Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 2/21/12
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Posted on: 2012-02-21 10:42 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Someone mentioned Powerset set change tokens, that will probably never happen, but....Origin Change Tokens?
ABSOLUTELY! I would cheerfully buy a couple, even at 800 points so I could fix a few toons who need their origins fixed to match the new concept I developed after they hit level 30 or so.
Alignment switch tokens? I will probably buy a couple for my main badger, but otherwise just work through the arcs.
I was a little disappointed that the Loyalist and Resistance alignments were left out, though not surprised to see it as such.
I'd buy the occasional token to get a Praetorian out of Praetoria if I could return them to their original Resistance/Loyalist alignment after a later date.
"I saw my advantage and took it. That's what heroes do." - Homer Simpson.
Fine with alignment tokens meself. Still sad about Super-Pack-exclusive costumes to care about it I guess! >_<
Anyways, i think the price is a bit too much(really they should be 450 for a one-time price, or half of the GR alignment system price, whihc would mesh nicely with the free monthly points allowance for VIPs too.)
As other people stated, this isn't really for VIP convenience, this is so free players can switch without the alignment system. I 'unno, I've always just rolled an alternate redside/yellowside version of a hero(or the opposite for a villian) if needed, or badgered friends to help me rush through the mishes to switch
May pick up one of these at some point just to have it in case of RP/Story need, but probably not more than one.
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The respec is 800, but I don't think alignment token should be the same cost though. Realistically 600 points because 400 is too low.
not really upset about the alignment switching existing but the price they are asking for it is downright insane. 800 really? 80 sounds far more reasonable and I guarantee you'll sell a lot more of them at that price than you will at 800.
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I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I have to say that the alignment change token rubs me the wrong way too. *At some point you have to wonder if there's any limit to what's for sale in the market.
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I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too.
And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on....
C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs.
ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment.
Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service?
Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system.
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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This is what they really meant to say. They have been watching too many network news shows and only know how to communicate via angst and vitriol.
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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*Holds up transfer token* Leeloo Dallas Multi-pass now with increased functionality as alignment changing. Now I know what I would do with my 5-6 that are collecting dust.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.
I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too. And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on.... C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs. ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment. Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service? Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system. If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears. |
I understand the idea of the price: high enough to make people buy a sub. IDK if it will work, but I'll let the market decide things like this price/demand stuff.
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No way would I want these instead of points. I can use the points on anything I want, even if they only cover part of the cost.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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Alignment changes instead of server transfers, I like better... problem is, while I do indeed have five transfers just sitting there untouched, no plans to use one in the foreseeable future, and another coming next week, I also have two that I have used. I use the things, just... not all of them. I have too many for them to do me any good. And I think I'd get about the same amount of use out of free side-switching. If alignment changes flat-out replaced server transfers, I'd probably love it and hate it in equal amounts, depending on which of the two services I wanted to use right then.
I wonder if there would be a way to offer a choice, though; replace free server transfers with a more-inclusive "account service" token that could be used for a variety of features that don't really "add" anything to the account or the characters so much as they move existing things around -- server transfers or alignment changes (and maybe character renames could be rolled into it as well). If they were versatile enough, it might even be okay to reduce them to a bi-monthly offering instead of a monthly one.... I bet the vast majority of VIPs would be okay (even thrilled) with seeing their twelve annual server transfers replaced with six annual transfers/side-switches/renames they could pick and choose as they wanted.
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Hopefully constructive feedback: It would be a nice perk if these tokens allowed you to change to Rogue or Vigilante if you have access to those alignments.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I wonder if there would be a way to offer a choice, though; replace free server transfers with a more-inclusive "account service" token that could be used for a variety of features ... I bet the vast majority of VIPs would be okay (even thrilled) with seeing their twelve annual server transfers replaced with six annual transfers/side-switches/renames they could pick and choose as they wanted.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I wonder if there would be a way to offer a choice, though; replace free server transfers with a more-inclusive "account service" token that could be used for a variety of features that don't really "add" anything to the account or the characters so much as they move existing things around
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I like this idea...
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Is that actually open to discussion? If so I'm interested in giving some feedback. Personally I'm someone who will probably never use the free server transfers, my server transfer counter is pretty much equivalent to a "months since Freedom launched" counter. This isn't to say that I consider part of my VIP sub wasted or anything, just that free transfers don't really enter into the equation when I decide whether I'm getting value for my money.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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However, my ideal system (and I have no idea how feasible this is) is to get one token that can (only) be spent on an account service of an equivalent value. So, some people might still want to use them on transfers, but people like me might be able to use them on renames or respecs or those alignment switches.
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I would spend points or even cash for an AT change token.|
Originally Posted by stark_NA
Alignment change token, nice idea.
How about a powerset change token? Not an AT change token, but a powerset change token. I don't even need to change ATs, but I have a couple of 50s that I really don't want to play any more (and getting them a new powerset would make them fun again.) Particularly with powerset proliferation: that always makes me go "FINALLY they made that powerset! I wouldn't have slaved away with this other powerset if that one had been available!" |
Here's why: I have a tank that used to be my main before the Focused accuracy ..uh..."balance" ... <.< that has a badge title that can't be gotten anymore.
That tank is supposed to be a brute.
..OR some nice dev could just give the Brute I have in mind that badge...
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I would like to see the alignment change/rename/respec as an option instead of the transfer token each month for a VIP. I think I've only used 2 Server transfers ever.
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I don't mind these being in the store at all. Sounds like a great service for those who want it. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.
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For many months, I didn't use my free server transfers. But after 10 or more accumulated, I transferred a lot of characters to Virtue to play with friends. I'm very pleased with my character's new home, but I never would have spent money to transfer them. I like having the free transfers.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears.
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I wouldn't mind what some others are describing as "account tokens" which would let us choose from a variety of account services (transfers, renames, respecs, extra slots, etc), but I would hate to see the transfer tokens completely replaced with alignment change tokens -- I can't imagine using those at all. I'm happy with the sides I've chosen, and if I wanted an alignment change, I would do it in game.
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heh , some must have hit a nerve? |
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.
I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too. And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on.... C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs. ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment. Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service? Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system. If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears. |
I love how the constructive feed back example starts with' this is a great feature. I guess the biz side of paragon needs a we love them thread.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I would expect you to eat those words at some point in 6 to 12 months.
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I'll sign this. I have no use for server transfers. I can't see myself making much use of them at all, so they're just going to build up indefinitely. If I had a generic token every month that I could apply to one of several things like this (name change, alignment change, etc.) then that would be better. Honestly, for me, I'd rather have an extra 100 points per month than that server transfer I'll never use. (yes, I know the transfer is worth more than 100 points, but I'm not trying to suggest that they give it all away, just trying to make a point.) Even a couple of super packs instead would work for me.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I wonder if there would be a way to offer a choice, though; replace free server transfers with a more-inclusive "account service" token that could be used for a variety of features that don't really "add" anything to the account or the characters so much as they move existing things around -- server transfers or alignment changes (and maybe character renames could be rolled into it as well). If they were versatile enough, it might even be okay to reduce them to a bi-monthly offering instead of a monthly one.... I bet the vast majority of VIPs would be okay (even thrilled) with seeing their twelve annual server transfers replaced with six annual transfers/side-switches/renames they could pick and choose as they wanted.
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Hey, this question may belong in the player help section, but is anyone else having trouble purchasing the Going Rogue Expansion for 900 points? I am currently VIP so I don't need to purchase it right now, but I want to have it in case I go premium in the future. The thing is the market won't let me buy it at the moment. Any advice?
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Meh, don't let em get to you. It is not a feature I would purchase, and it is not one I would want to trade my transfer token for.
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.
I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too. And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on.... C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs. ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment. Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service? Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system. If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears. |
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If you're VIP at the moment, I don't think you can purchase anything that's already included in VIP. So basically, you'd have to go Premium before you could buy it.|
Originally Posted by Kiyyun
Hey, this question may belong in the player help section, but is anyone else having trouble purchasing the Going Rogue Expansion for 900 points? I am currently VIP so I don't need to purchase it right now, but I want to have it in case I go premium in the future. The thing is the market won't let me buy it at the moment. Any advice?
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.
I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too. And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on.... C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs. ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment. Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service? Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system. If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears. |
As a subscriber, prior to Freedom, everything was pretty much included in my monthly sub. Yea, you guys released the occasional booster pack and expansion, but they were pretty spread out. So shelling out $10 here and $10 there wasn't as big a deal to get the new shiny.
With the Paragon Market, there's just way too many options out there - especially when for 6+ years I didn't have to buy anything extra. Granted, I still don't have to, but after 6 years of playing, if there's nothing new to play with, the game gets boring.
With Freedom, -new- VIPs/subscribers get a lot more bang for their buck. And that's fine. I'm not bitter that I paid for things to have them when they first came out. I understand that, and I get it. But what do existing subscribers get that they didn't already have? 400pts a month? If you're releasing new shinys every week, 400pts doesn't go far. If I want the goodies, I have to shell out more now than the occasional $10 with the booster packs.
tl;dr
New subscribers get lots of goodies out of the box.
Old subscribers feel like they're getting milked.
Also, I like the idea of an alternate option to the free server transfer. While it was a nice gesture at the launch of Freedom, I think a lot of players opted to stay on their home servers and not relocate to Exalted. A choice of "account services" or even a rotating award, one month transfer, next month rename, next month alignment, etc, would be more palatable. Or even the option to trade in the transfer for pure points. Heck, even at half value I think it would be more useful to a lot of folks.
All in all, I still love CoH despite the gripes I have with it. You guys rock for interacting with the players on a regular basis. Yea, it's a business for you. But it's entertainment for us. There has to be a balance where you make money and we get goodies.
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While I have no problem with alignment change tokens... I know I'd be all for getting those instead of server change tokens... far more useful to me >.>
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
I guess it wasn't enough to just give away the Going Rogue Expansion features away as a benefit for VIP subscription and allow just any subscriber to change their alignment for free.
I guess we're also morally bankrupt to give away free server transfers a month for free to VIP subscribers, too. And for anyone that never purchased the Going Rogue expansion or let their subscription lapse, we're apparently lower than dirt to charge a $10 "service" fee to change a character's alignment that a non-paying customer spent time on.... C'mon folks. *This is not profiteering on the backs of VIPs. ALL VIP subscribers and any customer that purchased the Going Rogue expansion have a FREE option to EASILY and FREELY change their character's alignment. Come at me with the pitchforks, but really? *Are you not seeing the reasons for introducing this service? Non VIP customers can now change their character's alignment to try the content on the other side without deleting thir character and grinding up to a power level where they were before (if they got up to level 20). * VIP customers get 400 points every month that they can apply to this 800 point service...., or as I pointed out earlier, VIP customers can change their alignment for FREE using the in-game system. If you want to provide more constructive feedback like "this is a great feature that i would rather get free per month as part of my VIP membership than server transfers or 400 points per month" then we're all ears. |
It was obvious WHY this was introduced to ME. But I'm special that way. LOL
Also I'd be fine with them allowing us to choose alignment tokens instead of transfers as someone up-thread alluded to.
Also I'd be fine with a powerset respec or AT respec (if that's even possible, not sure if the latter is codewise based on previous dev comments) token priced at 1200 points. YES, it SHOULD be the cost of a new powerset for obvious reasons.
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Now THAT idea I like. Tokens that can be used for server transfers, renames, side switches, and respecs. Basically, all the $10 things.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I wonder if there would be a way to offer a choice, though; replace free server transfers with a more-inclusive "account service" token that could be used for a variety of features that don't really "add" anything to the account or the characters so much as they move existing things around -- server transfers or alignment changes (and maybe character renames could be rolled into it as well).
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The only server transfer tokens I've used so far have been to get free renames by bouncing characters to servers where their old names are already taken, changing their name, then bringing them back.
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