2010 2nd quarter earnings

I do care a little, but I'm not gonna get entirely bent out of shape over it.

As a counterpoint, the fanboys always have an excuse as to why less people are playing:

It's Summer, people are outside

It's Fall, people are busy starting school

It's the holidays, people are spending time with family

It's after the holidays, people are playing with their new games

It's Spring, people are getting out after a long winter

It's finals/graduation people are busy

It's summer...

I've seen every single one of those brought out as an excuse as to why the player population is dropping.

GW2 most likely will not be. ArenaNet knows what they have. I was talking about CoH being sub based. If it's sub based allowing any move of characters who've already progressed is silly.

To be honest, I'm not that enthusiastic about CoH2. Sequels tend to want to fix what was wrong with the first game. That's going to require a very careful understanding of what was fun (even if it didn't work) and what wasn't. Everquest, IMO, did OK on that score, from all accounts FFXIV sucks, so I'm not hopeful.

I think the developers here have shown a pretty good understanding at what was and wasn't fun in CoH with the changes over the last few years. I'd be really interested in what Castle and Co could do if they got to design a powers and AT system from the ground up.

A new version of CoH with all the improvements to content and play built in from the ground up would be worth playing.

As much as I love her, I'm concerned that a certain math smartie might influence them too much into perfect boring balance.

If they had enough content anyway. The problem any sequel or many MMOs would run into is to provide enough content for players compared to the older games.

If they make a new game I hope they aim for something along the lines of what GW2 is trying to do.

a, those people are generally disrespectful, on a general human level, for the same reason i dislike seeing someone cuss out a grocery cashier when they are actually at fault or it is something realistically out of their hands, i see that person as a jerk,and empathize. people really should have some borderline level of empathy, even if they are upset, it is something i try to hold myself to, until someone fully proves they lack any class themselves, and it bugs me on a personal level. You can imagine, i love being on the internet .
b. those people loudly push specific agendas, some of which only benefit a small group and would be detrimental to content for me, it's selfish, but if you are trying to take my content development time, im'a fight ya. As i am SURE you know, people like to make their voice heard when they think that people are making suggestions that would negatively affect your fun, right gekky?
c. those people keep going and going long after any reasonable point has been made, just to be pests. "gee, here is another 5 threads about AE farming started by the same guy, i bet those will all be individually productive"


lets face it, this thread is an armchair quarterback saying why the game is doomed if the devs dont follow his directions, its comical if it weren't so frequent. correlation is melded neatly with causation and reason is abandoned in favor of manifestos. things like the economy looking as though it is going to flatten out again, if not a full on double dip, are ignored in favor of someone inferring that the only true way to save the game is to listen to his words.

i notice jazzy has yet to provide a link to where someone said the population is not down, its strange that when people claim that there are these masses of deniers, they can never find me a quote.

let's not forget about the financial excuses either.


some interesting information i found yesterday.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2...Os_in_2009.php

Originally Posted by Black_Barrier Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...

im sure someone will scream and yell until some sets are ridiculously unbalanced and "fun"

Understood. I defend the devs myself when people get out of line, even if I'm on the complainer's side.

That's different. That's just general forum warfare. I don't however, bother to argue against folks who want something that I may not want personally. I'm not a big base builder, but I have no quarrel with folks asking for the devs to support them, even if it means my high level loot grind that will makes casual gamers cry and make the EvilGeko .003% more leet per update, will be delayed a bit.

9 times out of 10, if you ignore folks like that (not put them on ignore, just don't respond) the thread will die. Much better than giving them a platform IMO.

They aren't excuses. They are legitimate reasons why people change their real life schedules. Having those things happen doesn't mean that they up and cancelled their subscriptions like you want people to believe.


The truth is that even with subscriptions being lower then they used to be most of the playerbase doesn't have problems finding teams on any server regardless of the size of its population.


It sure is fun watching you guys froth at the mouth whenever anyone disagrees with you.

CoV was in nearly every way a massive improvement on CoH and the current dev crew seems to have a fair grip on what we think is 'fun' and what doesn't work.

I'd pre-order a theoretical CoH 2 sight unseen.

r/e the topic of the thread, as I kept repeating to someone quite a while ago I have no emotional investment in how well this game does financially as long as it earns enough to keep the doors open. As it demonstrably has the corporate backing for the long haul, I find these types of threads basically meaningless.

People have been posting them almost literally as long as the game has been around, and the game is still around.
And it has an expansion coming out.
And is hiring new talent.

So, what's the point of these things?
*shrug*

So would I - moving hair or no moving hair

yes there are some legit reasons but how do you explain CoH only having roughly 60k subs and earning 1mil per month currently when in 2009 there were roughly 21,000,000 (pay to play) mmo gamers in the U.S. alone who spent an average of $15 per month???


Even with flaws, CoH is one of the cooler games out there compared so why such poor numbers???

Originally Posted by Black_Barrier Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...

I explain it this way: niche game.

Technically, every game out is a niche game. The question is, why is CoXs niche so small compared to so many others. If NeoPets and Club Penguin have bigger shares of the market than CoX, there is a problem.

If CoH was a game aimed at pre-teens you'd have a point.

Wow, it really galls you that NCSoft is still turning a profit with this game despite all your predictions that it's doomed.

Keep your fingers crossed there big guy, and maybe things will get worse like you keep saying.

don't deflect, just answer the questions.

Originally Posted by Black_Barrier Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...

valid point.

do you think that CoH could pull off a major expansion for Cimerora and provide a "fantasy" niche as well to draw in some of those types of gamers?

i personally feel CoH has the potential to cover multiple niches very well.

Originally Posted by Black_Barrier Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...

I don't think that anyone here really can answer your questions. That's the whole point.

The fact is that most people here(Nethergoat being a good example) don't really care how close the game is to 'failing'. As long as they can play it right now and for the foreseeable future.

Another hefty dose of reality that we all have to learn to swallow is that even if the game were at death's door, the devs would not tell you. They literally could not tell you, even if they knew, because they are beholden to a corporation that has rules.

No one knew that Tabula Rasa was close to shutting down until the very end. I was a player and looking forward to some of the updates they were working on.

Last thing. The devs are probably the last people to know when a MMO game is going to die(unless they self-publish and self-fund). That's a decision made at a corporate level that developers don't get to be in on directly in most cases.

In the end, I'd reserve this kind of thing until a few months after GR. It's too close to the launch of a new expansion to make any kind of prediction. I may have some concerns over how they market this game but I don't have any control over that.

Besides, even if the game did die, do you know how many other games there are out there to play? My Steam list is full of stuff that I haven't finished yet(and some I have yet to install) and more games are getting announced every month. Heck, I just saw the previews for Warhammer 40K: Space Marine and I'm stoked.