It would be nice to be able to put detail patterns on the various alternative skin options for the effect of being able to wear tights when you're using something other than "Tights" or "Tights Sleek" or whatever. Like if I'm using Bioluminescent, it would be nice to also be able to use the Stripes 1 pattern over that, for instance. Same with using the T-Shirt chest texture, or the Witch stuff or Excess Plus or "Bare" or any other skin-showing textures. Just because I'm showing skin doesn't mean I don't want a pattern there as well.
And for a pie-in-the-sky request? More than one detail pattern. So I could use Stripes 1 AND Stripes 2. Or Tiger AND Cheetah. And possibly be able to make them different colors(though even if we had to keep them the same color, it would still be useful to be able to use 2 or more patterns at once.) Probably not gonna happen, but still.
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There's one tank top for women that does this, and I use it a lot for a leotard-style top because it looks so much better than the other options.|
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A major thing would be to have spandex and masks not look like they were painted on - actaully giving them an edge to make it look like they were separate from out bodies would be great. |
So my vote would be for more of that kind of thing.
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Yeah, a lot of my girls use that top. That and it looks good with so many things...something that can't be said of the 'T Shirt' option. At least the female model HAS a real shirt option. Guys get nada |
Originally Posted by Organica
There's one tank top for women that does this, and I use it a lot for a leotard-style top because it looks so much better than the other options.
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So the issue with new textures of tights is that it seems as though it'll be very difficult to get masks to match the texture of the tights. If I want a full face mask/ninja mask, or even a domino mask but I want to wear it with leathery tights, the mask will never look like it's made of the same material as the tights, right? They'd have to make a new copy of every head with every combination of mask pattern, and then let you color it.
Whereas right now, they've got one set of heads, and they let you slap some color on your head.
The obvious solution to this would be to make masks some sort of additional 3-d object, like horns. Horns can come in 'basic' or 'metal,' but are attached to the face. Masks could be the same way. The obvious problem with THAT is that as you deform the shape of the head, you'll also have to deform the shape of the mask in such a way that it continues to fit well. Is that do-able? I have no idea.
(I know another game who did it, but our models are VERY different from theirs, and given our general clipping issues when it comes to things like hats, I doubt it'd be easy to do with our system. I mean, look at what happened with the original day job 'shirts.' They had to be as puffy as jackets to keep from clipping. But the new shirt we're getting is much more form fitting, so maybe there's some room for improvement there.)
The middle-ground option would be to have 6-10 new faces/heads that grant textures and patterns in a few combinations:
Leather domino face.
leather cowl face.
metal domino face.
metal cowl face.
leather ninja mask.
metal ninja mask.
There wouldn't be much variation in mouths, but you don't get much variation in eyes as it is now with our tights-textured 'ninja mask.'
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I personally am more in favor of options A and B, the "classic" tights with modern touches and some loose-fitting options. I think we have tons of "modern" style tights already, and that seems to be most of what we've gotten in terms of tights for quite some time. The detailing on those modern sets is astounding, but either the pieces mesh perfectly or they don't mesh at all. There's no middle ground with using, say, Ulterior chest tights and Tights pants, just to pick an example. Doing a combo like that requires a belt to create a sense of transition.
I personally think one of the best sources of inspiration for tights would be the Legion of Super-Heroes books, from all the way back in the seventies to the New 52 outfits. The sheer variety of looks, fits, patterns, colors, trim and textures boggles the mind, yet nearly all of them look SUPER. If I finish a costume for a character and think, "That reminds me of a Legion costume," then I'm extremely happy. That's the direction I'd like to see for new tights costume pieces. We've gotten quite a bit of new and cool textured pieces for the last two years, and it'd be lovely to see our old mainstay tights pick up some new flashy items as well.
This one little picture has TONS of ideas for tights, from the shiny metallic texture and one-piece design of Dream Girl's classic outfit, to the star texture of Star Boy's costume, the gossamer head-tail of Comet Queen (because I don't know what else to call it), Lightning Lass's jacket/miniskirt dress which I absolutely LOVE, the patterns on Shrinking Violet, Element Lad, Cosmic Boy, Tyroc, Brainiac 5, Glorith's hood/cape combo, Shadow Lass's insanely minimalist outfit and her cape (made out of freaking shadows!!)...
THIS is the kind of stuff I think you guys can knock out of the park, David, because you've done such a good job on what we've seen so far. There's tons of life left on the "simple" tights.
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Originally Posted by MagicFlyingHippy
The big thing that bothers me about all the old-style tights is that they really don't look or feel like tights. Part of this is just the flat texture and color masking, but it feels like paint, not clothing. White tights and white skin look exactly the same, and that's a problem.
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But I am all for more texture options, and have other characters that would totally use an old school "tights" option. Especially I'd like to see one that is generic enough that as many of the existing color patterns as possible can be overlaid on top of it as possible. The issue with defense, as I mentioned in the other thread, is that it is somewhat restrictively associated with only a couple of color patterns in the creator. That's not -bad-, mind you, and I love that it fits with both it's own pattern (defense) and one of the older ones (stripe 3, i think?). And I love that Stealth does the same thing with....Stripe 3. ;p But neither of those patterns are generic enough to work in any real sense with any of the other patterns. (or many of them, anyway)
So I'd like to see, first and foremost, a tights option that gives a generic, subtle texturing to the whole body, without lending to a particular pattern. If it's going to have briefs seams, a-la some of the golden agey costumes that were in the other thread, those should match up with the briefs/bikini color patterns, maybe, (so that the seam lines up with the color division) but other than that, I'd like it to avoid associating itself with a particular costume pattern.
Aside from that, in the future, I'd be glad to have other patterns that happen to line up really well with existing costume color patterns, and, again, I really like me sum textured/detailed "with skins" options, particularly ones that give more personality to some of the existing "painted on" shapes.
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Firstly, the Andre the Giant outfit is a version of a singlet. Tights are what cover the legs, and Andre's legs are bare. Likewise, Hogan is in trunks, not tights.
Now, to my wish list...
Flat color slightly looser tights that don't show muscle definition, to simulate the cotton-style outfits available in the '30s and '40s, perhaps even with a slightly loose sleeve option, as below...
Longer tops that go down past the top of the pants, that can have belts over them if desired, to make longer tights tops or tunics (if longer)... If this is done with a "skirt" type overlay option for male/huge costumes to extend the line of the shirt, have the colors and textures match please.
Plain belts (cloth/leather/metallic) of different widths, with buckle options PLEASE, for maximum variation, to separate tights tops and bottoms...
Textures such as scales and chainmail for tights tops and male "skirt" overlays, to be able to make scale or chainmail hang down past the belt, as below...
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Mostly A with a little bit of B.
My biggest preference:
-- COMPLETE any incomplete patterns! Many patterns don't have all pieces available. Also, Tights Sleek don't have gloves, boots, skirt, or face mask equivalents. Etc. Complete all of those!
My other preferences:
-- Fix all of the edges of tights so that there are no lines between the two 'blocks' of the model.
-- A "mask" that is actually just a very short "neck" to use with chest tights so that the neckline doesn't stop abruptly at the 'base' of the neck.
-- Chest tights that have an actual neckline (like a t-shirt's V or semi-circle) instead of stopping abruptly.
-- Masks on top of the face and tights on top of the skin (not painted on).
-- Update the current patterns to hi-res (drop the old ones into a Legacy option) and make more patterns (make sure you make complete sets!).
-- A real t-shirt for both male/huge and female bodies. With loose-ish sleeves and loose-ish chest/waist (but not so loose that it doesn't look like loose tights!). Like a real t-shirt!
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, folks. There's been some interest in the basic tights category lately, so let's talk about it in depth. If we were to make some new BASIC TIGHTS options for the game, what would you want to see?
Some options to consider: A) revamped old school/spandex tights similar to the ones we already have (adding a few details like seams but still mostly plain) B) loose-fitting tights with folds (like you'd see in Golden/Silver Age comics) C) modern super-hero tights (w/ ribbing, surface texture(s), subdivided surfaces) a la Ultimates 1 or Marvel movies. Some say that the Defense and Olympian Guard base textures cover this style fairly well. Do you agree? Notes: in this thread, let's focus on BASIC TIGHTS ONLY. --it's fine to discuss shorts, skirts, and other similar looks --likewise, feel free to bring up related basic accessories (like masks, etc.) --let's not discuss specific genre costumes in this thread --let's keep posts to 1-2 paragraphs please; succinct points will get you maximum impact Thanks! Let's get started. |
- Rough Cloth Look.
- Adding padding to strategic areas; shoulders, elbows, knees, gloves, and chest.
- With the Crey Sleek Armor, there's chain mail or a metallic texture look. This type of texture could be a basic look.
- With that though, armor scales would give a good look for those who "made their own" in the basement too.
- Masks already mentioned; however these should be more pronounced than they are now. They should look more like masks instead of spandex coverings. (Ala Robin, Batman, ect...)
- For the more advance costums is it possible to add in texture that might match up to those special logos? Something like Spiderman's Venom costume but not so blantent when the Arachnos logo is selected.
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I want tights that look like real material. Generally leather, but quilted, chainmail, and scales are good.
I'd like the face masks (such as Neck, Diablo, Romulus, etc) to actually look like spandex rather than face paint.
Other than that, I'd prefer A and C rather than B.
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Also full mask (and other masks if possible) should have a "sleek" option to match sleek tights -- currently you can make shiny tights on the body but only matte tights on the head.
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Just FYI, I don't understand this request. Don't all tights stretch completely over female's breasts? Are you referring perhaps to the pulled up zipper, or the corset?
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Glad to see an official thread along these lines.
As per ideas ...:
1- http://superversity.files.wordpress....icture-310.png -- Looking in particular at small collars, wrinkling on tops an bottoms to indicate looseness an tucking. Boot styles to go with the Tights. Patters on chests.
2- http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/im...s_Vol_3_24.jpg -- Looking in particular at patterns and cape mantles useful for all model types.
3- Small pic, but the best pic I could find atm. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KAzQCT6diq...0/Dominoes.jpg http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books ..Looking at the mantles, tops, breifs and large belts .
4- Looking at patterns, overlapping robe tights that work as tights and shirt collars. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/LSH37.jpg
5- Given the option for tights, an idea.. masks with the eyes whited out. And as noted by others we need some masks for skin types where the 'white' or at best, non-black colour that actually doesn't have transparency.
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I really have to agree with this. The incomplete bits really bug me. The lack of sleek tights for gloves is crazy. Other people have pointed out some of the other gaps. I don't remember where all the problems are, but it bothers me every time I run into them in the costume creator.
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My biggest preference: -- COMPLETE any incomplete patterns! Many patterns don't have all pieces available. Also, Tights Sleek don't have gloves, boots, or face mask equivalents. Etc. Complete all of those! |
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I hope the last thread was still taken into heavy consideration, particularly the post by SilverAgeFan on page 2, he covered all the bases.
I won't derail the thread with why I think closing the GA/SA thread wasn't the right approach, but I will say that these ideas deserve multiple packs, and a higher priority.
That being said,
Better overall textures, update what we've already got without going overboard with details. More patterns, and a steady stream of new patterns. Raised up cowls and domino masks.
Also, make it so we can put tight sleeves beneath those short flared glove models we already have.
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Just FYI, I don't understand this request. Don't all tights stretch completely over female's breasts?
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The current in-game ones don't - they follow the shape of the breasts, and dip in the middle, when they should be stretched across, especially when the breasts are pushed together.
Stretchy fabric on the chest follows the outsides of the breasts, then the front of each one, but it doesn't dip between them and cover the insides of them as well - it stretches across from the front of one to the other. |
I would love to see old tights redesigned to bring up to par with current tight designs in game and development So I put full support behind A and C.
Glowing tights like this would fit in category C.
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A and B
I'd like to see all the Tops with Skins and Bottoms with Skins patterns made into tights with textures.
For example, I'd love to see Bandeau Sleeve, Mod Sleeve and Thorns with similar textural elements as Tank Top, Excess Plus or Witch Lace.
I think most of that falls in A but I'd like to see some B thrown in and the occasional current trend of periodic stuff like C (with Defense, Olympian, etc.).
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Here's an experiment that even the boys can do at home - take a couple of oranges, and push them into a sock - then see how the fabric doesn't hug the whole surface of each oranges, but instead stretches between them, always taking the straighest path from one point to the next - that's the way stretchy fabric really works with breasts.|
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Like gameboy1234, I am having difficulty understanding this request. Please post many images--drawings or perhaps photos of real-life models--to illustrate the design concept. Doing so will help promote shared understanding. Thank you.
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Now take out one of the oranges, and put it in a separate sock, and then hold it together with the other one - that's how the current in-game spandex works - it acts as if the single piece of fabric used in the top is actually two separate pieces, one for each breast.
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Please complete any patterns which have only 1 or 2 pieces to them. 50/50* is the first that come to mind. And Matte... although I suppose that's more a texture than a pattern.
I would love to see more patterns in general, actually. Complex, simple, solid, faded... anything.
Also, I support Todogut's excuse to see more breast imagery. I understand what Golden Girl is saying... I just want to see more. =)
*I know there's a problem with asymmetry when it comes to tights patterns (because the arms have to be the same color when they hit the gloves portion) but obviously the same workaround for the mask patter can work here.
Something tells me Todogut is fresh out of socks. Or oranges.
Some say that the Defense and Olympian Guard base textures cover this style fairly well. Do you agree?
As for masks, I'll keep it simple. It should look like something form fitting has been pulled over the head, rather than a bald head painted to look like the mask. Few-to-no seams, but no visible ears either.
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