Lemur Lad
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Parsing corporate speak is a fool's errand. Don't put too much thought into it.
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Quote:At best you'd crash one zone. Trust me, done it before (not specifically PD, and not in a specific attempt by players to cause a crash, but yes players in a full zone using their powers)Originally Posted by Rabid_M
If we can get an actual countdown for the last minute or so...
I'd like to get everyone in Virtue into Pocket D. And at the 30 second mark, have EVERYONE hit Self Destruct, or the biggest powers they have. I want to crash the zone, and maybe the server.
If the server must go down, I'd like it to be by our hands, close enough to the end that they don't bother to restart it. So that we, in some small way, never face that end. -
There have been a lot of things I've suggested that made it into the game either directly or indirectly. Since there were far more I suggested that never saw the light of day, and since I was never doing it for credit in the first place, I've largely forgotten what they were.
I'll take credit for originally suggesting the brain jar and bubble helmet though. Way back in Sexy Jay's original costume request thread. -
Quote:It doesn't mean they were willing to sell it. It means they were willing to name a price. It's quite common to name a ridiculously high price for something you don't really want to sell, just so you can say you acted in good faith.Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Which also means that they were willing to sell Auto Assault. I don't believe we have numbers, so we don't know if Netdevil (IIRC, that was the studio) was trying to buy it for crap, or NCSoft was having a Dr. Evil moment (not the time the UN laughed at time, the other time).
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As of today, I would not start over totally from scratch. The game continuing in any form is a long shot at best, and if somehow it works out that it does but we need to start over, then whoever ends up running it would have to convince me they were in it for the long haul before I would change my mind.
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1. Is Sister Psyche really dead, or could she eventually reincorporate if she found a new body?
1a. Was Manticore going to eventually become a villain?
1b. Was Scirocco eventually going to become a hero?
2. Was there ever going to be redemption for Hero1 and the Rikti?
3. How did Hamidon really get from the Hive to the Abyss?
4. Where there ever any even slightly serious discussions about more Villain only zones? Possibly villains annexing one or more Shadow Shard zones? -
I'm proud to say I have gotten to team with Bill a couple times over the years. Never enough.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
that clown was completely full of it when he posted here, I doubt he's changed his spots.
Nethergoat, remember how once I said the fact we agreed on something was a sign of the end of the world?
*looks around* Yeah, that. -
Love you Bill, even if you made me pull my hair out during that phase when you were annoyed with the game. You're a good man.
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Quote:I didn't trust or accept most of UnSub's reasoning when he was playing and posting here, I'm not going to start now. Sure he played for 5years, but he was a consistent Debbie Downer for at least 3 and a half of those, and has made it clear he's had an axe to grind in his blog ever since.Originally Posted by Ghostmaker
I don't know if this has been posted, but I found this:
http://unsubject.wordpress.com/2012/...e-world-event/
It's bitter, and unpleasant... and most likely why Paragon and Co* got the axe. Sigh. -
Quote:They have also repeatedly shown the desire for money. I don't fully discount anyone whose main goal is going after more of that.Originally Posted by Tyrannicus
If by small you mean nonexistent as NCsoft has repeatedly shown next to no involvement in the game and would likely be unable to recognize anyone from the game save for Statesman and Lord Recluse themselves.
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Anyone giving serious thought to using their characters in a commercial venture of their own someday should still give some thought to deleting them. As long as they exist in the game's storage, they're owned by NCSoft, even if the game is no longer active.
It may be unlikely, but they could sue people who use their character names and likenesses again. If all rescue efforts fail, that is.
I only say this to creative types serious about reusing the ideas they came up with here in their future career. Once the game goes down, your chance to delete them will be gone, and everything is still up in the air as to whether it will be deleted.
It's something you will have to think about. I fully realize the chances of them seeing something that may look a bit too much like a CoH character and diving into archived characters to find it, then suing the artist using it is slim to none. Then again, I expect a lot of comic artists never expected to have trouble with their former publishers when it came to rights to their creations.
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Quote:You're damn right I'm spiteful. Just like people are mad at NCSoft for killing CoH, I was mad at SoE for killing the SWG I loved. And I don't know how many times I have to say this, the fact that they have the money does not make them trustworthy stewards of the franchise.Originally Posted by Paladiamors
So people aren't allowed to be hopeful that a beloved MMO might be saved? Right. Makes perfect sense.
What happened to the devs is terrible. But that wasn't SoE what done it to them. And I don't think we should feel guilty about being hopeful about the prospect of at least getting the game itself back. I think this is just sheer spite talking.
People here seem willing to give up their existing characters, the (up until Friday) existing dev team, and whatever else they have to just to not lose their toy. I maintain that once you're bargaining and giving things up, you've lost, and this game WON'T BE COH ANY MORE.
It's not wrong for people to be doubtful and scornful of the idea that a rumored saving angel isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
Be hopeful all you want, but a simple fact of life is every party has to end, and sometimes it's a lot better to make a graceful exit even if you want to stay, than to try and stay and end up in a situation you will probably regret even more. -
Quote:That actually doesn't happen in as many games as you'd think. Additionally, it is only done when doing so would mean a significant savings in maintenance costs.Originally Posted by Talionis
Most games that die, so signs of weakening, they reduce staff, they reduce the number of servers. I was actually getting excited for the new sets that have been in production. I really get the feeling that this is news to most of the staff.
Any chance this is a precursor to COH2?
This game isn't being killed because it was unprofitable. It is being killed because NCSoft is an example of a company that always goes for the next shiny, and because they've done that too many times, they feel they have to sacrifice an old game that was actually making money for them.
If there was going to be a COH2, they wouldn't have dissolved Paragon Studios. -
Arcana, you are cool beyond words.
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Quote:She played on Pinnacle.Originally Posted by Wulfie
writer Mercedes Lackey has mentioned the closing of CoH on her facebook.
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Quote:NoOriginally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Here's a question to ponder:
If SOE gets their hands on the game, but decides to ditch every single developer that has worked on the game - do we still consider this a good thing?
We agree.Quote:Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
So we've established that you folks don't actually care about the developers of the game - it really comes down to you getting your CoH fix. Evidence: My question elicited responses of "ONOZ THEY MIGHT CHANGE THINGS", not "That'd be freakin' BS! Those poor devs!"
So much for the sense of community. -
No worries tex, most people feel this way after running a TF with me.
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This is one of those times I agree with TonyV. It doesn't happen often, mark it down.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
The failing of this game wasn't Paragon's doing.
It was NC Soft's. If NC Soft actually put money behind the only successful MMO IP in the US it managed to stumble upon, instead of blowing hundreds of thousands on wasted ads and publicity stunts for shovelware like Auto Assault, we might have been in a different place.
If NC Soft had even a semblance of a marketing department, we would have seen them try to capitalize on every major mainstream superhero breakthrough of the last decade. Ads during Heroes and Smallville. Demo discs and posters in comic shops. A push with more comic companies to feature their characters in the game for cross promotion.
Instead, they did jack and squat. They sat there with their thumb up their *** even when given free shout outs by Big Bang Theory.I played AA. It was... not good. Yes, it had the potential to be good, but at launch and the first few months after, it was a hot mess. They were on something like their 3rd or 4th design for crafting and it was still bad. The physics was iffy on a good day. Leveling was more confusing and frustrating than I've seen. PvE balance was nearly nonexistent, you either won easily or died. For a game that was supposed to be about driving, there was a lot of see sawing back and forth, or sitting still and firing, but next to no tactical driving.Quote:Originally Posted by Paladiamors
Y'know, I get your ire, but Auto Assault was far from shovelware. Might wanna get your knickers out of a bunch and stop putting blame on the wrong games, my friend.
Taser's point (which I agree with) is NCSoft had a long history of overhyping their NA games then killing them if they didn't live up, and ignoring the games that were doing well and could have done better with some clear indicators in the broad market that they were viable and popular.
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Quote:Telling you to put some thought into what you say and do and focus your attention on things that might actually work, is not the same as not helping you. It IS helping you, it just happens to be telling you to stop doing what you're doing while you're flailing.Originally Posted by Mike Dynamo
now this may only be the perception from my vantage point but it seems to me like you're trying to be the voice of reason..... there is no reason here... people are upset angry and frantically trying to get someone... ANYONE to save CoX...... there is no reason only a line in the sand in which sides have been chosen.... I along with Moonfyire 101 are on the side that wants to save CoX and are trying to do all we can.... you sir or madam seem to be on the side that does not care if this game parishes.... if that isn't the case then i have merely just misunderstood your posts... but if that is in fact the case i would kindly ask you to stop shooting the messenger and step aside if you're not going to help.......
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Thank you, that made me smile on what has been a rough weekend. I don't remember it specifically, but I've done that several times.
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Quote:Imagine if at some point the CoH devs had decided to get rid of All the Archetypes except Blasters, Scrappers, and Controllers, and changed the Combat system so it was mouse aiming like a First person shooter.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
What happened at SWG that has everyone so turned against Sony, anyway?
That's what they did to SWG in a nutshell. 1/4 of the classes left, and a totally new and untried combat system completely the opposite of what had been there before.
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Quote:It's a question of trust. It's harder to get my trust back than it is to lose it. This wouldn't do it.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Why blame them solely? Lucas Arts was at least as responsible for the NGE as SOE if not more.
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Quote:Just like any of the somewhat pie in the sky "save the game" options out there now, I have very little optimism that any purchase of the game will include the character base intact.Originally Posted by Paladiamors
Your other option is no City of Heroes. Take yer pick.
Starting over wouldn't be something I'd want to do.
I've left a game I loved and pretended it no longer existed even though it was still running until last year. I can do it again.