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Posted on: 2012-05-14 24:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I honestly do not care what powers a toon has as long as they can effectively use them. I think the last person I kicked from a team was a heal bot...you know the healing aura on auto while they put the brute/tank on follow. I don't kick people for bad powers... I have kicked people for being bad players who refuse to adapt/learn/follow simple instructions.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
PS: I think I predict right now, some of those that are so sorely anti-KB will actually carry e-mails full of these KB>KD enhancements and offer them to the offending KBer and if they don't shape up, throw a hissyfit.
Cause they're so 733t, they can afford to just throw around inf. |
Back to the OP... since coh forums always seem to go on tangents... I can't wait for the summer event...and look forward to the new IO set. I only have one toon that I will be using it on...even though I have 4 toons with a lot of KB.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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I play exclusively on Freedom now. I generally play 1-2 hours a day during the week and more on the weekends. I love to team even if in simple radio missions..love itrials..and TFs. The gfriends I do have tend to be more TF/Trial type of people, but some days I just wanna do missions...play lowbies etc... |
Originally Posted by Counter_Agent
What server do you play on the most?
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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So you can be utterly wrong in everything you've said so far in this thread? Gotcha.|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
I kinda hope someone does suggest the -kb IO to you....
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But I already do educate by the demonstration of proper KB use. I don't even need a wall, hover or hoping around to show that. But as I said before, that doesn't stop prissy whiny gits from getting their panties in a minor twist. This new enhancement just puts fuel on that fire. And how long is it going to take for someone to start suggesting more of these types of enhancements to make that other 'it's unique' argument eventually invalid?
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Actually no I am not wrong in everything I have said...since I have spoken from my experience in the game...kind of facetious of you to claim I am wrong..based off MY experience. |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
So you can be utterly wrong in everything you've said so far in this thread? Gotcha.
But I already do educate by the demonstration of proper KB use. I don't even need a wall, hover or hoping around to show that. But as I said before, that doesn't stop prissy whiny gits from getting their panties in a minor twist. This new enhancement just puts fuel on that fire. And how long is it going to take for someone to start suggesting more of these types of enhancements to make that other 'it's unique' argument eventually invalid? |
Go ahead..come back screaming and stomping your feet... to which I would say "wow you had a bad experience...get over it." or "Wow that person was stupid.. I hope you showed them you were right." People who try to dictate other's playstyles without even seeing their playstyle...are quite obtuse to say the least. I have seen people use KB in awesome ways...which is great, but I also know people have been asking for/wished they could change their KB to KD in powers...and tada..again the devs have heard the requests of the many and supplied them with..an optional option. To you I say.. go KB the fu** out of stuff...and if people don't like it.. FU** EM! If you get kicked off a team or told to change your playstyle.. FU** EM! But to threaten that you are going to come back here and "raise hell" well that's just silly..especially over a game. If you don't like the people you are gaming with..find new people
I just find the DOOM and threats of this to be quite over the top...but that is one reason I come to the forums..it is another form of entertainment to me...because it seems no matter what people get their panties in a minor twist (to quote you) and freak out over the smallest things.... there is no DOOM here unless you make it. Nothing has/will change... you will always find stupid people who think their way of playing the game is the only way...and that's why I don't play with them.... of course I guess I should be coming on the forums and raising hell over them though
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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My own opinion on KB/KD (and for the record, I am strictly talking about my own KB powers on my own characters, I don't judge or force my opinions on others):
- KD is awesome in every possible form. The occasional quirk of enemies having KB vulnerability is tolerable, for the effectiveness on the 95% of foes that don't.
- KB with 100% chance (eg. Force Bolt, Gale) is a strong mechanic, if you know how to use it.
- KB with <100% chance in a ST power is ok. I'm not a fan, and would prefer if it was KD or even 100% KB, so I can plan around it, but it's not all that much of a hassle to compensate for it.
- KB with <100% chance in AoE is the devil. Generally I will only use these on teams when I know there's -KB being thrown around, either from my own other powers or from teammates. Knocking back some mobs but not others (not to mention misses) is frustrating to me.
- More exotic cases like Tornado or Bonfire are judged on a case-by-case basis.
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No. I don't think it should be an IO, but for different reasons. I think it should be a straight up built in option via a system that everyone has access too (such as Null the Gull, though really I think all of Null's mechanics need moved to the standard UI options).|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Am I the only one who thinks there shouldn't be an IO that converts KB to KD?
[Edit: I see by the above... that I am not. Though it seems fervor is well above what I have going on.] |
There are certain powers that having knockback on severely hampers their usefullness. Having the only way to mitigate that tied to a temporary event is ridiculous. Not to mention that some of those powers (Wormhole) don't do damage, so this IO doesn't even work for that.
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Originally Posted by mercykilling
Except not. I can fully see people kicking someone with KB from the team with the reasoning being "you don't have the converter proc. And I hate KB."
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Calm down.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
I haven't been kicked for KB either. Sure, I've had a few people bicker or whine when I use Gale or Shockwave and knocked a group off of an Ice Slick or Tar Patch another member was in the process of placing down (instead of using it near the wall I was knocking foes into). I've had people cry when I used Telekinetic Blast a few times and prissy Tankers tell me to take care of stuff I knocked around despite the fact I'm running Dispersion field on them and keeping them shielded.
But no, I've never been kicked. HOWEVER... The *INSTANT* I hear a teammate even *BEGIN* to insist I have this IO even if I don't want it or some prissy tank dictate that I play a certain way just because I don't, there will be hell to pay on these forums. I will link back to the posts in this thread with a bloody vengeance so you better delete these posts now or they'll be shoved back in your face when that time comes. I know how to use KB and prefer it in some places although I can see the use of this in powers like Tornado or Lightning Storm, but that is a vast price to pay for having my other KB dictated by others more than it already is. |
Suddenly Dark Blast Blasters are looking a LOT more palatable.
EDIT: Surely this can't be slotted in Bonfire though, or atleast the chance to knockdown is penalized somehow? 100% chance to knockdown 5 times per second for 45 seconds would be... interesting.
EDIT2: Can an aura take this? For example, could a Blaster with Hot Feet put this proc in there? Death Shroud? Blazing Aura?
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You're a couple of pages late with that prediction.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
So you can be utterly wrong in everything you've said so far in this thread? Gotcha.
But I already do educate by the demonstration of proper KB use. I don't even need a wall, hover or hoping around to show that. But as I said before, that doesn't stop prissy whiny gits from getting their panties in a minor twist. This new enhancement just puts fuel on that fire. And how long is it going to take for someone to start suggesting more of these types of enhancements to make that other 'it's unique' argument eventually invalid? |
As I see it, this IO is two things: A pretty neat quirky IO, and a bullying tool.
The former, I have no issue with, there are several IOs that do some odd things. Some are good, some are... eh. It's the second part I worry about. There's sort of an uneasy truce between people who are good at knockback and melee types where everything has to be herded up into a tiny little ball of death. This IO does not help keep this peaceful, at all, as I hope this thread is beginning to show.
This IS a problem, and one that really needs to be addressed before this IO makes it to Live. Otherwise, things risk getting ugly. This genie cannot easily be put back in the bottle. In fact, now that we know this tech exists, it may already be too late.
So before this IO goes Live, the devs really should ask themselves this: "Are we okay with giving in-game bullies another way to harass other players?" Because that is what this IO is.
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Those are some very interesting possibilities. Bonfire is a nice bit of damage when you can keep mobs in there. And the possibility of adding some more soft control into Hot Feet is also quite intriguing.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Suddenly Dark Blast Blasters are looking a LOT more palatable.
EDIT: Surely this can't be slotted in Bonfire though, or atleast the chance to knockdown is penalized somehow? 100% chance to knockdown 5 times per second for 45 seconds would be... interesting. EDIT2: Can an aura take this? For example, could a Blaster with Hot Feet put this proc in there? Death Shroud? Blazing Aura? |
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Suddenly Dark Blast Blasters are looking a LOT more palatable.
EDIT: Surely this can't be slotted in Bonfire though, or atleast the chance to knockdown is penalized somehow? 100% chance to knockdown 5 times per second for 45 seconds would be... interesting. EDIT2: Can an aura take this? For example, could a Blaster with Hot Feet put this proc in there? Death Shroud? Blazing Aura? |
Any proc that gets slotted into auras, rain powers, etc., only has its chance to fire trigger once every ten seconds.
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The thing is, it wouldn't be the *proc* firing here, it would be bonfire's native KB effect (which has a 100% chance to fire unlike the KD patch powers) being converted to knockdown but still going off 5 times per second. Unless, anyway, the 'convert KB to KD' effect itself would for some reason subject to that limit, which seems like an odd choice.
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Originally Posted by Billy Mailman
Any proc that gets slotted into auras, rain powers, etc., only has its chance to fire trigger once every ten seconds.
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Yeah, I was thinking about this sort of thing myself. Most of the ticking KB powers that could become much more powerful with KB converted to KD don't do damage and thus wouldn't be eligible. Bonfire is an exception. And it's not like Fire Control is underpowered...|
Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
The thing is, it wouldn't be the *proc* firing here, it would be bonfire's native KB effect (which has a 100% chance to fire unlike the KD patch powers) being converted to knockdown but still going off 5 times per second. Unless, anyway, the 'convert KB to KD' effect itself would for some reason subject to that limit, which seems like an odd choice.
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This needs testing for edge cases.
I really should do something about this signature.
Yeah knockback is the evil. To bad the set is unique.
After watching the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHWdzzGj8IE
Thumbs up, looking forward to this event.
I'm glad we all reacted in such a civilized man--
oh wait no. Whoops.
Welp! Neato IO. Don't see myself using it, but, maybe somethin'll come along that catches my eye.
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Originally Posted by Positron
The conversion (Knockback to Knockdown) happens 100% of the time; if the power you slot this in does not have Knockback in it then it adds a proc to do Knockdown.
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It's unique and you can only put it into one power.
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
ZOMG!
A Gamechanger! I can finally take my PB out of retirement! Thank You! |
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Apart from energy blast, i think the majority of powersets only have 1/2 KB powers?|
Originally Posted by RevolverMike
It's unique and you can only put it into one power.
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I know im thinking about which cones/AoE powers i'll slot it in so i can use them again
But seriously . . . .Is it here yet?
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Originally Posted by darksilver_NA
After watching the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHWdzzGj8IE
Thumbs up, looking forward to this event. |
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KB is not "t3h 3v1l" the problem is people who are inconsiderate or lazy using it. I'm lazy in a different way, and tend not to use it as I prefer not to have to do all the additional movement necessary to use it well, but I have a real problem with stormies as hurricane graphics (only power to do this) make me puke if I'm in them and lots of KB on the target I'm fighting tends to give me a headache when I'm playing melee toons, so while I don't kick stormies on sight, I do point this out and sometimes they or I leave the team. The storm elemental lore pets I'm having real issues with atm.
The IO is interesting, and I may well use it. I will never insist on other people using it, but if somebody is slowing the team down by scattering badguys out of all the other team AoEs, I will react as I do now if I'm leading the team, and send them a tell.
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This sums it up. Chances are if they are being an *** with their KB then they are being an *** in other ways also. It tends to start small "Please don't use KB when the mobs are being grouped for an AoE." in case they are new. Then it moves one to various other forms of the same request, then when those are ignored or some one leaves because of it, then they are kicked. |
Originally Posted by Noyjitat
Nobody is going to kick a knockback person from a team unless the person doing knockback is being an ******* with the knockback powers. Its the griefers that knock and scatter enemies all over the place that make you want to beat your head on the keyboard.
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So, look at it however you want. If you don't care about the game being enjoyable for me, they I really don't care about your enjoyment. This has nothing to do with a proc, and everything to do with common courtesy.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
So you can be utterly wrong in everything you've said so far in this thread? Gotcha.
But I already do educate by the demonstration of proper KB use. I don't even need a wall, hover or hoping around to show that. But as I said before, that doesn't stop prissy whiny gits from getting their panties in a minor twist. This new enhancement just puts fuel on that fire. And how long is it going to take for someone to start suggesting more of these types of enhancements to make that other 'it's unique' argument eventually invalid? |
Few pages backs, I already suggested more of them.
I am sure some jerk is going to suggest it or offer it. It is just one more tool for people to use while complaining...so. Those people were already complaining and being jerks about KB. I was excited for my own PERSONAL use of this IO. Because as I primarily play melee toons, I hate chasing my own mobs all over the map.
There is no way on earth I am offering to give something like this away, unless it is to help a friend who is looking for one. If some one does offer you one, take it. Then promptly mail it to me.
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And when you're relentlessly defecating all over these forums because some random person in the game was rude to you, no doubt you'll insist that THEY made you behave in such an infantile fashion. I'm sure the mods will see things that way, too.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
The *INSTANT* I hear a teammate even *BEGIN* to insist I have this IO even if I don't want it or some prissy tank dictate that I play a certain way just because I don't, there will be hell to pay on these forums.
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Which supposedly people with those powersets are being kicked off teams left and right.. never seen it on a team I have been on nor have I been the "victim" of such a thing.
**Honestly too many variables to go into, You could be on a more l33t minded server or, your play style may be to power level and not do actual missions or maybe it is just how long you've played the game...Who knows. But I can tell you happens to me like clockwork about once a month or so. I play nearly every day as well even if it is only to log in and manage IOs or something for a few minutes.
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