Why is the MA Booster Pack such poor quality?


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Go for it. Personally I think this is the best booster yet, but to each their own.
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The clipping is amusing/annoying.. but I haven't found a reason to use those particular pieces yet. For me, the ninja run and /e bringit emotes are worth it for the pack.

Just contact support and say you want a refund. They're usually fairly easy about doing so.


 

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Maybe I am getting old, but when I was growing up, Ninjas were the big thing. As a product of the 80s (born in the 70s), it is hard for me NOT to use the new options.

Now I can make a Sho Nuff character, I can do Storm Shadow, Sho Kosugi, An American Ninja, Characters from the Ninja Scrolls, and any number of other Ninja characters from my childhood. Shoot Stephen K. Hayes is now jealous of all the cool Ninja things I can do!


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I have all the packs, and I'd rate them:

1) Magic Pack. Not only does this have parts I use on almost every character, but it has a useful power included with it. I use the long gloves and bolero very frequently, and I get a lot of use out of the high collar cape.

2) Martial Arts Pack. Most of the joy of this one goes to NR. Not only is it fun and flashy, but I've respecced a high-end toon to rely on it, made a new toon who relies on it, and have already planned to rely on it for my DP toon come GR. The costume parts too are pretty good. I get use out of the shoulderpads and have used most of the others, including the swords.*

3) Bridal Pack. Oddly enough I use this one a ton. Lots of people skip it or say it has too little stuff to be worth $9.99. Heck, even I don't use the tuxedo or the veil. But the female patterns are too good to pass up, being some of the only detailed tops and bottoms you can get. Not to mention they go great with some of the other costumes, especially the Magic Pack.

4) Valkyrie Pack. I have a valkyrie character, but I find most of the new parts way too gaudy to use. I also hate the big bulbous joints. I do however get a lot of use out of the small shoulderpads, as well as the belt, sword, and in a couple instances the headwings. I occasionally get use out of the mission teleporter when the game wants me to go to Dark Astoria or Mercy.

5) Cyborg Pack. I don't have any robot or cyborg parts, so basically the ONLY use I get out of this pack is the shoulderpads and very rare use of the power, which I tend to use more as a travel power than anything else. I think I've used the belt once or twice, and I may have used some other parts for AE units. But very sparingly.

6) Mad Scientist Pack. The ONLY use I've gotten out of this is occasional use of the scale changes. I don't even use it dramatically; I don't play male toons, and going from female to huge is just too weird (especially cause of the voice). I've only used it to make my scales more uniform. And I've never once used a single costume part. They're all too bland, and there aren't even that many of them.

* = I do have a couple qualms about the Martial Arts pack. The shoulderpads I like to use clip with THEMSELVES, and the belt is only usable with robes. There's also currently a female skin texture bug with the tai gloves I want to use. Jay and crew are supposedly working on these issues and some others, so once those are fixed I'll be quite happy.

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Originally Posted by Vega View Post
I love the Ninja Run, and the costume concepts. But, as soon as you start mixing a matching, you notice some horrid clipping. This has not happened with any of the other paid for boosters. Pieces released for free are one thing, but things that carry an additional charge should be held to a higher standard in my opinion.
It hasn't happened with other boosters?

The bolero fur clips with any long hair style. The sleeves clip with any non-standard glove style, including the witch wing gloves provided in the same pack. The long gloves will clip with the player's exposed elbow, which can be somewhat alleviated by having a tight or top w/skin top that extends to the elbow. The high collar cape will clip with just about ANY shoulder option available. And there were other problems before, like the bolero+cape/bolero+wings issue that was not only causing huge clipping but also concerns with processing requirements. That was on release, but later fixed.

And the few major issues there are with the Martial Arts pack are still being looked at, so it's not as if they don't care and don't intend to change them because "ha ha you already paid!"


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Only two I have are Magic and MA.

With Magic I was full of oohs and ahs, MA left me feeling a little underwhelmed. The costume additions didn't do much for me. If it weren't for Ninja run, I'd have been very disappointed.


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I have all the packs, and I'd rate them:
I don't. I skipped the wedding pack but have all others

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1) Magic Pack. Not only does this have parts I use on almost every character, but it has a useful power included with it. I use the long gloves and bolero very frequently, and I get a lot of use out of the high collar cape.
Agreed this is a nice pack. The clipping that happens with these costume pieces actually looks cool. My only regret is that I didn't grab my bat wings soon enough, and I miss the double cape.

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2) Martial Arts Pack. Most of the joy of this one goes to NR. Not only is it fun and flashy, but I've respecced a high-end toon to rely on it, made a new toon who relies on it, and have already planned to rely on it for my DP toon come GR. The costume parts too are pretty good. I get use out of the shoulderpads and have used most of the others, including the swords.*
The clipping on this pack really should not have happened, All it would have taken is ONE character made with sleeveless robes to see how your chest emblem gets eaten by the robe, and the shoulder pads meant to go with the robe are in between the fibers of the sleeve in some places on top in others, and below in others. When you color the robe the Trim color matches nothing else in game, because it blends with the main color unless you select "fire". The shoulder area of the sleeveless robe is sitting higher than that of the sleeved robe (which causes the clipping) and the Tee Shirt area is out of whack. If you really look at it, you will see where there is a section that is backward.

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3) Bridal Pack. Oddly enough I use this one a ton. Lots of people skip it or say it has too little stuff to be worth $9.99. Heck, even I don't use the tuxedo or the veil. But the female patterns are too good to pass up, being some of the only detailed tops and bottoms you can get. Not to mention they go great with some of the other costumes, especially the Magic Pack.
no comment, don't have it.

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4) Valkyrie Pack. I have a valkyrie character, but I find most of the new parts way too gaudy to use. I also hate the big bulbous joints. I do however get a lot of use out of the small shoulderpads, as well as the belt, sword, and in a couple instances the headwings. I occasionally get use out of the mission teleporter when the game wants me to go to Dark Astoria or Mercy.
In my opinion the best pack released. The costume pieces blend well with others there is no real bad clipping, and the power is useful. The fact that the shoulder pads are ugly as sin is another story

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5) Cyborg Pack. I don't have any robot or cyborg parts, so basically the ONLY use I get out of this pack is the shoulderpads and very rare use of the power, which I tend to use more as a travel power than anything else. I think I've used the belt once or twice, and I may have used some other parts for AE units. But very sparingly.
Love this one too(my characters are mostly Tech Origin). No clipping, parts blend well with other pieces, useful power.

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6) Mad Scientist Pack. The ONLY use I've gotten out of this is occasional use of the scale changes. I don't even use it dramatically; I don't play male toons, and going from female to huge is just too weird (especially cause of the voice). I've only used it to make my scales more uniform. And I've never once used a single costume part. They're all too bland, and there aren't even that many of them.
This one is Okay. I use it mostly for the goggles.

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It hasn't happened with other boosters?
Not like this. Especially when you add in the broken wristed run animations (that have been fixed). That does not mean that it is acceptable to everyone. All I am saying is that the quality of the Ninja Booster is lower than that of the others. I still bought it, am happy with it, and will use what I can that doesn't get me frustrated.

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And the few major issues there are with the Martial Arts pack are still being looked at, so it's not as if they don't care and don't intend to change them because "ha ha you already paid!"
I am fine with waiting for it to be fixed because I have confidence that they will. I have my costume saved so that when/if Jay gets around to fixing it(so busy with GR and all), that I can load it up recolor and go.

I still think that this pack could have waited for release though.



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Only two I have are Magic and MA.

With Magic I was full of oohs and ahs, MA left me feeling a little underwhelmed. The costume additions didn't do much for me. If it weren't for Ninja run, I'd have been very disappointed.
I have them all.

I've felt good enough about the stuff that I got in each of the packs that I simply have plunked down the cash for the next one as soon as they came out.

Are they PERFECT on release? Heck no! Discovered that one of the robes clips your arms if you've got your arms straight up. Oh well. I don't honestly expect them to be perfect on release. Too many years of dealing with the horrors of Microsoft software.

What they DO is provide me with more choice when working on a costume.

The additional power is just gravy (especially Ninja Run and Mission TP, those, all by themselves, are worth the $10).



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The clipping on this pack really should not have happened, All it would have taken is ONE character made with sleeveless robes to see how your chest emblem gets eaten by the robe, and the shoulder pads meant to go with the robe are in between the fibers of the sleeve in some places on top in others, and below in others. When you color the robe the Trim color matches nothing else in game, because it blends with the main color unless you select "fire"...
Agreed there. I've only used a few bits form this pack (one of the boot options and I think a helmet) because, when I tried to use the robe, my character looked as though she'd been attacked by moths every time she shifted. Random patches of skin would poke through her clothes, strange slot clipping, etc. It wasn't just "Can't use the long hair with the cape" but "Your naked arms will poke out through the sides of your sleeves".

I trust they'll get it fixed (hope so) but I can't say it wasn't a disappointment to put costumes together and realize they looked ridiculous on a technical level. If I'm going to look ridiculous, it should be because of my poor fashion sense.


 

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Sexy J can't win. If he holds onto costume pieces until they meet his exceptionally high standards, everyone B*****s, moans, and whines that he isn't putting new costume pieces out fast enough. I can't count the times I've seen people say that clipping issues won't bother them, they just want "Moar stuff nao!"

Now as soon as he relents and gives us what we are constantly demanding for, people turn on him like a pack of rabid ankle-biting lap-dogs and complain about the trivial clipping issues.


 

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He can if he adds animated hair
Can it be animated armpit hair for those charcater concepts based on european women, or those american bred all natural hippy chicks?


 

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I'd rather clipping issues with some comboniations and getting more options than no clipping pronlems and less costume pieces.

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Now as soon as he relents and gives us what we are constantly demanding for, people turn on him like a pack of rabid ankle-biting lap-dogs and complain about the trivial clipping issues.
Darn consumers, having an opinion about the things they purchase and all

Welcome to dealing with the public and stuff. There's a balance between getting it done quickly and getting it done right. Personally, I think the Magic booster hit that balance. The MA booster, not so much. Can't say I feel too bad for saying so.


 

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Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.

I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done.

Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame)


I've gotten them all and think they were well worth it. Since you can check what's in the pack before you buy it, and can even see everything in action, if you don't insist on being the first, then I doubt that you'd be able to get a refund.

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Can it be animated armpit hair for those charcater concepts based on european women, or those american bred all natural hippy chicks?
Please God, no!

No no no no no no no!



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Originally Posted by Zyphoid View Post
Now I can make a Sho Nuff character, I can do Storm Shadow, Sho Kosugi, An American Ninja, Characters from the Ninja Scrolls, and any number of other Ninja characters from my childhood. Shoot Stephen K. Hayes is now jealous of all the cool Ninja things I can do!
Makes me wanna make Bruce Leroy.


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Yup suck is so irrevocable that you were definitely being ripped off. You should sue.

Pay no attention to the several fixes that have been put out in the last couple patches, and the posts addressing costume issues that say more fixes are on the way. That's completely irrelevant to your point.
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Makes me wanna make Bruce Leroy.
Ma/WP was perfect when I did it. Now with PC, just about any secondary can be the Golden Glow. Hehehe you could do ShoNuff as an SS/Inv Brute


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Darn consumers, having an opinion about the things they purchase and all

Welcome to dealing with the public and stuff. There's a balance between getting it done quickly and getting it done right. Personally, I think the Magic booster hit that balance. The MA booster, not so much. Can't say I feel too bad for saying so.
If it were up to me there would be no balance. I'd force them to always go with getting it right.

Ofcourse we'd have only ONE MASSIVE issue per year.

Luckily, it's not up to me.


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The Ninja Run is new technology, no doubt a preview for various character customization we'll get with Going Rogue. They are probably using this to work the bugs out of the stuff before next launch.


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Oh, it's useful elsewhere. I use it to avoid debt, to hopefully kill off guys who are going to kill me anyway*, to halfway recharge my health and endurance at low levels in the middle of a fight ( Destruct + the temp self rez power ), etc. And most often, as a teleport-to-hospital power.

* By the way; using a defense debuff or eating a yellow greatly increases the chance of doing damage with Self Destruct. Temps/Inherents can't be damage boosted, but can be accuracy boosted.
Same here, and Self Destruct came in handy during an RP scene the other night, when someone made an offhanded comment along the lines of "You might want to step back, he may explode." and you could of seen the lightbulb going off over my head. I don't get as much use out of either as I do with the SuperTailor though.

And Ninja Run is nifty in lower levels, and even better since I discovered that NR speeds up Prestige Power Slide but you keep the PPS animation. And it's also nice for at least a giggle or two to see NR on some of the more non-Ninja characters.

After playing around with some new alts, I'd probably place the Warrior/Tai costume pieces as on par with my previous favorites in the Magic pack


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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace View Post
Between the clipping issues (Warrior shoulder pads, female hairstyle on "youthful heads, etc.) the unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, etc. I really feel like I didn't get my money's worth.

I have no problem buying the bosters, and I felt the other ones were ok, but this just seems rushed out and poorly done.

Are refunds available on booster packs? Will NC cancel my account if I chargeback my purchase? (I have a card that will let me charge back nearly anything within a certain time frame)
I'd highly recommend contacting customer support before doing a chargeback. I believe that we end up getting dinged with those charges and best case, it would cause your card to be flagged as invalid...leaving you to scramble around for another method of paying your subscription fee. Worst case, your entire PlayNC account would be flagged and banned. I'm not sure what OPs policy is about chargebacks, but it's in your best interest to contact them and find out if that's really the route you have to take.

As for the quality or unfinished weapon animations for Ninja Run, which would you be referring to? I'm sorry you don't feel this is content is worth the cost of a couple of fast food meals, but even though it may not be apparent to you the new travel power alone was a tremendous amount of time and work for us.

Booster packs are always problematic, because they don't get to go through the same testing period on the training room before they're enabled on the live servers. So we end up having to do fixes for bugs we didn't catch, and a lot of fixes for bugs we did catch don't have time to get into the builds before they end up on live. We have tried to address the bugs with it as quickly as we possibly could, and if you guys can continue to give us specific feedback about remaining issues, it's a lot easier for us to address those things than it is to 'fix a bunch of stuff that's messed up'


 

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We have tried to address the bugs with it as quickly as we possibly could. Booster packs are always problematic, because they don't get to go through the same testing period on the training room before they're enabled on the live servers. So we end up having to do fixes for bugs we didn't catch, and a lot of fixes for bugs we did catch don't have time to get into the builds before they end up on live.
So the things that subscribers pay for go through less quality control than the things subscribers get for free? Doesn't that seem backwards to you?

OP: I believe doing a charge-back from your credit card can get your entire account banned until things get straightened out by customer service. I'd recommend you call/email them about your level of satisfaction well before you contact your credit card company.

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Too bad /ignore doesn't block quoted posts from people you /ignore.
Well, he already read it once. Clearly that was enough - it's not like quoting it back to him
is providing any new information, unless you mean to say your intention is to purposely
circumvent board mechanics to harrass him?

Or you're threatening to stalk him around the boards and quote every single post of
lemur's back to him. Which would be at-once supremely funny, yet supremely pathetic
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So the things that subscribers pay for go through less quality control than the things subscribers get for free?
That's not precisely what BaB said. He said that booster packs don't go through the same testing period on the Training Room server before being released.

The Training Room is more of a production testing environment designed mainly to ferret out the less obvious bugs or hidden regressions and get player feedback. This has no reflection on their internal quality control or testing processes as all of that would be completed as per normal procedure prior to release to the Training Room test server.


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