Alpha Slot Removed from Going Rogue
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Posted on: 2010-07-12 11:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Based on what Posi said, the slot was working as intended but players had little to do once they unlocked it. When they discovered that the Alpha slot did not exemplar down, player feedback must have really started to roll in....
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Originally Posted by Diggis
You guys must be reading a different release to me. I read it as the Alpha slot didn't stand on it's own as well as hoped and really needs the other levels to work so they are waiting to release it closer to I19 so that players don't feel like they wasted their time.
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I have to admit to being a little amazed here. All the people crying Doom and yet not wanting a lame duck at the same time. Personally I am glad that they are going to hold this up. I would much rather see them "fix" the Incarnates abilities than release something broken to begin with. Didn't we just see that happen in Issue 17?
I remember a long time ago getting the "Cathedral of Pain" addition to the game and that lasted about a week or two before they yanked it off. Why? It wasn't ready. We had a right to be mad about something being released before it was ready, we would be stupid to be mad at them for holding the release of this until it is properly polished.
Bravo to the staff of Paragon Studios for making this well thought out decision and letting us know WELL in advance. My hats are off to all of you. I at least appreciate the information and I think many more will when they take the time to really think this through. 
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Personally I'm a bit amazed that people are saying "bravo" for implementing and then pulling a system which seems to be broken / underwhelming. I wish my customers would shower praise on me when I do something poorly and then tell them they can't have it yet because of my design flaws.
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Originally Posted by GMan3
I have to admit to being a little amazed here. All the people crying Doom and yet not wanting a lame duck at the same time. Personally I am glad that they are going to hold this up. I would much rather see them "fix" the Incarnates abilities than release something broken to begin with. Didn't we just see that happen in Issue 17?
I remember a long time ago getting the "Cathedral of Pain" addition to the game and that lasted about a week or two before they yanked it off. Why? It wasn't ready. We had a right to be mad about something being released before it was ready, we would be stupid to be mad at them for holding the release of this until it is properly polished. Bravo to the staff of Paragon Studios for making this well thought out decision and letting us know WELL in advance. My hats are off to all of you. I at least appreciate the information and I think many more will when they take the time to really think this through. |
When did the devs start attending the Blizzard school of development and marketing?
"Yeah you know the stuff we said would be in the expansion, when we sold it you? Yeah that's not in it."
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Originally Posted by Dark Ether
I'm all for getting it right and then rolling it out, than having to revamp it afterward.
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Yeah tell that to Blizzard, their next expansion pack is out soon, and they still haven't rolled out some of the stuff they advertise on the back of the box.
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It's no wonder that the Devs withhold so much info. They talked about the system, encountered problems, and pushed it back. Frankly, that seems like a smart design decision to me.
The reaction from the Doooom Contingent is probably why they don't offer many previews. They're probably thinking, "If only we had kept our mouths shut". Just keep this in mind the next time the Devs answer our questions with "no comment."
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OK, I know that the Incarnates system is supposed to be the 'End Game' content we've been waiting for, but *what* changes does it supposedly make to your character? The reason I ask is because we've known for some time that States and Recluse were Incarnates, but it's been recently revealed that Hamidon is in that category as well (?).
So does the Incarnate system (Incarnate of what? A greek god? Evil? Good? Can you choose?) simply add new strengths, powers, etc. or can you change your toon in a extreme way i.e. Hamidon?
Just wondering if more information has squeeked out about the system that I haven't seen...
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Originally Posted by marqaha
It's no wonder that the Devs withhold so much info. They talked about the system, encountered problems, and pushed it back. Frankly, that seems like a smart design decision to me.
The reaction from the Doooom Contingent is probably why they don't offer many previews. They're probably thinking, "If only we had kept our mouths shut". Just keep this in mind the next time the Devs answer our questions with "no comment." |
Alternatively, if you're not sure it's going to be part of the release... don't advertise it as part of the release?
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If the Alpha Slot does not exemplar down, it might be best for it to undergo more testing and tweaking, as the power creep the slots offer will need to impress substantially to overcome my purples and PvPIOs exemplaring down, as I run several Task Forces per week and don't want dead slots...
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Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero
Not likely. I'm supposed to be in both the other tiers for the loyalty program and the pre-purchase.
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I hope so!I personally would much rather they take it out if it isn't going to work how they wanted... It was always talked about as a sneak peak at future content anyway not as much GR content... I'm still disappointed, but at least they commented on it instead of waiting till it came out and just not saying anything. It could have come out before GR and people would have been mad... Just like Ultra Mode. There's always going to be someone complaining about something!
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Lets stop the attempts at revisionist history right now. The first level of the incarnates system was pushed by the devs as being in GR before the prepurchase thing came up. Pointing at one or two things that doesn't include this information doesn't change that fact. The very fact that positron started this post saying he was pulling the system from GR, and this isn't the beta forums, clearly demonstrates that it was a known fact this system was going to be in GR.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
Indeed. I'd say this is pretty concrete evidence supporting the fact that it was expected for some time to be included:
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
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http://www.examiner.com/x-5942-MMO-Examiner~y2010m3d29-Big-City-of-Heroes-news-at-PAX-East-2010
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I don't like it either, but I'm not going to trot out the old "SLAP IN THE FACE" that some people have. To suggest that it was a deliberate maneuver, or that there has been some manner of criminal bait-and-switch pulled, is ludicrous. It was an extra feature that we were looking forward to. It still is. If the Incarnate sneak peek was the ONLY reason you bought GR in advance, and you haven't ONCE played DS or DP, well then you have my condolences.
Also: revisionist history? Really?
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i pre-purchased GR for dual pistols and of course GR itself once it launches the side switching stuffs!
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Aug 15th?... You mean 17th or did I miss something? |
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
This.
It's a bummer not to get the new Incarnate system right on Aug. 15th, |
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They better add something to GR to make me (and other players) bite because I am not surprised by this announcement and I prolly wont be picking up GR because of this.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You're still going to need a copy of GR to use the Incarnate system
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This news pleases me. I never liked the idea of being able to get one level of Incarnate powers and then have the character sit around twiddling their thumbs for a few months waiting for the next issue before they could progress further. I'd find that frustrating, rather than an enjoyable sneak peek, and I'm glad I'll be able to concentrate on exploring Praetoria and side-switching first, and then get the Incarnate system complete later. YMMV.
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It's weird. I've been fairly pessimistic about the Incarnate system anyway, so on the one hand, this announcement shouldn't bother me, and for the most part doesn't really change my opinion. Unlike a lot of people, it seems, the new low level content in GR is still a big part of the appeal, so I'm still very much looking forward to the new box, regardless of anything else.
On the other hand, I do feel just the slightest touch of disappointment, probably because the delay now means another half a year or so of suspecting I won't like it, but not knowing for sure. It's the uncertainty that kills me.
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
Based on what Posi said, the slot was working as intended but players had little to do once they unlocked it. When they discovered that the Alpha slot did not exemplar down, player feedback must have really started to roll in....
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People shouldn't necessarily assume that the problem was with the mechanical system itself. (Or least what part of the system was involved in the "sneak peek".) The problem may have been that there was not enough to do with that mechanical system. Positron's post talks about drops, which implies some degree of "grind" or time spent. What if that was just imposed on existing content, or on a really small set of new content? Would that really satisfy people who want more to do with their 50s?
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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If I17's changes to our enhancement screen are a good indication, I am not sure I would expect Incarnate System slots to compete with anything else in that sense.
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
If the Alpha Slot does not exemplar down, it might be best for it to undergo more testing and tweaking, as the power creep the slots offer will need to impress substantially to overcome my purples and PvPIOs exemplaring down, as I run several Task Forces per week and don't want dead slots...
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Really? Cos I17 just changed the slots from oval to round on wide screens. On a 4:3 screen it had no change. Unless the incarnates have something to do with tiny numbers... |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
If I17's changes to our enhancement screen are a good indication, I am not sure I would expect Incarnate System slots to compete with anything else in that sense.
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Because they're pleased when game makers actually listen to feedback and go back to do more work on something that the players aren't satisfied with.|
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Personally I'm a bit amazed that people are saying "bravo" for implementing and then pulling a system which seems to be broken / underwhelming. I wish my customers would shower praise on me when I do something poorly and then tell them they can't have it yet because of my design flaws.
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It's a low bar without a doubt, but that's where we've learned to set expectations. (And that's not specifically a dig just at Paragon Studios.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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The title bars for powers are currently longer than six slots. There is now room for a seventh slot on each power. Before I17, the bar was basically exactly six slots long.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
Really? Cos I17 just changed the slots from oval to round on wide screens. On a 4:3 screen it had no change. Unless the incarnates have something to do with tiny numbers...
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I play on a wide screen.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by Diggis
You guys must be reading a different release to me. I read it as the Alpha slot didn't stand on it's own as well as hoped and really needs the other levels to work so they are waiting to release it closer to I19 so that players don't feel like they wasted their time.
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I swear I saw something about changing the Alpha Slot ... maybe that's what I wanted to read when I saw it was being taken out of Going Rogue.
That does make more sense to give it to us when the system as a whole is close to being released rather than a taste now, and the rest in 5 months.
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Well this is good that Posi wants to get it right, just hope it does come with i19 tho and not 6 months after GR has been out, that would suck lol.
Also I hope they have some kind of content planed for the incarnate system to go into and be super powerful beings and really realize our new power.
Like maybe take us on a Arc or something a good story that leads up to it 8)
Anys ways good Job Posi, just help them get GR out to us faster
Now you could be right, maybe it's because just one level of it is underwhelming, or it could be that the entire thing is poorly thought out, I dunno, haven't seen anything about how it works currently to make a judgement on it myself.