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Yes, they are enhanceable and you can add up to 5 additional slots to them, just like the current versions. The powers are all available either at level 1 or 2 (I forget at the moment) -- no waiting 'til 20 for Stamina.
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All I have to say is...
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Incarnate slots, not general power slots. They'll not do anything to alleviate slot crunch.
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Hmmm...instead of making the entire Fitness Pool inherent, I would have left it where it is and dealt with end directly.
It's possible that a person may not want swift at all or hurdle at all. I run fast enough with no sprint on my elec/elec brute due to Lightning Reflexes. I don't need another speed enhancing power. That's just one example.
What I would have done is create an entirely new inherent that is slottable, and have it directly lower the end consumption for ALL powers. That way, people could opt out of fitness(or take only those powers they needed) and save some slots they would have used for end reductions. You'd only have to apply slots to the inherent and it would lower your overall end consumption.
Otherwise, I'd have the fitness pool powers be 'dormant' until an enhancement is slotted into them...thus unlocking the powers. So that if I didn't want the +jump from hurdle, I wouldn't get it unless I actively slotted the power.
I suppose we'll see how this plays out. I certainly would be interested in hearing the dev reasoning behind doing this after all this time. Mostly for curiosity's sake.
Aye. If we don't get extra slots, it's going to make already tight builds tighter.
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At worst, you can just grab Assault, Tactics, and Vengeance or take Stealth, Grant Invisibility, and Invisibility and pop a LotG in each. Think of it as getting three extra powers but no additional slots... worst case, you keep the exact same build you have and toss in three situational / set mule powers. Best case, you actually add powers you need. Either way you're at least a little better off...
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I'm also not sure that it's going to be one the players are necessarily going to like. (If it were, why require the signature on the NDA?)
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That, and people on this forum have the tendency to turn even changes that most everyone sees as good into DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, as evidenced by this very thread.
Not wanting inherent fitness is like not wanting free sex*. I'm sure some would make that choice but I will never understand why.
*now watch 100 posters attempt to craft bizarre scenarios to justify their nerdrage.
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I have to admit, while I love this idea of the Fitness Pool being inherent... I am a little wary about Swift and Hurdle being slapped on to every character.
They add a noticeable difference to running and jumping (Hurdle more so for me, but each person's mileage may vary).
It's not a hugely negative concern, but it is something that could threaten the feel of individual characters a bit. Just a thought. If there were some way to refuse one of those powers, it might be cool. Maybe unslotted Hurdle doesn't do as much as I am thinking at the moment.
Again... not a big negative, but just something that came to mind when hearing it.
Any characterization of this as having "less slots" involves twisting of a kind I think Reed Richards would find beyond his capabilities.
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One last thing... I would really like to see Power Pool Customization moved to priority (Just my opinion).
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Not wanting inherent fitness is like not wanting free sex*. I'm sure some would make that choice but I will never understand why.
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Hmm so i19 is no longer Incarnates, that seems to have been delayed. Instead it is the preview (with the addition of a single TF) that was supposed to be shipped with GR...but was delayed.
Inherent fitness sounds cool enough. extra 3 lotg for free on any build that desires it now. Or the ability to fit in full fighting or leadership on builds that couldn't fit it before will make the trivial task of softcapping many toons even more trivial. So I guess that is nice. Nice to hit the Staples "easy button" when making builds after all.
lolz little reason most builds can't have vengence now. I'd probably fit it on most builds by lvl 20 with these changes because if the game wasn't easy enough before (and it is) just hit vengence. hmm lvl 20-50 now a total cake walk for virtually every team because surely 1 or 2 members will have enough insight to think like me.
Really opens up the ability to ensure you have phase and perception on pvp builds. That would be great if pvp didn't suck so badly since i13...
The rest is just a lot more of the usual "It's eventually coming, please have faith that we will eventually deliver. Please don't leave". That tune has been played so many times the needle has worn the record clean through.
Not seeing anything in i19 that makes me remotely want to resub. Sorry but 1 slot of the super amazing promised "end game" content probably wouldn't occupy me for a month of fitting the 5 or so toons I'd bother to put it on.
Nice try...I guess.
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I like the sound of the changes, so far. I think I hope we DON'T get a word on the "why" of the changes, because that will just fuel more argument over whether the reasons were good reason or bad reasons, right reasons or wrong reasons. Instead of, how is this going to make the game more fun, and how will the strategies and tactics about using the new rules affect our gameplay.
I can't understand how people see this as any sort of negative with what we know right now, and it gives people at the very least, greater flexibilty in their builds. I suspect many alternative ideas were examined, including boosting base regen and recov rates, and I trust that the devs figured out that wouldn't work. Not that they're perfect, and discussion is obviously a good thing, but jeez guys, this is a total win (except for potential power creep). With that one exception, this seems to support one overarching idea: that no matter how huge a boon one gives a group of players, some people will inevitable see the Eeeeebil inherent in the Good.
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My builds take Swift, Health, and Stamina. I use 4 slots on Health and Stamina. With them as Slottable Inherants, I will still be using those 4 slots. That means I'll have 4 less slots to use on Primary, Secondary, Pool, and Ancillary Powers.
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1.) Pick powers that don't need extra slots. There are plenty to choose from.
2.) Bite the bullet and shave a slot here and there if necessary.
3.) Invest in a few IOs to help shave off a few slots to reallocate.
4.) Don't ever respec that build -- problem solved.
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Just got home, so is there any transcript of the whole panel?
Thanks for the tweets and bulleted lists and such.
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So when Fitness becomes Inherent and everyone has Sprint and Swift, could we PLEASE get the retar... um unreliable and slow AI for Lead Outs bumped so we don't have to keep running 5 feet, wait 10 seconds for Numbnutz McCaptured D00D to catch up and run 5 feet, wait 10 seconds for Numbnutz McCaptured D00D to catch up and run 5 feet, wait 10 seconds for Numbnutz McCaptured D00D to catch up and run 5 feet, wait 10 seconds for Numbnutz McCaptured D00D to catch up until we get through 4 elevators and 400+ yards of herky jerky "following" and "Oh Noes Mr./Mrs. Hero/Villain/Rogue/Vigilante Type... I seem to only be able to walk at the speed of a Trainer/Arbiter, Please walk back those 20 feet so that I know how to follow you" until we finally get them out?
I read it as your description of other's disagreement with you. I've never seen toasted refer to drunk. Lit, topsy, high, plastered... oh well, I just learned a new euphemism.
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On topic, issue 19 appears to be a mini issue which disappoints slightly, much like the introduction of Cimerora. Cimerora was interesting, but after the ITF, didn't offer much.
However, the hush-hush top secrecy surrounding I20 has this 75-month vet waiting with bated breath.
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Just going to chime in with a bunch of other people to try go get something through to the devs: If that's Apex in that slide he looks terrible. Nothing is wrong with his comic book appearance. Use it.
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On the other hand, releasing an issue right after your getting a second competitor-- and one that will pose a significantly greater threat simply from brand recognition alone-- that would cause player agitation wouldn't seem to make much sense to me either ...
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I'm pretty sure you just answered your own question there.
That, and people on this forum have the tendency to turn even changes that most everyone sees as good into DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, as evidenced by this very thread. |
As for the inherent Fitness, since it'll be slottable and available from level 1 (or close enough to it), the only question I have left is, will the values be the same as they currently are? If so, then no problem.
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I'm trying to see if Ransim mistyped. If the I20 CB does start next week, then either I19 won't have a CB phase, or it's been going on this whole time without an announcement.
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There will presumably be a more normal beta for 20 after 19 is out.
You don't have any less slots than you had before. You just happen to have more power choices.
Oh no, more flexibility!
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