Alpha Slot Removed from Going Rogue
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-07-12 11:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Well, these were the options available to them:|
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
That isn't even in GR now... at all..
This is incredibly LAME. Starting the incarnate thing was a huge selling point of GR for me. Pulling it out at this stage, after you used it to market GR, and after many players pre-purchased GR (including me), really pisses me off. |
1 - Include a broken/incomplete Alpha slot in GR - result: nerd wrath.
2 - Pull the Alpha slot of GR to give them mroe time to get it working the way they want it to work - result: nerd wrath.
3 - Delay GR untilt he Alpha slot is working the way they wan it to work - result: nerd wrath.
The option they've chosen is the one that makes the most financial and gameplay sense.
@Golden Girl
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If it's not the same system as it is now, then the current system IS shelved.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Theyr'e not shelving it at all - they're going to continue working on it, but without the pressure of an August 17th deadline.
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Regardless, I still wanna know the dev's thoughts on the other 9/10ths of the Incarnate system in relation to the 1st/10th.
CHAMPION!
I don't mind it not being released whine going rouge goes live. I do however mind if i'm not going to get to see it in the closed beta.
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Apparently it's still in the friends and family/60+ month tiers.
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Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
Closed Beta is going on already?
I've got the pre-bought GR and no e-mail came to me,so how's it going to be the process of invitation? ps:sry bad english  |
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If the current system is getting worked on some more, it won't be the current system but it won't be shelved. How hard is this to grasp?|
Originally Posted by BigMoneyHustla
If it's not the same system as it is now, then the current system IS shelved.
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| Regardless, I still wanna know the dev's thoughts on the other 9/10ths of the Incarnate system in relation to the 1st/10th. |
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With just over a month to launch, I think it's probably gone a bit past that stage by now |
Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero
Apparently it's still in the friends and family/60+ month tiers.
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@Golden Girl
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So, the plan and development of the current system isn't shelved because they are going to continue working on it ? Apparently we have different definitions ... to each their own ...|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
If the current system is getting worked on some more, it won't be the current system but it won't be shelved. How hard is this to grasp?
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
You'll probably find out at the same time everyone else does, in i19 open beta.
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I want to know about the dev's thoughts on the other 9/10ths of the current system they are taking out ... why they have been so quick to remove it when the rest of the system wont be tested for another 4-5 months in relation to the 1st/10th.
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Originally Posted by Positron
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That last point was something that we got great feedback on in the GR Closed Beta. Even though it was just a sneak peak, the Alpha Slot doesnt benefit the player in a way that we had envisioned it would. Because of this feedback we have decided to act sooner rather than later. Since Alpha Slot Incarnate Abilities do not exemplar down (and we're not changing that), we find that players end up with Power that has limited use. We recognize that the Alpha Slot experience is something that a lot of you are eagerly awaiting for and we want to make sure that it is awesome, and most of all fun, when we bring the system on-line. /snip We want to thank everyone who tested and gave their feedback on the Alpha Slot, the drop rates, the costs, and especially how they see the Abilities interacting with their builds, math-wise. Your testing has been invaluable and we have learned a great deal in a short time thanks to you. We now feel that the Alpha Slot and Incarnate Abilities will have a much higher impact when they are ready to be rolled out. /snip |
You said about the power not exemplaring down ... you mean like every other power you don't have use of when you exemplar below it's level ? I could completely understand not having access to that power (we get new powers ?) when you exemplar down, you lower your power level, that is why you can't use it.
What about the other 9 slots in relation to the Alpha Slot, math wise ?
CHAMPION!
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My woman has been saying this for a long time now, and all the people keep telling her is she is wrong. |
Originally Posted by Neuronia
^^^ This.
ITF and Lady Grey aren't cutting it anymore, need 50 and "post"-50 content in the baddest way please. |
People keep telling her they are happy with the game as it is Now... and we dont need anything new for 50s to do, they dont want END GAME.
Tis why she is so damn close to giving up on this game.
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Well if the plan that was in place for the 1st one wasn't working it is probably a safe bet that the other 9 will need revision as well assuming they were anywhere near being done, which is very doubtful.|
Originally Posted by BigMoneyHustla
If it's not the same system as it is now, then the current system IS shelved.
Regardless, I still wanna know the dev's thoughts on the other 9/10ths of the Incarnate system in relation to the 1st/10th. |
So in short, they probably couldn't answer your question if they wanted to.
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You mean like City of Villains? ZING
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Originally Posted by Decorum
HA! Well, yes, it's a bit odd, but only if you think of GR as "buy it and get this". It does have a future beyond what comes with it.
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Obviously these 'people' are the minority because they are finally adding an end game and level 50 stuff. So, tell her to hang on just a bit longer!|
Originally Posted by Silver_Lobo
My woman has been saying this for a long time now, and all the people keep telling her is she is wrong.
People keep telling her they are happy with the game as it is Now... and we dont need anything new for 50s to do, they dont want END GAME. Tis why she is so damn close to giving up on this game. |
Good to see the DEVS give us an honest answer with some notice. I hope they realize it is appreciated when we are told where things are at instead of just silence for months at a time. Fill marks to them on filling us in.
I also hope their new direction is to add stuff to do instead of so much fluff like the last several issues. Their last 'big thing' went off with a fizzle (AE). I really like AE but it seems the amount of work that went into it does not justify the end result. Anyway, looks like good things on the horizon and thanks for the update.
I just came back to the game for this excatly this came about a month or so early was so excited. Why the good stuff? couldnt you delay the 1-20 content that it takes the average player 3 hours play time to get threw.
IDK I hope it doesn't end up staying as vaporware for 4 years like what happened to the COP cause incarnates sounded really interesting and I hate being left what if, you know like a good TV you really liked but was cancelled because the ratings werent great and ended on a cliff hanger, what if.....
This isn't doom it just sounds like it cause the best sounding thing to me has just got put on hold to be released at an unknown date and I have nothing to look forward to with GR.
Well, poo.
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ya know, usually it either has to be funny or relevant to be a zing, whether you think cov has had sufficient content or not, it has continually had content, powers, and archetypes added since launch, so stick to calculus, and leave the comedy to the pros.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
You mean like City of Villains? ZING
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as for the news, nether and i are in agreement, you make an impression once, better to make it a better one.
while i don't understand a single thing said in this thread...
i aprove of it being held back to be improved...
whatever they are talking about 
I was looking forward to seeing the Incarnate system, but if the general consensus of the beta testers is that it's not up to scratch then I'd rather they take it back to the shop. Besides, I'd rather wait for the complete system to be released and not just a tease.
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Not likely. I'm supposed to be in both the other tiers for the loyalty program and the pre-purchase.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
With just over amonth to launch, I think it's probably gone a bit past that stage by now
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Disappointing as it is that the path to Incarnates will no longer be released with GR, it's still something to look forward to soon(tm) once all the kinks are worked out.
I presume this also means that the GR expansion *possibly* won't be required in order to access the incarnate system when it does come out, so this delay could be a good thing for everyone instead of just a bad thing for some.
That said, the Incarnate system was one of the main selling points of GR for me, mostly because I want my 50s to do something other than collect dust... and they collect dust because they can't really do anything that I can't do from 1-49... from 1-49 I can get stronger, I feel as though I'm going somewhere...
Once you're 50 there's nowhere to go short of grinding the same stuff over & over to get IOs... (if you don't already have them by then)... which gets progressively easier as you go. I was looking forward to the Incarnate system in GR to start changing that... but, I concede to the point that it's not WAI yet.
At the very least I guess the delay will give me time to get my Electric Control Dominator to 50 (after GR comes out, of course ) so he can become an incarnate too.
I can haz moar GR info nao? ... I think I need it after this announcement
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Snow_Globe already provided a link. Also, this announcement is that it is NOT being included. What would be the point in even making such an announcement if they didn't state otherwise? Admittedly, they did announce that just a preview and just the first part of 10 would be included and now that first part is not included. Also, one needs to buy Going Rogue to have access to the Incarnate System. |
Originally Posted by je_saist
Okay. Show where the Incarnate system was explained as being included with Going Rogue?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
And they didn't live up to their word previously?
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"Another major addition to the shared City game world is base-building. Groups of characters can pool their funds to buy a headquarters building, which can be developed with useful technology and defensive armaments. This base is where villains and heroes keep their collected crystals -- valuable items that bestow bonuses on all group members. The danger of owning crystals is that they are so powerful, enemy groups may stage raids on the base to capture them. In addition to base raids, heroes and villains can also battle one another in the games' three cross-over PvP arenas."
Base Raids. Items of Power. City of Villains is going to be SO awesome when those features come out.
So basically GR won't feature the Incarnate system because you've decided whatever system Posi came up with isn't up to scratch a month before it was supposed to go live? Ooops.*
Think I'll leave GR for a few months so, more chances to do levels 1-20 with yet more alts really doesn't grab me personally. I'm all alted out.
That is lame.
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Originally Posted by BigMoneyHustla
So .... let me get this straight ...
You're shelving a whole system based on what people are saying about seeing 1/10th of it ? How do the other 9/10ths affect the 1st/10th ?? I want to know whether testers are only seeing mediocre results because they aren't experiencing/can't experience the full incarnate system yet. |
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
So basically GR won't feature the Incarnate system because you've decided whatever system Posi came up with isn't up to scratch a month before it was supposed to go live? Ooops.*
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Disappointing, but better they remove the one feature and keep working on it than release it broken or delay GR itself until it is fixed.
"Life is what happens when you are making other plans"
Urgh, great. The only thing I was interested in with Going Rogue has been delayed, wish I hadn't preordered now.
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these. It might have been."
You're shelving a whole system based on what people are saying about seeing 1/10th of it ?
How do the other 9/10ths affect the 1st/10th ??
I want to know whether testers are only seeing mediocre results because they aren't experiencing/can't experience the full incarnate system yet.
@Golden Girl
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