2010 2nd quarter earnings

Unfortunately, CoH is doomed. I know we all want to fight that. But simply put there's a game coming out that's going to crush City of Heroes under its leather boot. I'm sorry to say it honestly.

But THIS! is the future. Enjoy your last few months in City of Heroes.

The only thing that really matter is business is that you are making more than 5% profit on your money and couldn't possibly put that somewhere else that would make more money and that's the catch with MMOs, once they are developed they are pretty much money machines and there is literally almost nothing that can make for a better investment or guarantee the same turn around on the investment.

how can we figure out roughly how much they are making?

Let's say a server costs roughly $10,000 per month...
There are 12-15 servers.

That's 150,000 a month to run the servers... 1.8 mil at yearly cost.

So if the game ever goes below that amount the servers will likely start merging and such >.> but long before that, the dev team will be cut as a previous calc puts that cost at a minimum of 4.8 million.

This means that CoH roughly costs $6.6 million a year to run as it is now.
So how much do they need to make for CoH to not be considered a good investment at this cost?

$330,000

That means as long as the revenue is over $7m per year we aren't going to see much change as far as we are concerned as players.

Also not to mention. A lot of that is considered a lost leader. Consider that the current cost of 4.8m is up from around 900k and if Paragon Studios really needed to I think the dev team would get shredded more before the servers are changed and as such the minimum revenue we before change is something like...

$2,835,000 a year.

So if you see that number in the per year value then you might need to start worrying, but until then you just sound like an idiot.

welcome to the doom n gloom. as soo many of you are thinking this.

All this hand wringing does seem poorly timed An expansion is launching in two days and the population is going to spike up dramatically. My SG alone has seen about ten re-subs in the last couple of days, and it isn't showing signs of slowing down.

Many players are going to come back to check out GR, when CoV launched the population went up by something like 30,000 players, back in the day when we got a subscriber number info. So, there is going to be a significant influx of revenue to the game over the next two to three months at a minimum.

Granted, many people will come back for a short amount of time, but that's life, and its not like the money they already spent on the game goes away with them. GR is going to keep CoH going for a while yet, and the incarnate system coming in the future will people back as well. The short term 1-2 year future of the game seems pretty bright.

Yeah, CoH is a small part of the overall revenue picture for NCSoft, but that has always been the case. If the game becomes a money loser, NCSoft will kill it eventually, as they did with Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa, and other games. The odds of that happening in the next 48 months seem extremely low.

It's CoH - NCSoft made slightly more than that

Just glanced over the thread... did we ever get those quotes in which people were claiming that there was no decline in numbers at all? I seem to recall someone saying they had heard that a great deal, and then being challenged to produce some examples.

I don't suppose those examples ever surfaced, did they?

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Speaking for myself, I have been excited about this game before they turned the lights on (although I had to talk myself around for a long time to the concept of paying a subscription to the game). In the course of playing, I first hooked my spouse, one my spouse's friends (and her daughter) and now I have gotten my brother (and his three daughters) involved as well. And as soon as I can convince my dad to get off of dialup, I'll send him a copy as well.
Therefore I do have a vested emotional interest in seeing this game continue - and I have no idea of its status, lacking the relevant insider information.

We (well, many of us, anyway) were very concerned when Another Game was released, but there were implementation problems, and that turned out to be not much of a threat. Now we are facing Yet Another Game being released, and I think there might be lore problems with that game - but I dunno.

I have seen nothing that suggests to me that they will be closing the doors on this game anytime soon, and that's about as much as one can hope for in the MMO world.

The report points out that Blizzard's World of Warcraft has the most number of players in the U.S. out of all the MMOs it tracked, just in front of NeoPets and Club Penguin. Other MMOs in the top five include Disney ToonTown and RuneScape.


WOW - obviously a sub based MMO. (14.95/month)
Neopets - erm this is more a website/community than a MMO from what I understand. Is Steam an MMO ?
Club penguin - free to play (sub based as add on ) ($5.95 /month)
Toowntown - free to play (sub based as add on) ($9.95 /month)
Runescape - free to play (sub based as add on) (from $5.95 /month)

So yeah, of the 'top 5' MMOs, 3 are free to play MMOs, one isn't a MMO by almost anyone's definition, and one is the aberration in the industry that is WOW.


Given the same report says the UK as the second biggest market (wot no China, wot no Korea as #1 and #2), I'd happily suggest that this journalism was pulled from the nether regions and simply is not to be trusted.

Question: even if all, some or none of the above is true, what am I - or anyone else here- supposed to do about it? Light a candle? Fart a happy tune?