I feel like we've gotten a fair bit of option C lately, and personally I'd like to see new patterns that explore areas we don't really have anything like yet.
I've posted these before in other threads, but made a few revisions to them, seeing as they are applicable to the discussion. The pics mostly just focus on ideas like asymmetry with tights and could be for all body types (where applicable). The more recent costumes we've gotten have been highly detailed, so I think it'd be nice to get patterns that are more streamlined and simpler/cleaner. These pics tend to focus more on just using lines.
The last two pics also illustrates an idea of mixing other textures, such as reflective areas on tights, which I think could have a really neat look in game.
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Trunks are something like this:|
Originally Posted by Power_Play
Firstly, the Andre the Giant outfit is a version of a singlet. Tights are what cover the legs, and Andre's legs are bare. Likewise, Hogan is in trunks, not tights.
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Which is close to what we have in the game. What Hogan has is more like briefs. We need those.
And I don't recall 'tights' being defined as needing to cover the legs. And, if anything, the singlet and briefs would be an extra to go *over* the tights.
Can we have "sheer tights" option under bottoms with skin? Essentially I want a full version of the sheer parts from pieces like the jungle sheer top, with a solid-colored bikini bottom. Bonus points for making a matching boot texture, like fishnets have. Speaking of fishnets, can we have a version of the female mesh top with a solid-colored bikini, bandeau or tank top? The current version makes our barbie doll anatomy very obvious unless you put a shirt over it, which locks out chest details.
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Noble! Please! Can we have tights with patterns that match from head to toe? If I have a scale pattern, I want it in my mask as well as my gloves and boots. This is my biggest grip with the basic tights.
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masks with white eyes option... tights but not painted on look. Like the jester mask only not metallic and no pointy nose 
... asymetrical patterns for tights... i know someone once said this is tuff to do or something but thats what i would like to see..
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While I agree with you about the masks and skirts, we do have sleek tights options for boots and gloves.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Mostly A with a little bit of B.
My biggest preference: -- COMPLETE any incomplete patterns! Many patterns don't have all pieces available. Also, Tights Sleek don't have gloves, boots, skirt, or face mask equivalents. Etc. Complete all of those! |
What we need, at least for males, is a "tights, smooth" option for boots and gloves. As well as for masks I suppose.
Other requests:
- A "tights muscular" option for females. An option with better/more muscle definition on the abs/arms/legs since the standard "tights" option for women is equivalent to the "tights, smooth" option for men. Add glove, mask and boot selections to match as necessary.
- Dual colors on fishnet pieces so that the bikini and shoes can be a different color than the fishnets if the user desires (see Shorts X/Shorts X + Tights, and Heels 1/Heels 2 options)
- Sheer tights for females as mentioned by a previous poster.
- Trunks (ala boxer-briefs) for males, with and without tights.
- Three-color patterns, if possible.
- An option for flattening or completely removing the ears from characters with the full mask option.
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While I love the modern take on costumes, i.e. the movie style of taking the classic outfit and making it 'reasonable', I feel like that's been touched on enough in CoH right now. I'd love to see more, but I think that the focus should turn towards Golden/Silver age costumes for the moment.
Maybe a Golden Age, then Silver Age, then Modern Age pack? (Maybe even a Liefeld pack with pouches and XTREEM MUSCLES skin patterns. :P)
I'm going to throw my lot in with the A and B options crowd. I love comic books and I want more of them in my comic books-based game.
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This is the essential take-away, I think. Regardless of what we do, everyone's expressing a similar interest in adding realism/modern textures to these costume pieces. So we could potentially do a few things:|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I want tights that look like real material. Generally leather, but quilted, chainmail, and scales are good...
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--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
--add new tights w/ heavy folds
--add new tights w/ other basic textures (leather, etc.)
And as a related side note, I'm seeing plenty of interest in:
--masks
--tights geo variation (trunks, skirts for men, jodphurs, etc.)
(this is where we get into the Golden Age super-hero stuff--probably why the two topics became conflated in the first place).
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Please let this be optional for those of us who also enjoy the tights as they are now. I imagine about three categories of tights: Current, Light detail, Heavy detail. All of them with options to be matte -or- shiny.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
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No. They would be usable as unitards or catsuits but then they wouldn't be actual tights anymore. I realize the painted-on look is only used in comics because it's easier to draw, but the look has become iconic to the genre.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
This is the essential take-away, I think. Regardless of what we do, everyone's expressing a similar interest in adding realism/modern textures to these costume pieces. So we could potentially do a few things:
--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams |
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--add new tights w/ heavy folds --add new tights w/ other basic textures (leather, etc.) |
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Please have the revamp include an upres, thankyou.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
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Actually, that illustration is of what's called "boxer briefs." Boxer briefs and regular briefs are still variations of trunks. As a kid, I wore swim trunks of a style that looked a LOT like the trunks Hogan is wearing. It would actually be good to have both styles available, as the boxer brief style was used a lot in Golden Age costumes.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Trunks are something like this:
Which is close to what we have in the game. What Hogan has is more like briefs. We need those. And I don't recall 'tights' being defined as needing to cover the legs. And, if anything, the singlet and briefs would be an extra to go *over* the tights. |
And tights -are- leg coverings. From dictionary.com:
1. a skin-tight, one-piece garment for the lower part of the body and the legs, now often made of stretch fabric, originally worn by dancers, acrobats, gymnasts, etc., and later made for general wear for adults and children.
2. a leotard with legs and, sometimes, feet.
One other thing. May I enter a plea for multiple layers on tights tops and bottoms, so we can use a pattern and another layer over it, like wide stripes and stars over them, on the legs, like on Statesman's costume? Pweeeeeze! Yes, there would be some combinations that were total train wrecks, but we already have some train wreck combos, so it's really up to the players how they use them.
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Noble Savage, seeing these super hero-y things being brought up for discussion probably makes me one of your top happiest customers. I'm watching and liking what I'm reading; But please-pretty-please remember that no one here is asking ya'll for replacements...we're asking for additional options. Perhaps that's what you intend already. But the word "revamp" worries me a little--I now know what it's like to have to redo a favorite character of mine because his parts have been "stealth-replaced" by shinier, newer [but different] parts. I know there are players out there who can't fiddle with some of their characters at all or else those characters will lose parts that are no longer available in the editor.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
--revamp original tights w/ subtle folds, seams
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The costume parts that are available already are awesome. This game is aging well because its art direction is the finest in the industry, which is why you're still head and shoulders above your "shinier, newer" competition's eye-bleedingly exaggerated and inconsistent and non-immersive art direction (I could go on...).
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This, please. Don't just replace them, add options. Although this seems like a bit of a needless worry; I don't think the devs have ever removed anything due to an update (think the "plus" versions of some tights with skin options).
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Originally Posted by Amendment
Please let this be optional for those of us who also enjoy the tights as they are now. I imagine about three categories of tights: Current, Light detail, Heavy detail. All of them with options to be matte -or- shiny.
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Originally Posted by Brennivin
I don't think the devs have ever removed anything due to an update...
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QR: All three options please and fix masks too.
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Ummmm YES YES YES! This is exactly the kind of designs I've been wanting to see for a while |
Originally Posted by Razorstrike
I feel like we've gotten a fair bit of option C lately, and personally I'd like to see new patterns that explore areas we don't really have anything like yet.
I've posted these before in other threads, but made a few revisions to them, seeing as they are applicable to the discussion. The pics mostly just focus on ideas like asymmetry with tights and could be for all body types (where applicable). The more recent costumes we've gotten have been highly detailed, so I think it'd be nice to get patterns that are more streamlined and simpler/cleaner. These pics tend to focus more on just using lines. The last two pics also illustrates an idea of mixing other textures, such as reflective areas on tights, which I think could have a really neat look in game. |
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They have. There are several of the original masks that were in the game at launch, notably the numbered masks, that are no longer available. |
Originally Posted by Brennivin
I don't think the devs have ever removed anything due to an update
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When the CoH and CoV lists were comibined and re-ordered, those parts went away completely.
There are similar items available, but some were removed completely and never put back no matter how often it was pointed out.
I'm not even counting the Malaise pants that were removed since they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
They have. There are several of the original masks that were in the game at launch, notably the numbered masks, that are no longer available.
When the CoH and CoV lists were comibined and re-ordered, those parts went away completely. There are similar items available, but some were removed completely and never put back no matter how often it was pointed out. I'm not even counting the Malaise pants that were removed since they weren't supposed to be there in the first place. |
I see! Well, then.
*Takes foot out of mouth*
I only started playing after they combined CoH and CoV, so I don't know a lot about earlier days.
Still, my point stands. They haven't removed OLD textures after they've been improved; Excess, Hearts and... The other one are still around even though there are better, more textured versions available.
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I posted this in the All Things Art some time ago, but it seems that this is a good spot to re-post it, especially since patterns have been OKed for the discussion:
We need a pattern that makes the costume Color 1 on the left half, and Color 2 on the right, somewhat similar to this incredibly crappy MS Paint mock-up:
Also, add me to the list of people who want whites that aren't painted on or see-through and masks that are actually masks.
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Append my name to that list as well, please. I've had to scrap several costume ideas simply because the white tights look more like filmy body paint, especially on the "with skin" pieces. |
Originally Posted by Roderick
Also, add me to the list of people who want whites that aren't painted on or see-through and masks that are actually masks.
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Please also count me in with the players asking that everyone remember that when we talk about modernizing or updating costume pieces, we really would like the original pieces to remain usable in game.
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We're not taking anything away. Old painted-on look will still be available, but artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look. |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
No. They would be usable as unitards or catsuits but then they wouldn't be actual tights anymore. I realize the painted-on look is only used in comics because it's easier to draw, but the look has become iconic to the genre.
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Any new creases or seams would be quite subtle anyway.
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When they made metallic parts more reflective during Issue 17 (April 2010), they removed the old metallic parts which looked a lot different-- and not in a bad way, just different. The metallic gloves and boots clashed so badly with the rest of an outfit, I had to completely re-envision one of my characters. Now, I made the whole thing into an opportunity and now he looks even better. But it doesn't mean I'd like that to happen every time these revamps occur. It can be great fun to re-envision a character, but being told you have to for such an arbitrary reason could suck the fun right out of it after several times. I can't speak from experience, but I'm sure there are some readers here who can. |
Originally Posted by Brennivin
Still, my point stands. They haven't removed OLD textures after they've been improved...
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On the other hand, I think of new costume parts as a fracking awesome gift when they come along, and if, for some reason, replacements had to occur, then I would definitely encourage the devs to do it-- and I'd gladly deal with it, and find ways to make the change a positive one for myself. Things change, that's life!
But "stealth-changes" in this category put a frown on my [otherwise completely heroic] face, and if it doesn't have to happen, I'd rather it not!
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A few items have been lost or removed over time for various reasons, but don't worry--current policy is that nothing is to be removed. Any new addition would be in the CC alongside existing options.
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David, thank you for taking the time to solicit ideas from the playerbase.
In terms of tights, I'd be happy with anything that I can color white and not have it resemble bodypaint. That goes for all the 'tights with skin' patterns as well.
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