Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 2/21/12
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Posted on: 2012-02-21 10:42 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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We got those already.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
For all you badge hunters you do know that there is badges associated with vigilant and rogue tip missions don't you? You'd skip em going the instant route so...
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When a new Issue comes out, we have to go the round robin of morality each time to get the badges that are exclusively on the other side.
But, I've already turned my Hero into a Vigilante in anticipation of the next Issue.
I could possibly see a Premium, who doesn't have access to Going Rogue Morality System paying $10 for a one-time switchover. But I don't know who else would pay $10 because they couldn't wait 2 days.
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... So that's why all my badge hunters got all those "side-switching" badges within a couple of weeks of being able to switch sides in the first place. Not quite sure what your point was here other than if you have less reason to side-switch the traditional way (because you've been done with all the transitional badges for ages) then the Alignment Tokens make even more sense to use for any future switches you want to make. |
Originally Posted by Lucky666
For all you badge hunters you do know that there is badges associated with vigilant and rogue tip missions don't you? You'd skip em going the instant route so...
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Still, its a better idea than Not-So-Super Packs. |
Originally Posted by Darkscar
An alignment change merit? Seriously? Like it's that hard and unrewarding to do it the 'long, hard way.' Maybe we can buy a merit to buy purples or incarnate abilities next.
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I don't feel that 800 points is strictly "desirable" but it does match the costs of other account services like server transfers and character renames so it's probably more in-line to say that I consider the 800 point cost to be unsurprisingly "on par" with those other services.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
If you feel 800 points is appropriate, I'm not going to argue with you further, I just want my viewpoint to be clear. I know they want it to be priced so that it isn't used frivolously, and I feel anything from 80-160 would be enough to do that without overestimating the value of the product.
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Setting the price down to the 80-160 range might be enough to keep you from switching back-n-forth multiple times a day but I suspect that price point would not be high enough for that desired effect on the majority of people which is what the Devs want from this.
I suppose you can simply take comfort in knowing that the original multi-day path to side switching is still an option for you.
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I love that they have alignment merits. Hate the price point, but that is nothing new for me and Paragon Market. I don't mind doing tip missions if I need to change alignments, but I am happy for those that want to pay for it can now do that eventhough I never would.
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I think people such as yourself have the confused idea that the Devs were actually expecting to make a "potential goldmine" from this. If they actually wanted to make a lot of money this way they would have made the ONLY way you could side-switch be via this token method. At the very least they would not have left the "free" way to do it in the game at the same time. |
Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian
This. I tested these on beta and was eager to see them go live so I could buy a handful. $10 to flip one toon? Lol. No Thanks I'll continue despising the work required for alignment swaps since that's gonna be the only way they get changed for me. These could have been great sellers, but Paragon Marketeers screwed up another potential goldmine
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If it was cheap, I'm sure you'd see people buying and using them all of the time. That goes for a lot of consumables on the market. Waaaay overpriced for the majority of customers.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
800 points, however, is exorbitant. That's the price of a new powerset.
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If it was like 100 points, you would probably see players buying 10-20 of these over a six month period, but at 800 points a piece, most of those players will likely not buy any. Even at half price, it's an 'expensive' option.
But nothing new here. Price it extremely high to start, discount it once, discount it deeper, and then sit around befuddled at lackluster sales and how to boost revenues.
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This is exactly what the Devs want from this. This was never about offering us something we'd all want to buy 20 of or that the Devs expected to make a ton of money from. This was about a method of control over a feature that the Devs want to make sure is available to us while at the same time remains something that we won't over-use.|
Originally Posted by Necrotron_RO
If it was like 100 points, you would probably see players buying 10-20 of these over a six month period, but at 800 points a piece, most of those players will likely not buy any. Even at half price, it's an 'expensive' option.
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Remember if the Devs needed money from alignment switches we would have been paying for them all-along.
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Me 400 would e a better price. Not sure, howeve, if I'd use it even then.
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By definition, QoL purchases save time without otherwise increasing power. Technically, the alignment switch token does exactly that: it saves the time to make the switch, but it does so without granting any of the potential rewards you can accumulate as part of performing the switch in-game. The difference between offering the alignment switch token and offering instant leveling tokens is not just a matter of degree, they are fundamentally different offerings.
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Agreed .. Come on where do we draw a line here? I don't care if it costs 800 ar 8000 points. I can do 5 missons for 2 days and go from hero to vigilante or villain to rogue. Two more days and the swicth is complete. If we are talking about a 20 level character that we want to convert what makes the difference if they earn XP required to get to 21 and beyond doing tip missions or anything else? If we are talking a 50 level that someone decided to switch well .. suck it up and take a few hours away from the incarnate trials to switch over.
I wonder how long before we get the.. Instant level one to level 50 token so you can just create a character and then POOF .. start running trials with them for incarnate powers? |
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I dont understand what you mean by changing your Hero to Vigilante in anticipation of the next Issue..Do new morality mish's come out with each issue??
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
We got those already.
When a new Issue comes out, we have to go the round robin of morality each time to get the badges that are exclusively on the other side. But, I've already turned my Hero into a Vigilante in anticipation of the next Issue. I could possibly see a Premium, who doesn't have access to Going Rogue Morality System paying $10 for a one-time switchover. But I don't know who else would pay $10 because they couldn't wait 2 days. |
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Gee I thought I had done that when I PAID FOR GOING ROGUE on the 1st day it was released....
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Originally Posted by Lothic
This is exactly what the Devs want from this. This was never about offering us something we'd all want to buy 20 of or that the Devs expected to make a ton of money from. This was about a method of control over a feature that the Devs want to make sure is available to us while at the same time remains something that we won't over-use.
Remember if the Devs needed money from alignment switches we would have been paying for them all-along. |
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Morality missions don't, but badges do. Some of those badges are not obtainable by heroes (and some are not obtainable by villains), so you need to switch sides or at least be one of the middle alignments to get all the badges.|
Originally Posted by ph0enix
I dont understand what you mean by changing your Hero to Vigilante in anticipation of the next Issue..Do new morality mish's come out with each issue??
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Edit: By the way, ph0enix, have you tried the multi-quote feature, rather than double-posting?
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No, but new badges that require access to either Paragon City (and hero-side missions) or the Rogue Isles (and villain-side missions) do. A vigilante (or rogue) can access both.
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Originally Posted by ph0enix
I dont understand what you mean by changing your Hero to Vigilante in anticipation of the next Issue..Do new morality mish's come out with each issue??
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I think we should be allowed to choose what allignment we want.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Morality missions don't, but badges do. Some of those badges are not obtainable by heroes (and some are not obtainable by villains), so you need to switch sides or at least be one of the middle alignments to get all the badges.
Edit: By the way, ph0enix, have you tried the multi-quote feature, rather than double-posting? |
Can I get some clarification on the badges part of that statement? I'm sorry I've been playing since 2009 but i'm still woefully ignorant on aspects of this game.
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I'm just wondering why they waste the time coding and bugtesting features that marketing then goes and purposely places out of the desired range for 90% of players.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
I think people such as yourself have the confused idea that the Devs were actually expecting to make a "potential goldmine" from this. If they actually wanted to make a lot of money this way they would have made the ONLY way you could side-switch be via this token method. At the very least they would not have left the "free" way to do it in the game at the same time.
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Like (theoretic example)"New to the Paragon Market; pick any desired name you want for a new character, even if taken by another already"-100,000pp. It doesn't matter that an item has been created and given to us if it's in a pricerange to be laughed at.
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I thought we could..if not. I'm so confused.
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Originally Posted by Sukothai
I think we should be allowed to choose what allignment we want.
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If you're hero or vigilante, you become a villain. If you're villain or rogue, you become hero. I bought it and tryed it.
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Originally Posted by ph0enix
I thought we could..if not. I'm so confused.
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Alignment change token, nice idea.
How about a powerset change token? Not an AT change token, but a powerset change token. I don't even need to change ATs, but I have a couple of 50s that I really don't want to play any more (and getting them a new powerset would make them fun again.)
Particularly with powerset proliferation: that always makes me go "FINALLY they made that powerset! I wouldn't have slaved away with this other powerset if that one had been available!"
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Oh I wasnt *that* confused. As I mentioned earlier I've been running Going Rogue for a while since its release... I know we can choose our alignment... I was jus hinting to the other person... that their question was kinda confusing coz we CAN choose...
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Originally Posted by Sukothai
If you're hero or vigilante, you become a villain. If you're villain or rogue, you become hero. I bought it and tryed it.
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Wouldnt that kill the point of making new characters?
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Originally Posted by stark_NA
Alignment change token, nice idea.
How about a powerset change token? Not an AT change token, but a powerset change token. I don't even need to change ATs, but I have a couple of 50s that I really don't want to play any more (and getting them a new powerset would make them fun again.) Particularly with powerset proliferation: that always makes me go "FINALLY they made that powerset! I wouldn't have slaved away with this other powerset if that one had been available!" |
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From context, it seemed clear to me that Sukothai was saying 'we should be able to choose what alignment we want when using a token', not just in general. As in, use a token, get a menu saying "hero/vigilante/villain/rogue?" (presumably greying out the one you already are) and you choose the one you want.
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Originally Posted by ph0enix
Oh I wasnt *that* confused. As I mentioned earlier I've been running Going Rogue for a while since its release... I know we can choose our alignment... I was jus hinting to the other person... that their question was kinda confusing coz we CAN choose...
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Ooooh okay sorry it didnt seem clear to me. I totally missed that. MY BAD.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
From context, it seemed clear to me that Sukothai was saying 'we should be able to choose what alignment we want when using a token', not just in general. As in, use a token, get a menu saying "hero/vigilante/villain/rogue?" (presumably greying out the one you already are) and you choose the one you want.
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