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Then please get someone who knows what they are doing to re-organise the CC UI.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
A few items have been lost or removed over time for various reasons, but don't worry--current policy is that nothing is to be removed. Any new addition would be in the CC alongside existing options.
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(I say that because a number of the last UI changes have been, shall we say...un-intuitive. Such as the Paragon Market.)
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The Defense set is nice, as are things like Stealth and Ulterior but they're often too detailed for my purposes. |
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
The way I'm envisioning the modern/movie look would be pretty different from the Defense/Olympian guard stuff--definitely distinctive enough to merit a new set. It'd also be fairly plain for maximum customization. A subdivided version would be somewhat less plain, but still versatile.
I'm seeing some interest in such a set, but overall, my read is that it appears to be a lower priority than "old school" tights. |
What I would like the most is some simple textured base layers to which we can then apply all the existing patters and colours. A couple of basic tight suits for chest, pants, boots, gloves that look like leather, more detailed tight spandex, stretchy Latex, some ribbed/textured rubber, Neoprene, ... Maybe some variations and details could be added: with or without zipper, zipper half way, zipper in the front/in the back, bunched up sleeves, ... But those would be just extras, just tossing out what comes to mind.
What IS important though are that to go with those suits would be textured versions of at least some of the 'full masks' and the eye masks. If you try to match the existing masks with the aforementioned things like Defense and Stealth it just doesn't look good from up close.
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David, I have a question: Are you implying you're going to create new Tights With Skin costumes for males and females that include actual geometry or overlapped textures to give the tights some volume, thus not making any more "patterns over bare skin," or are you referring to not wanting to create any more old-style tights with patterns over them?|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
We're not taking anything away. Old painted-on look will still be available, but artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look.
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If it's the former, then... Good on ya! If you can pull that off, I'd use it!
If you're referring to the latter... I have to disagree. Vehemently. I know you've expressed the desire for more photorealism, in previous threads, but creases and crinkles are one thing I never want to see in Tights. Ever. Creases and crinkles are a special effects failure, they're the result of movie-makers being unable to get tights to stick to the skin. That's BAD, and I don't want to see it in this game.
When given the choice, I will ALWAYS pick animation, be it 2D or 3D over live action, because things are impossible to pull off with "non-real" animation methods that live action simply can't replicate. You can pull off a convincing Superman costume with CGI, but as soon as you put a guy in that, you start seeing his package, you start seeing where the costume doesn't fit quite right, you start seeing it stretch and deform and it starts looking like a guy cosplaying as Superman, rather than Superman himself.
Creases and crinkles of ANY magnitude, regardless of their subtlety, would instantly remove any use I might have had for tights at all.
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On a separate note, allow me to offer the following examples of what I've used tights to depict:
That base smooth texture is useful for a lot more than depicting people dressed in spandex. It would make no sense for my girl made of slime to have fabric folds on her body, and the female Fur texture still uses the brown-tinted skin belly that makes it impossible to use for white fur, as it makes the animal look like it's shedding.
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I think he means to resemble Dot's mono-boob look versus the naked dipped in liquid latex look (or having "breast" pockets, one for each). Basically the fabric should span between them than form fitting around them. I would include pictures but it's late.
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It is entirely coincidental that both examples are wearing a similar 1 piece outfit.
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Originally Posted by TheJazMan
I guess I wasn't overly clear. I intended my post to point out some cool NPC unique pieces that I would like to have as well as an idea for art direction. However, I must thank you for your completely useless/non-contributing post/attack on me. Speaks volumes, really
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For us to have unique costume element(s) there would have to be the ability to design your own model/textures either in-game or with an upload link somewhere. Multiply that by a few dozen characters per person and a couple of hundred thousand people and the bandwidth and storage requirements literally do become mind boggling.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Then please get someone who knows what they are doing to re-organise the CC UI.
(I say that because a number of the last UI changes have been, shall we say...un-intuitive. Such as the Paragon Market.) |
Also, can we have a simple tights texture added to the Small Flared/Pointed Gloves so that we can actually do things like this,
....without having to color the characters skin to try and match the tights pattern.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, folks. There's been some interest in the basic tights category lately, so let's talk about it in depth. If we were to make some new BASIC TIGHTS options for the game, what would you want to see?
Some options to consider: A) revamped old school/spandex tights similar to the ones we already have (adding a few details like seams but still mostly plain) B) loose-fitting tights with folds (like you'd see in Golden/Silver Age comics) C) modern super-hero tights (w/ ribbing, surface texture(s), subdivided surfaces) a la Ultimates 1 or Marvel movies. Some say that the Defense and Olympian Guard base textures cover this style fairly well. Do you agree? Notes: in this thread, let's focus on BASIC TIGHTS ONLY. |
I would like A, a thousand times A - but with certain conditions:
*TEXTURE - for example, the texture of the female Tank Top is great! Wonderful. I can wear this in white and not look like I'm naked with an unfortunate skin condition.
*EDGES - would like the fabric (again, just like the female Tank Top) to have a distinct edge, not just stop abruptly - or worse, look fuzzy and frayed.
*UNIVERSAL TEXTURE: I would like whatever texture, fabric, looseness, tightness, whatever - TO BE AVAILABLE AND MATCH EVERYTHING ELSE. If I have (for example) a "matte" outfit, I would like it to match all the different parts, from boots to gloves to cape to mask. Any texture is fine, just PLEASE PLEASE have it match all the different parts of the costume, head to toe.
This is by FAR the most frustrating part of the costume creator - we have dozens of different textures, but none of them (but the original) works with all the different parts of a costume, so we often can't use the nicer textures that are available.
*Please add a "BRIEFS" OPTION FOR FEMALES. I rarely (eg, never) want a 60's bikini bottom that doesn't meet the top of the costume. I rarely want an 80's french cut bikini bottom, either. But lots of times I'd love a 1 piece leotard, a la the old Robin pictures.
*MASKS (cowls, full masks, half masks, cute little cut out masks) WITH TEXTURE AND EDGES.
Thank you!
I personally think that the texture map for tights needs to be fixed to support a single texture that spans an entire geometry, rather than half and then duplicated over the other before you go ahead and make some new textures ... What would this lead to ? ASYMMETRICAL TEXTURES! Which would mean more freedom in making textures/patterns.
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I really wish you would reconsider. HD 'tights' and patterns would be very appreciated by me, a very long time player. Even if it was just to make the seams of the outfits actually look like seams for the most part.
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
We're not taking anything away. Old painted-on look will still be available, but artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look.
Any new creases or seams would be quite subtle anyway. |
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When you say painted on, I hope you don't mean not hugging every curve! You know, the style that generally comes with superhero comics.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
We're not taking anything away. Old painted-on look will still be available, but artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look.
Any new creases or seams would be quite subtle anyway. |
I don't mind having an option where the outfit doesn't, but I don't want to see it become every option either.
Some of us like the comic book look, but still want to see a bit of texture added into it, so it looks like tights, but doesn't look like it's the skin.
Also, sleek bikini bottoms to match with sleek tight tops!
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Don't forget padded gloves as well!
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Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
Also, can we have a simple tights texture added to the Small Flared/Pointed Gloves so that we can actually do things like this,
....without having to color the characters skin to try and match the tights pattern. |
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See that, three colors instead of the two we're limited to. Yes, this means some new creations with a basic black stripe in them already, but it would be nice to have to add a bit more depth to a costume.
Also, when it comes to tights, spread the tight details around a bit! Like give the males the option to use Hacker Detail on tights!
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how difficult would it be to include a third color option?
I'd like to be able to have face paint w/out having to manipulate the character's skin color.
On another note...let us use cigarillos and cigars w/ facial hair >_>
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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
...artistically, I think it's quite unlikely that we'd ever do a new, HD "painted-on" look.
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Does that mean that you would never fix this mess:
To look sharper, like this:
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I'll repeat my previous request that we be allowed to apply more than one pattern to Tights.
And using my previous example, the most obvious use for it would be to allow us to use a pattern like Stripe 1-4 on the upper body and combine it with a background for a chest emblem.
Currently, if we want to have a background for our chest emblem like a circle or a square, our only option is to have the rest of our upper body be one solid color.
Also, you could use a lower body Stripe pattern combined with the vertical Thin Stripe to have almost a football uniform leg stripe going on.
There are thousands more things that would be possible if we were simply allowed to apply more than one pattern at a time to the basic tights.
It would be also be nice, if this could be done, to have Pattern 1 overlayed by Pattern 2, so we can create different overall appearances depending on which pattern we choose as the top layer.
Oh, and what everyone else said too
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I wouldnt say it HAS to myself. But it's okay to have as an option.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
When we're talking about covering the breasts, we don't mean that it has to have a high neckline - it's the front that needs to be fixed, not the top parts - they can be totally open or totally covered, or have any other kind of neckline - it's just the front that has to be made to look more realistic.
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(B) and a bit of (a.) In my opinion we have more than enough of (c) especially with the new Olympian guard. Many of the old tights work okay, except that the patterns have rough pixelation on some of their edges, and all light tones over skin have an odd 'see through' going on. I would LOVE to see some more patterns for tights; I use the 'diablo' pattern far too often, and it's becoming overused. |
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Hey, folks. There's been some interest in the basic tights category lately, so let's talk about it in depth. If we were to make some new BASIC TIGHTS options for the game, what would you want to see?
Some options to consider: A) revamped old school/spandex tights similar to the ones we already have (adding a few details like seams but still mostly plain) B) loose-fitting tights with folds (like you'd see in Golden/Silver Age comics) C) modern super-hero tights (w/ ribbing, surface texture(s), subdivided surfaces) a la Ultimates 1 or Marvel movies. Some say that the Defense and Olympian Guard base textures cover this style fairly well. Do you agree? Notes: in this thread, let's focus on BASIC TIGHTS ONLY. --it's fine to discuss shorts, skirts, and other similar looks --likewise, feel free to bring up related basic accessories (like masks, etc.) --let's not discuss specific genre costumes in this thread --let's keep posts to 1-2 paragraphs please; succinct points will get you maximum impact Thanks! Let's get started. |
I want more patterns. Less like arctic and more like alpha. Stuff that is more defined and solid. Solids look better on lower settings, the busy stuff tends to lose its definition as it gets more and more blurry.
More splits.. left/right, front/back, diagonal.. odd shapes (like the unnamed pattern peices.. pattern 1, pattern 2 or whatever they are called)
The ability to possibly rotate patterns.. say I want the fire stripe to run down the front, back, or inside of my leg rather then just the outside of it.
I would love to mix and match 2 patterns over the same piece and then add pattern rotation oh man the possibilities.
If we could get two patterns on the same part.. and then color those two patterns different colors would have even more customization going from 1 color all the way to 5 colors. (1 base color/material type, pattern 1 primary/secondary, pattern 2 primary/secondary).
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And also the Wristbands, Tied, Bracers, Cloud Bracers, and Dragon Bracers, especially the female models because they don't go all the way back to the elbow, and all of the various skin-showing feet options like male Kung Fu and female Bridal Heels, Strappy, Sandals, and Slip-Ons?|
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Don't forget padded gloves as well!
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Also: Can we get a version of the Blast pattern for male lower bodies' tights that shows skin in the ripped-out parts instead of having a secondary color?
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Just because it may have been glossed over, we need to have the same textures for our masks/cowls as we do for out bodies.
As you can see, there is a seamless flow from neck to head.
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Hopefully I'm not asking something that's already been mentioned...
If older tight options are being updated, could some of the patterns be updated to have glowing options? The design team has certainly being have a hay day with glowing costume pieces, so let them loose on the old tight patterns as well.
Also, asymmetric looks would be great too!
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Actually, it's a 1930s circus strongman outfit. Not kidding. Back then, strongman costumes has capes. The original comics artists used old carnival and circus costumes for basis of the costumes. That, and it's a lot easier to draw skintight outfits.
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So much for that hypothesis.
I guess we can be happy that Golden Age Statesman had more of a penchant for the soldier of fortune look.  |
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we should have had that w/ the Mutant Pack...but that was a swing and a miss...
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As you can see, there is a seamless flow from neck to head.
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