Why is the MA Booster Pack such poor quality?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-12-02 21:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Go for it. Personally I think this is the best booster yet, but to each their own.
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I don't think the content in itself is neccersarily bad, it's just unpolished (and to me personally, not to my taste). The Ninja Run power was too useful to pass up for myself, however, because running slowly at low levels irks me like no other.
I can't wait for the Mutant booster pack though. Mutation is my favorite origin. 
Like any s/w patch the MA booster pack has its issues, but still it's an ok release. Clipping issues can get on one's nerves. Hopefully Sexy J and his crew are on the job and have a fix in the works to resolve some of those things.
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Yup suck is so irrevocable that you were definitely being ripped off. You should sue.|
Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done. Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame) |
Pay no attention to the several fixes that have been put out in the last couple patches, and the posts addressing costume issues that say more fixes are on the way. That's completely irrelevant to your point.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Yup suck is so irrevocable that you were definitely being ripped off. You should sue.
Pay no attention to the several fixes that have been put out in the last couple patches, and the posts addressing costume issues that say more fixes are on the way. That's completely irrelevant to your point. |
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Funny, 'cause he was kinda trying to point out that your own post was a little inflammatory. 'S your ePeen, though, so do what you will with it.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Childish response gets /ignore.
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Truthful response gets /applause.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Yup suck is so irrevocable that you were definitely being ripped off. You should sue.
Pay no attention to the several fixes that have been put out in the last couple patches, and the posts addressing costume issues that say more fixes are on the way. That's completely irrelevant to your point. |
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This. The funny thing is my favorite origin is Tech but for me the Tech booster is the least interesting. I don't hugely care for robot characters and the self destruction power is pretty much useless except in the sewers. Ninja Run on the other hand is extremely useful.
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Originally Posted by Street_Wolf
I don't think the content in itself is neccersarily bad, it's just unpolished (and to me personally, not to my taste). The Ninja Run power was too useful to pass up for myself, however, because running slowly at low levels irks me like no other.
I can't wait for the Mutant booster pack though. Mutation is my favorite origin. |
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Do childish yet incredibly true responses get ignored too? Because Lemur was totally right.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Childish response gets /ignore.
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Oh, it's useful elsewhere. I use it to avoid debt, to hopefully kill off guys who are going to kill me anyway*, to halfway recharge my health and endurance at low levels in the middle of a fight ( Destruct + the temp self rez power ), etc. And most often, as a teleport-to-hospital power.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
the self destruction power is pretty much useless except in the sewers.
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* By the way; using a defense debuff or eating a yellow greatly increases the chance of doing damage with Self Destruct. Temps/Inherents can't be damage boosted, but can be accuracy boosted.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Go for it. Personally I think this is the best booster yet, but to each their own.
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I've already been using the heck out of the new robes (fit look concepts I had for some characters *perfectly,*) the shoulder pads have made some serious improvements (as have the boots) to others, Ninja Run, of course, is exceptionally useful - it's been a great pack for me. I think the one I've gotten the least use out of so far is science, but even then, little details here and there have helped.
Still, MA and Magic are probably the ones I've used most.
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Yeah, Self Detruct is useful for debt control (not that it matters much) and I've gotten alot of use out of the various costume parts
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Oh, it's useful elsewhere. I use it to avoid debt, to hopefully kill off guys who are going to kill me anyway*, to halfway recharge my health and endurance at low levels in the middle of a fight ( Destruct + the temp self rez power ), etc. And most often, as a teleport-to-hospital power.
* By the way; using a defense debuff or eating a yellow greatly increases the chance of doing damage with Self Destruct. Temps/Inherents can't be damage boosted, but can be accuracy boosted. |
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i though the sci one was poor as that one didn't come with a power....
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Honestly, yes they would probably ban your account.|
Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame)
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I had a friend get banned because of stupid credit card problems that lead to his CC company rescinding his CoH monthly payment, and even after his bank addmitted it was THEIR mistake NCSoft would not unban his account.
(edited for clarity of who/what I was responding to)
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Instead of doing a chargeback, ask for a refund first. State that you are dissatisfied, want the code removed, and want a refund.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done. Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame) |
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OK, to point out what Lemur said, and elaborate on it, in a slightly less "childish" way:
-They're aware of sereval issues with the pack, and, like the boosters before them, are patching as they get fixes done.
-Clipping always happens. Sometimes worse than others. The policy used to be "If a costume piece isn't 90% or more clipping free in any combination, we won't release it." This upset a lot of people, and it seems that they've relaxed the policy a bit. If you don't like how the costume part clips, your options are to ignore it, find a different way of using it so it doesn't clip, or don't use it. Same goes for the free costume parts.
-It's a purchasable pack. Since the Test Server is connected to the billing server to determine what account privileges you have (boosters, vet rewards, etc), they can:1- Give everyone the pack for free, so that they have access to it on the Test Server. 2- Disconnect the Test Server from anything Live and give Test access to the pack to everyone. The Character copy tool ceases to function in this case, for the duration of the testing. Both of these options also "leak" the packs, which NCSoft seems to try to avoid. Or, 3- Do as much in-house testing as possible, then release it when it's ready, and fix any issues that crop up as quickly as possible, as they did with the Wedding Pack (veil issues), Cyborg Pack (Self Destruction issues), Valkyrie Pack (Mission Transporter issues), and the Super Science Pack (Super Tailor issues).
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I agree with the OP. Nothing in this booster screams high quality or "you should pay money for this because we put more work into it" It isn't poor quality, but it isn't "pay for it" quality. It should of just been free, because I honestly don't feel anything in it besides the power is booster worried. Same with the science pack. I feel "boosters have cool unique costume pieces" peaked at magic booster and have gone down hill since.
Kudos to those who buy it, though!
Am I the only one who's just HAPPY with this thing?
If you don't want the booster, then don't buy it. There's enough feedback for someone to decide whether or not they want to buy it.
If you bought it 'For the power' but don't like the costumes? Not your problem. To you, the power was apparently worth $10.
I love the costumes associated with this pack. I love it more than any yet, in fact. Not only for the Ninja Run and costume change emotes, but for the costumes themselves. 
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Am I the only one who's just HAPPY with this thing?
If you don't want the booster, then don't buy it. There's enough feedback for someone to decide whether or not they want to buy it. If you bought it 'For the power' but don't like the costumes? Not your problem. To you, the power was apparently worth $10. I love the costumes associated with this pack. I love it more than any yet, in fact. Not only for the Ninja Run and costume change emotes, but for the costumes themselves. |
Then again, the original poster and Toony directly also seem to miss the point of booster packs.
Booster packs are how the developers leverage additional finances to... dun dun dun... actually fund the game development. Some of the specific issues listed by the original poster are actual engine issues. At some point somebody has to pay a developer to sit down in a chair and fix the underlying code.
As I see it, the developers came up with a cool idea. They put that idea into code as quickly as they could, and they got that idea into the hands of the players as quickly as they could. Promptly after that idea landed players started asking for improvements and enhancements outside the original developmental scope. Okay, fine, the run on rifles was broken, but from a thematic point of view, I don't think I ever saw anybody from DragonBall or Naruto carrying a rifle while they were in their super-powered run / fly state.
It seems to me that the original Poster, and perhaps Toony by extension, choose to focus on the things the booster pack didn't work with, rather than the list of costumes, weapons, and other items the booster pack did work with.
Now, there is a simple way to voice your displeasure with something the game does. Don't hand out any money. Speaking for myself I refuse to buy the Valkyrie pack. I'm a little torqued off that NCSoft / Paragon Studios handed access to the game's source code to Transgaming, then promptly dusted Cedega under a rug, even though Cedega is often credited as to why Transgaming got the contract to make a Mac Port. As the story goes when CoH issued an update that broke Cedega's Win2k compatibility, a significant number of players suddenly dropped to Windows 98 mode... a far higher amount than could possibly actually be using Win98 mode to play on a regular basis. This story is technically possible since the game does record some program and driver data, but NCSoft reps generally clam up when asked if it's actually true. The read-between the lines is that is true since most reps generally give a firm yes or no for such a question, rather than a we can't talk about that line.
Anyways, to get back to my point, I'm, personally, not going to buy the Valkyrie pack until NCSoft / Paragon Studios antes up and either admits the deal was to keep the Linux gamers happy, or they decide to put Runs on Cedega on the front page, or they do something else to make up for stepping on their fans toes.
The catch is, you do have to sort of do this before hand. So I'm not sure if the original poster can actually get a refund. I wouldn't... try a charge back. That tends to grate on NCSoft's accountants, and they might not be willing to... deal. I'd approach from the aspect of a refund first, although I'm doubtful if the Booster Packs come with a money back if your not satisfied disclaimer. I don't see a money back statement, nor a statement that are sales are final on the booster pack's order page or the Store Site itself.
I am, however, stepping around the, well, elephant in the thread. Going back to the point of Booster Pack's again. I have little doubt that the funds derived from the Natural booster pack paid for a developer to sit in a chair and fix the problems specifically with the Natural Pack. I also have little doubt that some of the fixes will propagate back into other costumes or parts of the game, and that the developers will have gained a bit more experience and be more capable to do other tasks on their own.
Given when goes on behind the scenes, in being able to pay for development, and being able to afford to train developers, I'm really hard-pressed to say that the Natural Pack didn't deliver $10 worth of future entertainment.
The OP has a point. This booster does seem rushed and incomplete compared to the others. Why are you guys throwing mud on someone who is dissatisfied with a purchase?
I love the Ninja Run, and the costume concepts. But, as soon as you start mixing a matching, you notice some horrid clipping. This has not happened with any of the other paid for boosters. Pieces released for free are one thing, but things that carry an additional charge should be held to a higher standard in my opinion.
Seriously, they should have waited or beta tested this one first.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame)
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A charge back from a card will likely get your account locked for fraudulent activity.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done. Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame) |
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That's just crazy talk.
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
I got an idea ask NC.
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Originally Posted by Jetpack
That's just crazy talk.
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Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done.
Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame)