I think once Noble Savage clears up what exactly he means by option 1 (made much easier now thanks to EmperorSteele's example) then it may or may not change the voting.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, folks. So I have two overarching philosophies when it comes to the Art Direction in COH: first, that we continue to improve the quality bar with every new initiative we undertake and second, that we not forget about the legacy art as this happens. But when it comes to legacy art, there are of course items in the Costume Creator that are starting to show their age. We could hypothetically remake these assets with crisper, more detailed textures and modern shaders and do our best to maintain the 'flavor' and 'feel' of the originals, with the goal of giving you the same stuff, only better.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But then there's a choice on how to deploy them, and that's where this very informal poll comes in: How would you, the players, want to approach this issue? HYPOTHETICAL OPTION 1: Old assets would be removed from the Costume Creator menu and you'd have the newer, updated ones instead. Pro: This raises the overall quality bar of the game by eliminating the oldest, least-attractive pieces; players look cooler; everything looks more consistent and modern. Less menu clutter. Con: change is scary; perhaps some players will prefer the old pieces? HYPOTHETICAL OPTION 2: We leave the old version alone and put the new version immediately below it in the Costume Creator. Pro: Nothing is 'taken away.' Con: Outmoded art remains, clashes progressively more with newer, modern assets. Menus swell with 2 options for each basic piece, making it harder to navigate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you can see where I stand on this.  Personally, I'd like to see the game's art evolve, improve, and remain consistent, so I much prefer Option 1. But as always, I'd be interested to hear what you guys think about this. Do me a favor and please keep your posts short and to the point. Possible grist for the mill: --non-animated tails were left in Costume Creator when Animated Tails were added. Do any of you use the non-moving ones at this point? |
Since the new practice is to make us pay for everything...even stuff we used to get as part of free issues, such as emotes, please do not remove the old pieces.
Here's what will happen if you remove them:
- You make 5 new pieces.
- You remove 5 old pieces.
- Management decides the 5 new pieces are pretty nice and that we should pay 9.99 for them.
-Now we're stuck with 5 less pieces unless we buy a new booster pack.
Since we aren't getting anything new for our $15/Month, please don't take away the stuff we've already got.
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Seems to me many of the supporters of Option 1 are crying, "Don't impede progress!"
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I think the old stuff doesn't represent the game well. I think much of it is aesthetically unpleasant. I think that the technical hurdles that would have to be overcome to give us everything and a bag of chips are outside David's control, but that updating the textures are within his (and his team's) control. I think that I'd rather have more textures and trust that if an object becomes functionally different through the addition of textures, David is aware enough of how attached people are to their characters' looks to not just blithely rubber-stamp it through to QA regardless.
My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.
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Because that's totally what happened with the shinies in Ultra Mode. They didn't change any pieces that people were attached to, and blithely rubber-stamp it through QA. They made the responsible decision of keeping both options for things like the Metallic skin, the Vanguard and Valkyrie costume models.|
Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
I think that I'd rather have more textures and trust that if an object becomes functionally different through the addition of textures, David is aware enough of how attached people are to their characters' looks to not just blithely rubber-stamp it through to QA regardless.
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Ya follow me?
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system.
If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread.
Cheers,
Noble Savage
David Nakayama, Lead Concept Artist
COH Concept Art Gallery now open at http://pixelsaurus.deviantart.com/
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And this is why we like you and why I like this game/community.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
Just be careful we dont over bloat this game now >.<
Combat Kangaroos, Justice Server. First 50's
Jirra Roo Plant/Storm/Stone/Musculature Controller
Combat Kangaroo Rifle/Energy/Mace/Spiritual Blaster
Kung Fu Kangaroo Martial Arts/Reflexes/Body/Spiritual Scrapper
Tribal Arc Shield/Elec/Mu/Spiritual Tanker
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If true, that means my faith in the art team (or rather you, David, specifically) isn't misplaced.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
So yay--everyone wins.
We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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its refreshing and nice to feel not only that the Dev team asked our opinions, but even listened to us and didn't just roll with the majority. So thank you very much David.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*
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I say option 1: WITH the understanding that you create very similar to the old designs for the new and double the choices and varations of them. This way you give very little justification(or none) to keep the old.
Though I question the effort to do that when it would seem more prudent to simply make a new game on a new engine that gives all that and more instead and within the same IP(ie a true CoX 2). Granted thats even more work but allocating resources to slap on new things to an older set up just means its still an old set, just with new paint. Just seems there's so much inflexibility becoming more painfully obvious.
-Storm Revenant-
Fires Within: Lvl 50 Fire/Kinetics Controller (Champion)
Steamed: Lvl 50 Thugs/Dark Miasma Mastermind (Freedom)
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Originally Posted by Storm_Revenant
I say option 1: WITH the understanding that you create very similar to the old designs for the new and double the choices and varations of them. This way you give very little justification(or none) to keep the old.
Though I question the effort to do that when it would seem more prudent to simply make a new game on a new engine that gives all that and more instead and within the same IP(ie a true CoX 2). Granted thats even more work but allocating resources to slap on new things to an older set up just means its still an old set, just with new paint. Just seems there's so much inflexibility becoming more painfully obvious. |
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Yeah, and they promised they wouldn't take anything out of the editor, the bastards! How dare they go back on their... Wait... Wait, never mind.
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Originally Posted by MrMountie
Because that's totally what happened with the shinies in Ultra Mode. They didn't change any pieces that people were attached to, and blithely rubber-stamp it through QA. They made the responsible decision of keeping both options for things like the Metallic skin, the Vanguard and Valkyrie costume models.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Cheers to you! Thanks for taking the time to sift through all that and listening to our concerns.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
I truly appreciate it.
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Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
Since Noble Savage is CoX art lead, our game is growing a lot in the art and costume section. Costumes look better than ever.
I got hopes in him.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ans this sir, is why you keep living up to the 'Noble' part of your moniker. Your responsiveness has been extremely appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
Pinnacle & Virtue:
A bunch of Heroes - Alpha Team, Legion of Order.
A bunch of Villains -Black Citadel , Pinnache.
Option 1.
Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.
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Oh, and then there's that. So far, David is my favourite guy on the Development team ever since BABs stopped posting. Rock on, dude! |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Legend. Seriously glad they made you lead Art Dev, dude
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Yeah, where IS BaBs? It's a little worrying that the big guy's just upped and vanished >_>
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Oh, and then there's that. So far, David is my favourite guy on the Development team ever since BABs stopped posting. Rock on, dude!
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
Please look into the menu setup so that it both helps to clear the current clutter and is flexible enough to handle any future changes to costume design; like Aura separation, Chest Detail vs. Chest Pattern separations, additions to sub-menu items/variants, or even the suggested costume upgrading, etc.
Heck, if possible, I would go as far as to say see if a player modifiable menu could be done (with a default/reset button of course) so players can set up the costume creator in a manner that best fits their individual needs (a walk-in closet of sorts)
Please strive to leave in (optional) low-demand graphics (when possible) for those already struggling to keep up with the fast pace of visual upgrades.
Please strive to keep adding upgrades for those who can get the most out of it.
Please keep as many options available to the players as possible (in all aspects); this is what separates CoX from most MMOs... near infinite possiblilites.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
So what was even the point of asking if you're just going to go against your original idea and cave in to the minority? "How dare you make my character look better!" I think having outdated textures sitting next to the new upgraded ones is just going to bloat the menu ridiculously.
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What would be the point of him asking if his mind was already made up? I, for one, am glad that they took a 'for show' situation and turned into what it should have been in the first place; an open, honest and objective platform for player input (unlike what happened with the Party Pack). Otherwise, do what you need to do and approach the players in a "this is what we're gonna do-no questions asked" fashion. IMO
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So what was even the point of asking if you're just going to go against your original idea and cave in to the minority? "How dare you meek my character look better!" I think having outdated textures sitting next to the new upgraded ones is just going to bloat the menu ridiculously.
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Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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Thanks for the post and considering our views. We do appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, guys. Just wanted to thank everyone for casting a vote and for helping us get a better picture of what the playerbase is thinking. Here's my takeaway from reading the 22+ pages of thoughts on the topic: Arguments on both sides were compelling to the point where a third option, perhaps involving the menu setup, seems like the best way to satisfy all parties. This is NOT a promise of future action, but it's the view I'll express on your behalf.
So yay--everyone wins. We'll make every effort to create new pieces that give you all better options in areas that might be lacking. And don't worry, Option 2 folks--nothing will be removed from the system. If anyone would like to comment further about specific costume pieces, please don't hesitate to post in the All Things Art thread. Cheers, Noble Savage |
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Originally Posted by Knightfox
So what was even the point of asking if you're just going to go against your original idea and cave in to the minority? "How dare you make my character look better!" I think having outdated textures sitting next to the new upgraded ones is just going to bloat the menu ridiculously.
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Clearly your opinion is more valid than other peoples.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I don't think it needs a complete overhaul, but honestly, where it needs work, it needs it badly.
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