stage, after you used it to market GR, and after many players pre-purchased GR (including me), really pisses me off. |
With respect, at no point in the GR features does it say anything about the Incarnate system:
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Based on Posi's post, yeah it sounds like I would be. Here's hoping for a power up to the incarnate system.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
You're gonna be really disappointed.
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Lets stop the attempts at revisionist history right now. The first level of the incarnates system was pushed by the devs as being in GR before the prepurchase thing came up. Pointing at one or two things that doesn't include this information doesn't change that fact. The very fact that positron started this post saying he was pulling the system from GR, and this isn't the beta forums, clearly demonstrates that it was a known fact this system was going to be in GR.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
With respect, at no point in the GR features does it say anything about the Incarnate system:
I don't see Incarnates advertised anywhere. |
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Indeed. I'd say this is pretty concrete evidence supporting the fact that it was expected for some time to be included:|
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Lets stop the attempts at revisionist history right now. The first level of the incarnates system was pushed by the devs as being in GR before the prepurchase thing came up. Pointing at one or two things that doesn't include this information doesn't change that fact. The very fact that positron started this post saying he was pulling the system from GR, and this isn't the beta forums, clearly demonstrates that it was a known fact this system was going to be in GR.
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Originally Posted by Positron
Hey everyone,
I know its been common knowledge for a while that the initial phase of the Incarnate system would be available in City of Heroes: Going Rogue. |
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I don't see Incarnates advertised anywhere.
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Im also extremely excited about the City of Heroes Going Rogue Expansion this summer! Everyone here at Paragon Studios has put their hearts into it and its going to be a lot of fun! This is our premier expansion and were very excited to see all our hard work over the last year make it to you guys!
So there is a lot in store for you with new Power Sets, new zones (in the awesomeness that is Praetoria), more missions, and the Going Rogue system (with has lots of missions, too). Not only that, but familiar characters that you met in Paragon City or the Rogue Isles make a re-appearance in this alternate universe, and a teensy tinsy introduction to the Incarnate System should keep you level 50s busy for some time! |
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
With respect, at no point in the GR features does it say anything about the Incarnate system:
I don't see Incarnates advertised anywhere. |
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It's dissapointing, yeah, but better to delay it than to have a broken, underwhelming system. So sure...
/didn't pre-purchase anyway
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Well I am somewhat disappointed in this since while I do intend to use the new level 1-20 content (at least once) and am loving my Dual Pistols character the Incarnate system was probably the thing I was most looking forward to in Going Rogue.
That being said I agree with the "better to delay it and get it right" crowd. However, I am impatient and I was REALLY looking forward to finding out what the Incarnate system was all about. Since it is still being covered by the NDA I will presumably not find out anything until the I19 beta. So with that being said could you perhaps give us some info regarding how the Incarnate system will work. I realize you're still changing things but surely SOME of it is solid enough to give us a few teasers? Pretty please? *puppy dog eyes*
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
Color me disappoionted; I was looking forward to a sneak peak of the Issue 19 stuff.
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This.
It's a bummer not to get the new Incarnate system right on Aug. 15th, but I totally agree it's best to have something that works well rather than have something that works now. I'll keep.
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I am disappointed cause I would have liked to have seen it, if I was invited into the beta...
I liked the free time during round October, read about the loyalty program, pre-ordering GR, that I'd have a chance (notice the italics in chance) into being in the GR beta, so I re-subscribed, even pre-orded GR, and waited...
days became weeks, weeks became months, I stayed tuned and tried to keep up on the newest info about GR and learned about even more power sets, and even an incarnate system to "further enhance my 50's, and create end game content", then that made me want even more to see into this development into this "expansion" that I already paid for and remember the feeling how it was to be in the CoV beta and see what they added in and what they took out, then I heard GR was coming out in 2 months from now...
I figured "oh well, just work on my 50's and IO them out till then", then I read this...
I can't be mad for something I never touched or had any thoughts about, so color me grey on this matter on what I would like about it, *BUT*, my thoughts are as of this moment is that I would have liked to have seen it, to be told something is in the pipeline and others get to view, but not you...
I just feel like the horse driven by a carrot, I feel like I am being shown something but I have to hold on till it's "ready", but wait!!! don't get bored now waiting for the carrot! buy something in the meantime to help ease that tension of not getting what would be Soon™!
Hope you see what I am getting at though, I'll wait till GR comes out, but don't expect me to be too thrilled about what I'll be getting like I've "assumed" I would have when I re-subscribed...
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
ITF and Lady Grey aren't cutting it anymore, need 50 and "post"-50 content in the baddest way please.
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I don't mean that you should stop doing what you like... just expressing how differently I see the game, is all. Also, don't get me wrong, I understand that a ton of people enjoy playing their high level character. It's just that I don't, and they get shelved pretty much as soon as they ding 50 (except my two badging characters).
Given all of that, it seems obvious that I wasn't excited about the Incarnate system, and so don't really care at all that it got delayed. Hell, I am more excited to fly through Praetoria for the first time and mess with the new costumes.
So .... let me get this straight ...
You're shelving a whole system based on what people are saying about seeing 1/10th of it ?
How do the other 9/10ths affect the 1st/10th ??
I want to know whether testers are only seeing mediocre results because they aren't experiencing/can't experience the full incarnate system yet.
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Been in one of those, and NEVER again. The game is so raw, so ugly, so much changes and in need of work that you might well get turned off to the game proper.
Oh, and this is why the NDA's exist. You're really seeing a raw, unpolished version of something and its almost guaranteed to change/improve when officially released. Folks who spill the beans on the raw stuff are giving what may well be wrong upon official release.
Also - if you're in the beta, none what you do carries, achievement-wise over to live. That's a turn off for some folks too (no "new content" smell).
Whenever my tier gets into beta (loyalty customers), I might well ignore the invite and simply wait for release. I'm not Arcanaville or one of the great number/mechanics crunchers. I have trouble seeing possible abuses or shortfalls. I can tell you what I enjoy (or not), but that's about it. I might log in simply to report how it works on my computer. But honestly, if I never get in (the email gets lost or whatever), I can't say I really care or feel like I'm missing out.