Why is the MA Booster Pack such poor quality?
So far I've found the MA booster one of the more useful. That ninja running/leaping alone is worth the price of admission (and that flip in the air rules with an iron fist in a velvet glove).
Regarding the aforementioned Self-Destruct, I use it all the time, if for no other reason than to thumb my nose at the villain who is about to faceplant me.
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Amen. Same here... made a male character and figured I'd go slightly shorter than the real life average. You know, the stocky bulldog look. Instead, at 5'6", I look like a friggin' dwarf running around the city. Civilians tower over me and the guys in Council are over 7' tall!
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I happen to love what I've gotten from each of the Booster Packs.
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I bought both of the Magic pack and the Cyborg pack at the same time... and regretted it within the hour. I played with the costume change emotes for a few minutes, (FINALLY) gave some of my magic and tech origin toons costumes that looked the part, and then thought, "$40 bucks for this? SERIOUSLY?!?!?" I really can't understand how you guys keep eating this stuff up. It makes me ANGRY every time they release a new booster pack.
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There are a lot of REAL ideas floating around the forums about how to improve the game, but as I read them, they're mostly the same ideas that people have been tossing around since I started playing. Here's a clue: the dev's aren't listening. Creating REAL content is costly and requires creativity, and NC Soft seems unwilling to expend either. They're happy to keep selling you the almost nothing that comes in these booster packs, since the players seem happy to continue forking over money for it. It's a giant snow job.
This article about i13 highlights everything that was, and remains, wrong with the game:
http://www.brighthub.com/video-games...cles/5691.aspx
It's on the money, and nothing has really changed in years. Time to unsub I guess, which saddens me because this game was a great idea that gets so much right, but in the end suffers from a lack of anything fun to DO. I had hopes that the new expansion will improve things enough to make it worth hanging on, but it turns out I can't wait that long. Another $15/mo to clear the same warehouses as my new toons continue to run the same boring mishes I was doing 2 years ago? None for me, thanks. Fix THAT, and maybe that's worth $20.
Right: like the fact that this pittance of new content was not handed out to everyone who's already paying $15/mo. to play this game?
There are a lot of REAL ideas floating around the forums about how to improve the game, but as I read them, they're mostly the same ideas that people have been tossing around since I started playing. Here's a clue: the dev's aren't listening. Creating REAL content is costly and requires creativity, and NC Soft seems unwilling to expend either. They're happy to keep selling you the almost nothing that comes in these booster packs, since the players seem happy to continue forking over money for it. It's a giant snow job. This article about i13 highlights everything that was, and remains, wrong with the game: http://www.brighthub.com/video-games...cles/5691.aspx |
The article is written in a rather negative light. It sounds like it's written by someone who's in the same state as you, which is to say on the verge of quitting but wants to talk about why they're quitting.
Also, I could easily disagree with almost every point they make. If I did this would make for a very long post, of course. However, it's worth noting that I disagree that AE was the devs "giving up" on making new content (considering Praetoria is right around the corner?).
I also disagree that there's a lack of things to do at 50, considering you can literally do any content in the entire game at 50. And just like in competing games like WoW and the like, we have a crafting and bonus system that allows us to work our characters up to more powerful levels. There is a ton of 45-50 content, with a bunch of 35-50 content as well, plus some high-end content like Hamidon and Mothership raids. When people say there's nothing to do at 50, all I can imagine is that they expect there to be 500,000 level 50-only missions waiting for them, in some alternate dimension where none of the other millions of things you can do (any TF in the game, GMs, every story arc in the game, AE, PvP, invention system, badges) count.
Also, you're reaching into a dangerous territory. The devs are releasing things that people like and want. People wanted power customization, so we got it. They wanted to make their own missions, so we got it. We want to side-switch, so they're giving us that. We wanted shields, and dual pistols, demon summoning, willpower, Stalkers and Doms to be more useful, more TFs (i15). People like the booster packs, or the devs wouldn't still be making them. It's not a one-sided diabolical plan where the devs release pay content and then money is generated out of thin air. If nobody wanted the stuff, the devs wouldn't still be making it.
What you're essentially saying is that the devs should stop making things that people want, and focus on the stuff that you think the game needs regardless of whether it would make anyone (besides you) happy. The last guy who tried that was named Jack, and people didn't like him very much.
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I bought both of the Magic pack and the Cyborg pack at the same time... and regretted it within the hour. I played with the costume change emotes for a few minutes, (FINALLY) gave some of my magic and tech origin toons costumes that looked the part, and then thought, "$40 bucks for this? SERIOUSLY?!?!?" I really can't understand how you guys keep eating this stuff up. It makes me ANGRY every time they release a new booster pack.
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And, as I said in another thread, if you're actually getting ANGRY about something that doesn't directly affect you, you need to take a step back and get a grip. Why in hell would you be getting angry when Paragon Studios releases a booster pack? Good lord, man, just don't buy it.
There are a lot of REAL ideas floating around the forums about how to improve the game, but as I read them, they're mostly the same ideas that people have been tossing around since I started playing. Here's a clue: the dev's aren't listening. Creating REAL content is costly and requires creativity, and NC Soft seems unwilling to expend either. |
They're happy to keep selling you the almost nothing that comes in these booster packs, since the players seem happy to continue forking over money for it. It's a giant snow job. |
This article about i13 highlights everything that was, and remains, wrong with the game: http://www.brighthub.com/video-games...cles/5691.aspx It's on the money, and nothing has really changed in years. Time to unsub I guess, which saddens me because this game was a great idea that gets so much right, but in the end suffers from a lack of anything fun to DO. |
Anyway, if it's time to go, it's time to go. No game is going to appeal to everyone. If you really aren't enjoying this one, then stop spending your money on it.
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The entire game, NEW, cost what, $60? |
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I bought both of the Magic pack and the Cyborg pack at the same time... and regretted it within the hour. I played with the costume change emotes for a few minutes, (FINALLY) gave some of my magic and tech origin toons costumes that looked the part, and then thought, "$40 bucks for this? SERIOUSLY?!?!?" |
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We are given ample opportunity to see exactly what we will be getting with our purchase. If you chose to buy a product without checking it out first to see what you'd be getting then the only person you have to blame is yourself.
It seems to me that the biggest problem you are having with the game lies between the chair you are sitting in and the keyboard of your computer, and that is something no one here on the forums or at NCSoft can fix.
We are given ample opportunity to see exactly what we will be getting with our purchase. If you chose to buy a product without checking it out first to see what you'd be getting then the only person you have to blame is yourself.
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Not even close. Try . . .
![]() The boosters cost $9.99 each, and no matter how you do the math it doesn't add up to $40. bucks. Furthermore each booster advertisement at the NCSoft store clearly tells you exactly what you'll be getting along with pictures and short videos so you can see what the emotes and powers look like. |
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Quickie net search shows CA residents pay 9.75 tax.
So if "Whole game" includes initial purchase and 4 boosters you are looking at $65.80.
Let's look at what is actually "needed" to get the "full" game.
Good vs Evil Edition
Jump Pack power
Pocket "D" ViP power
Costume pieces
Free month value $14.99
Actual cost after adding in the free month $5.00
Mac Special Edition
Mission Teleport power
Valkyrie Costume set
Valkyrie cape available at level 1
Free month value $14.99
Actual cost after adding in the free month $5.00
Mission Architect Edition
Free month value $14.99
consumer can choose between getting the cyborg pack or the magic pack for free. Value $9.99
Actual cost after adding in the free month and free booster -$5.00 credit to the customers account.
Since 1 booster pack comes free with the MA Edition (We'll say the customer chose the Cyborg pack) that only leaves 3 boosters and the Wedding pack.
At $9.99 each the total Booster cost comes to $39.96
So we have
$5.00
$5.00
-$5.00
39.96
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$44.96
CA Tax 9.75
$54.71
Now all that is assuming that the customer buys the products right from the NCSoft Store. Many players got their games from frugal shopping at stores like Big Lots and online at Amazon.
For Example today at Amazon a customer can buy
GvE $2.37
Architect $5.00
Original CoH $2.11
Original CoV $.60
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That's $10.08
They'd have to buy the Mac Edition so that's $19.99
The remaining Boosters come to $39.96
Each edition comes with the free month so that's $74.95 that gets credited to their account.
And the Architect gets the free booster for another $9.99 free
So the total outlay for the game would be
$10.08
$19.99
$39.96
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70.03
-84.94 in freebies
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-14.91
Shipping & handling and Tax not included.
Yeah that's so close to $60. bucks.
I havn't Seen anything wrong with these Booster pack yet,they do make the game funner and add more to the game.So far i don't think any booster pack where bad at all,I can't wait for the Muntant booster pack to come out now.
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Here's the thing:The article is written in a rather negative light.
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Also, I could easily disagree with almost every point they make. |
However, it's worth noting that I disagree that AE was the devs "giving up" on making new content (considering Praetoria is right around the corner?). |
The author's point is that, for a lot of people who've been playing for a while, the old content is quite stale, and the new content is nothing more than a repackaging of the old content. There are no new mission types. There are no new challenges. There are no new ways to make use of your powers, no new strategies or techniques to defeat particularly difficult enemies or arcs.
Given that, for people like me who have grown bored with that, there is little in the game that is interesting. One of the things, as you point out, is to play with the invention system to improve your toon to its maximum potential. Can you see the problem here? Guess what you have to do in order to do that: play boring missions. Essentially, farm.
So when AE was released, yes, it was popular... because yes, people want to level their toons fast, and they do want to IO them out with sets, and if you have nothing else to do but play stale, boring missions to get there, it takes too damn long. So AE was fantastic! For a couple of months, anyway. Then it got nerfed, and it was just like all the rest of the stale content. Not so, you say? Well, then maybe you can explain why NO ONE USES IT ANYMORE. Well, OK, not noone, but before the nerf there was barely room for you to stand in the main room... now, if you go in there, you'll be lucky to see more than a handful of people there. It's dead. The joke is, AE = Always Empty. Broadcast that you want an AE team... people will laugh at you.
I also disagree that there's a lack of things to do at 50, considering you can literally do any content in the entire game at 50. |
There is a ton of 45-50 content, with a bunch of 35-50 content as well, plus some high-end content like Hamidon and Mothership raids. |
Oh, and you mentioned PvP. Most people will agree, PvP sucks in CoH. Actually I do PvP, and it is (for me) one of the only things that's still fun about CoH. But only if I'm playing one of my melee toons... I greatly prefer to play controllers, which in PvP is teh suck. If you bring a controller, and display any skill at all (or, well, if you don't), expect to die early and often. That, simply put, just ain't fun.
The devs are releasing things that people like and want. People wanted power customization, so we got it. |
What you're essentially saying is that the devs should stop making things that people want, and focus on the stuff that you think the game needs regardless of whether it would make anyone (besides you) happy.[/quote]
It's hardly just me... If you think it's not, ask yourself why, a year ago, freedom at peak gaming times was nearly full all the time, and actually impossible to get on during events, and now never has more than one green dot on the server list screen. Ask yourself why at 9:30 PM Cimerora (some of that wonderful new content you keep raving about) has exactly 6 people in zone. Where did all the people go?
I can't say for sure, but I assume they left, looking for something interesting to do.
Entire game, with 100's of missions, hundreds of enemies, dozens of powers, emotes, costume pieces, etc.: $20
Booster pack, with a couple of emotes, costume pieces, and mostly useless (but interesting, I admit) powers: $10.
So, are you going to tell me that you honestly think the content in two booster packs (you can even choose which two!) is roughly equivalent in value to the entire original game? Not by a long shot. Let's say that the original price of the game was $60. Even then, do you seriously believe that 6 booster packs is equivalent in value to the entire original game? I really don't think so. So, what the devil are you paying for?!?!
The boosters cost $9.99 each, and no matter how you do the math it doesn't add up to $40. bucks. |
Furthermore each booster advertisement at the NCSoft store clearly tells you exactly what you'll be getting along with pictures and short videos so you can see what the emotes and powers look like. |
The highlighted portion pretty much confirms that you have no idea what you are talking about. The dots represent server load not server population. The servers specifically Freedom have recieved several upgrades so that they handle load much more efficiently and now don't go into the yellow, red, or even gray like they used to.
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The highlighted portion pretty much confirms that you have no idea what you are talking about. The dots represent server load not server population. The servers specifically Freedom have recieved several upgrades so that they handle load much more efficiently and now don't go into the yellow, red, or even gray like they used to.
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Keep at it tho, we find you amusing. |
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Now THAT's trolling! (Get it? I was joking above...)
Look, there are lots of great ideas out there about how to make CoH better. I like the premise of this game, and I like a lot about the way it's implemented, but the content is stale, and I think you're all crazy for paying for marginal, minimalist content improvements when you're already paying for a subscription. If Paragon/NC stops with that nonsense, and implements some actual game play improvements like some of the great stuff being discussed in the thread about task force improvements, I'll be the first one back at the store renewing my subscription. I just don't think they have it in them.
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Yeah you're right I obviously don't play much. I'm an eccentric millionaire that gets a kick out of paying for games I don't play. In fact I'm the only customer NCSoft actually has. I own all of the accounts and I spend all my time posting on the forums under hundreds of pseudonyms. Every character you have encountered in the game are actually bots I had created to simulate other players.
Right. You don't agree with me, but you have no rational rebuttals to any of my points, so you call me a troll. I'm sure that's very satisfying for you. But after all, we're on the city of heroes forums, so you can feel self-assured in your fanboyism.
Nope, got nothing else to say. You either agree or you're clueless... continuing would just be stale and droll. a lot like playing CoH has become. ![]() Now THAT's trolling! (Get it? I was joking above...) Look, there are lots of great ideas out there about how to make CoH better. I like the premise of this game, and I like a lot about the way it's implemented, but the content is stale, and I think you're all crazy for paying for marginal, minimalist content improvements when you're already paying for a subscription. If Paragon/NC stops with that nonsense, and implements some actual game play improvements like some of the great stuff being discussed in the thread about task force improvements, I'll be the first one back at the store renewing my subscription. I just don't think they have it in them. |
Nerdrage is so amusing. Fanboyism? Classic troll response. Be careful tho, with all that foaming at the mouth your doing you might short circuit your keyboard.
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I hate to say this to you Forbin because I usually like what you have to say.... but if you play the "vet card", I think that it makes you automatically lose any discussion according to Internet Law.
I hate to say this to you Forbin because I usually like what you have to say.... but if you play the "vet card", I think that it makes you automatically lose any discussion according to Internet Law.
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At least I avoided Godwin's Law.
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Heck, since rescaling the world would be a bit much, just change the height markers in the character creation screen and give us all a free body respec so we can match where we're supposed to be
I created a custom Council AV for AE and made him max on all sliders, making him just under 8 feet. He's impossible to see in a group of Council who have 9 foot minions, 12 foot lieutenants, and 15 foot bosses.