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Posted on: 2012-01-16 10:49 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Edana View Post
Unique pieces in the costume generator of an MMO. The mind boggles.
I guess I wasn't overly clear. I intended my post to point out some cool NPC unique pieces that I would like to have as well as an idea for art direction. However, I must thank you for your completely useless/non-contributing post/attack on me. Speaks volumes, really

 

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Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
This is the essential take-away, I think. Regardless of what we do, everyone's expressing a similar interest in adding realism/modern textures to these costume pieces. So we could potentially do a few things:

--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
--add new tights w/ heavy folds
--add new tights w/ other basic textures (leather, etc.)

And as a related side note, I'm seeing plenty of interest in:

--masks
--tights geo variation (trunks, skirts for men, jodphurs, etc.)

(this is where we get into the Golden Age super-hero stuff--probably why the two topics became conflated in the first place).

I think that's pretty much the consensus, David. As was discussed with trends in superhero costuming thanks to the recent live-action movies, we can see that modern textures look good on characters and we're becoming conditioned to accept that this is the norm.

And that's a good thing!

A and B would be my votes because despite C being what's out there in the movies, the gap is the older-school Golden Age costumes that are the legacy of this game's history (and I find it laden with irony this is being discussed in the same week Statesman is being killed off in Who Will Die).

The modern sets are more than getting their due (I think the Olympian Guard set is precisely what 'Modern Age' costumers are looking for) and keeping that seperate is a good thing. And as others have posted, there's been a lot of modern costume options. It'd be nice to see the other end of the spectrum represented.


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Originally Posted by Liquid View Post
I'm actually happy with the original 2004 tights themselves as a base. I think the best things you could do to add more "superhero" options would be to make new, simple tights patterns, and add some improved versions of some of the old ones that have issues. For example, the color/skin blending on the old tights with skin patterns when using a grayscale color is something that bothers a lot of people (as I said in the old thread, make them more like Tank Top, so they're opaque when white or grey).
This is something that has long frustrated me. If we could get opaque versions of the tights options (and masks), that would be FANTASTIC.

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I'd also like to see upgraded versions of the "with skin" options that match the Sleek tights, both for Tops with Skin and Bottoms with Skin. I'd like to be able to make a sleek leotard with exposed legs (which would require sleek "bikini" bottoms), or a sleek Tanker top to match with sleek leg tights.
That'd be neat, too.

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Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
This is the essential take-away, I think. Regardless of what we do, everyone's expressing a similar interest in adding realism/modern textures to these costume pieces. So we could potentially do a few things:

--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
--add new tights w/ heavy folds
--add new tights w/ other basic textures (leather, etc.)

And as a related side note, I'm seeing plenty of interest in:

--masks
--tights geo variation (trunks, skirts for men, jodphurs, etc.)

(this is where we get into the Golden Age super-hero stuff--probably why the two topics became conflated in the first place).
Would it be possible to give us a rough idea of how many pieces and textures we'd get in the pack, so that we can try and narrow the requests down to the most basic stuff?

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Masks please!

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The domino mask has already been mentioned.

Boots please!

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2: One with a zipper pulled down.
And don't forget it's brother version (I'd have liked to have pasted the picture into the message like others, but I am unfortunately unlearned in the ways of doing these advanced internet tasks, so please follow the link).
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As for basic tights, as I mentioned in the other thread, I would like to see scale armor, a la Aquaman and Deathstroke, tops and bottoms for both sexes, including briefs and tights for both. I think these would be versatile enough to lend themselves to a variety of concepts, including aquatic and reptilian for beast types, and fantasy or urban armor toons.
I would also like to see the Impervium cape texture translated into full-blown tights, gloves and boots. It's a great looking cape that's left to hang there (no pun intended) without anything that matches it. Not that it doesn't look good with a variety of other pieces, but having a texture or tights that match would be useful.
I think having a mix of things, from Golden Age with seams and folds and creases to look like real cloth, to sleek modern things like Impervium and it's ilk, like a small honeycomb pattern, would be the best of both worlds.

 

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As a fan of modern comic books who has tried to but can't stomach the comics of older generations, I just wonder-- my goodness, how did fans ever let them get away with that hee hee.

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Also, this may be getting away from the intent, and if so, I apologize, but I would love to be able to add patterns and textures to things like Tanker top and Tank Top for both guys and gals. You only get the one style of each, and it's limiting. Surely a few new options for these pieces wouldn't be too hard to come up with?

 

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As a fan of modern comic books who has tried to but can't stomach the comics of older generations, I just wonder-- my goodness, how did fans ever let them get away with that hee hee.
I think the shoes are unique and others have been making requests for scale textured briefs. I do agree however that the overall combination is "interesting".

 

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As a fan of modern comic books who has tried to but can't stomach the comics of older generations, I just wonder-- my goodness, how did fans ever let them get away with that hee hee.
I have this theory that the whole bare-legged-boy-sidekick thing goes back to the days when short pants were literally considered to be children's clothing. Graduating from shorts to trousers was a milestone for a boy of 9-10.

Bare legs (aside from Robin in particular being a stylized circus gymnast or something along those lines) illustrated immaturity in comparison to the fully-clothed mentor hero.

The ****-erotic aspect of things didn't really enter anybody's head until society's mores changed over the course of a few generations.

ObTights: I would be interested in seeing some kind of upper-body tights, with or without long sleeves, that could be combined with a variety of shorts/trunks to give more choice in the men-in-tights and men-in-tights-with-skin arenas. Particularly if the shorts included some kind of girdle; that is, in the sense of "girding your loins", not as in a tummy reducer. I'm thinking of something along the lines of shorts attached to the boxing belt, or maybe a stylized codpiece.

 

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Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
The way I'm envisioning the modern/movie look would be pretty different from the Defense/Olympian guard stuff--definitely distinctive enough to merit a new set. It'd also be fairly plain for maximum customization. A subdivided version would be somewhat less plain, but still versatile.

I'm seeing some interest in such a set, but overall, my read is that it appears to be a lower priority than "old school" tights.
Yeah, old school tights come first. Something I'd love to see is a Tights version of the old Rocketeer style jacket. The jacket is just... bulky and adds about two inches to the chest on all sides. Now a tights version of that would be awesome.

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We're not taking anything away. Old painted-on look will still be available, but artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look.

Any new creases or seams would be quite subtle anyway.
The problem with a more realistic look, with creases and seams, is that it would not play well with some patterns. Straight lines would look silly if they intersected a crease in the texturing of the tights. As for seams, they would likely fall in an unrealistic place on some of the blockier patterns, where the seams should logically be at the demarcation between the two colors, in many cases replacing the "default" side and shoulder seams. It would make the pattern look like it's painted onto the suit, and would not look realistic.

Edit: Actually, that Moonstone image is exactly what I'm talking about. There is a clear seam between the white and gold parts of her costume. Also, the princess seams further accentuate the design. If those weren't there, and the costume just had the side seams, or even worse a seam down the center, it wouldn't look right.

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Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
This is the essential take-away, I think. Regardless of what we do, everyone's expressing a similar interest in adding realism/modern textures to these costume pieces. So we could potentially do a few things:


And as a related side note, I'm seeing plenty of interest in:

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--tights geo variation (trunks, skirts for men, jodphurs, etc.)
Please include on that list an alternate geo for the female bustline. Currently the tights are form fitting, like a cupped bra. Tights geo that stretched from breast to breast covering the cleavage would be an excellent option, especially if existing textures could be mapped to this alternate geo.

 

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I have this theory that the whole bare-legged-boy-sidekick thing goes back to the days when short pants were literally considered to be children's clothing. Graduating from shorts to trousers was a milestone for a boy of 9-10.

Bare legs (aside from Robin in particular being a stylized circus gymnast or something along those lines) illustrated immaturity in comparison to the fully-clothed mentor hero.

The ****-erotic aspect of things didn't really enter anybody's head until society's mores changed over the course of a few generations.
Not at all. You have to understand that Robin first appeared in Detective Comics #38, in April 1940. It was pretty common for heroes of the Golden Age to have bare legs. Here are just a few.

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Hey, folks. There's been some interest in the basic tights category lately, so let's talk about it in depth. If we were to make some new BASIC TIGHTS options for the game, what would you want to see?
Some of the NPC ones for general use like Longbow and Crey Paragon Protector patterns. Lot of us make Longbow and PP characters; the patterns would add variety. I know that crosses into NPC outfits but those two have spandex uniforms I'd like to have access to. Same for the Arachnos (widow)patterns on non-villain epics.


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Some options to consider:
A) revamped old school/spandex tights similar to the ones we already have (adding a few details like seams but still mostly plain)

B) loose-fitting tights with folds (like you'd see in Golden/Silver Age comics)

C) modern super-hero tights (w/ ribbing, surface texture(s), subdivided surfaces) a la Ultimates 1 or Marvel movies.
On this note: I made an awesome suit. It's currently my favourite blend of parts; a classic spandex uniform torso which use plain tights with the Stripe 3 pattern, Valkyrie 3 shoulders, Justice w/plate gloves, Alpha belt and Vanguard w/plate boots:


Then out came the Defense 'tights' set and when I had a look I realised it was the same pattern as Stripe 4 for males so my awesome suit had a new movie-style variation:


So there's room for both but the tights can be a basis for new outfits with more detail.


As for the loose-fitting: would be nice especially the aforementioned geo-fit where it stretches across protrusions rather than literally skin-bonded. Espcially after seeing the dress from the D-pack.

Oh and also: I'd make the w/skin tights be consistant with the fulltops ie. no tinting that make a white t-shirt look like my females have been in a wet contest of the same name.

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Hi. Most of my characters wear tights (when I think "super heroes", I think tights), so I would love to see more options available.

I like the basic skin tight spandex look, and never use anything with "ribs" or textures or any of that junk. The problem is, when making a hero with just spandex, you've got to do something to make the relative plainness of the costume stand out as unique. Unfortunately, most of the patterns we have don't match up between tops and bottoms, unless you just use the same pattern for both - which isn't very creative (store-bought costumes are lame). I think it would be great if we had more patterns that were mix-n-matchable between tops and bottoms.

Also, heroes in tights (mine anyway) often have chest symbols. What sucks is that most of the symbols are so big that they lay directly over the patterns on our outfits (which looks bad). Currently, if we want to avoid this, we have to either forgo a pattern on our upper body, or are left to pick between one of the few patterns that don't mess up the symbol (I dunno how many characters I have that use the "fat stripe" pattern...). But you see similar stuff all the time. Some chick running around with her chest symbol half on her outfit, and half tattooed to her skin - looks ridiculous.

So I guess my main two suggestions would be…

1. More pattern combinations that match between tops and bottoms.
2. More patterns that don’t get in the way of chest symbols.

Also, I’d just like to say that I’ve been waiting for “super hero tights” to get some attention in the costume creator for a LONG time, so thanks for finally getting around to it!

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Not at all. You have to understand that Robin first appeared in Detective Comics #38, in April 1940. It was pretty common for heroes of the Golden Age to have bare legs. Here are just a few.
So much for that hypothesis. I guess we can be happy that Golden Age Statesman had more of a penchant for the soldier of fortune look.

 

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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
As a fan of modern comic books who has tried to but can't stomach the comics of older generations, I just wonder-- my goodness, how did fans ever let them get away with that hee hee.
Honestly? It's an iconic costume. That's based on 1930's circus performing outfits and it stuck. And there's an element of Robin Hood in there as well. That lasted through two Robins and it wasn't until Jason Todd 'died' that this particular iteration of the costume went with it.


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Please include on that list an alternate geo for the female bustline. Currently the tights are form fitting, like a cupped bra. Tights geo that stretched from breast to breast covering the cleavage would be an excellent option, especially if existing textures could be mapped to this alternate geo.
Personally, I like the stretched-across-the-front look in combination with a cleavage window.

Or armless with some side-action.

For similar reasons I like denim bib-overall shorts, too, but that's for a different themed thread.

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Personally, I like the stretched-across-the-front look in combination with a cleavage window.

Or armless with some side-action.
When we're talking about covering the breasts, we don't mean that it has to have a high neckline - it's the front that needs to be fixed, not the top parts - they can be totally open or totally covered, or have any other kind of neckline - it's just the front that has to be made to look more realistic.

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When we're talking about covering the breasts, we don't mean that it has to have a high neckline - it's the front that needs to be fixed, not the top parts - they can be totally open or totally covered, or have any other kind of neckline - it's just the front that has to be made to look more realistic.
And I'm all for that, just positing some tights w/skin options for it should they pull off the look. I'd like to see it added with full coverage even if they can't add the window.

And if we can add chest details so they don't get mangled by sinking into the cleavage, so much the better.

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I think that an ideal pack would have a new spandex chest, with short sleeved, long sleeved and sleeveless options, and 5 styles for the chest - high collar, window, V-neck, scooped and square.

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My big thing would be making sure that whatever the effects on the tights, the colors match.

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My big thing would be making sure that whatever the effects on the tights, the colors match.
Absolutely, when we get a spiffy set with reflection an/or specular highlights could we also get a matte vetsion without the highlights? That way there isnt such a harsh discontinuity.

Also _please_ reevaluate the shaders on the celestial and ascendant sets. For a given colour in the costume editor the resultant shade doesn't match any of the other pieces. And the shade you see in the costume editor is not the shade you see in game

And please dont pre-bake colours, we know that only two colours is limiting but pre-bakes are even worse!