Discussion: Arrrr! The Pirate Costume Power be on sale in the Paragon Market!


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Hmm...identical as everyone else pirate costume that can be easily near replicated in the costume creator for $7.50 or a Beam Rifle powerset. Something about this pricing doesn't appeal.

I 'might' have been interested at 40 points.


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I blame ebay. People were buying/selling the con costume codes for more than this in the past :P I've been fine with the prices on the paragon market until this one, but I would never want it so I'm not *that* bothered by it.


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600 points? Sheesh.

Almost an insult to customers to even think we'd be stupid enough to spend 600 points on such a stupid item. RAWR.


 

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Hi,

Ghost Falcon here, and I would like to thank everyone for providing comments on our “Talk Like a Pirate Day” - Spectral Pirate Costume Power promotion.

We are actively monitoring this thread and the sales data of this item. Both will be used in designing and altering future promotions.

Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.

For additional clarification, this is an account-wide "Permanent" NPC Costume Power, and not a Temporary Power.

I want to thank everyone again for their input.

Thanks,

-Ghost Falcon


 

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Hi,

Ghost Falcon here, and I would like to thank everyone for providing comments on our “Talk Like a Pirate Day” - Spectral Pirate Costume Power promotion.

We are actively monitoring this thread and the sales data of this item. Both will be used in designing and altering future promotions.

Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.

For additional clarification, this is an account-wide "Permanent" NPC Costume Power, and not a Temporary Power.

I want to thank everyone again for their input.

Thanks,

-Ghost Falcon
With that being said I'll toss in my $0.02, and say that even at that sale price, it's way too expensive. Personally I wouldn't pay more than 50 PP for any of the NPC costume powers. But that's just my opinion.


 

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Way overpriced, no thanks. As much as I want the Knives of Artemis costume pieces I would not even pay that much for them.

Better luck next time NCSoft.


 

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I would have to chime in with agreement about the steepness of the price for this particular style of item.

The rare occasions I would use the costume on any of my characters doesn't justify the $7.50 price when an entire new powerset can be purchased for essentially the same price.

Looking forward to future offers though, and it'll be interesting to see how the community manages to help shape the trend of pricing over the next few weeks.


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Sooo... Maybe 3-4 weeks before the Halloween event where this thing drops for Trick or Treating and you wanna charge $7.50/600 points for it??

I'd maybe pay 600 points for ALL the Halloween costumes, never just 1, and not even a good one.

It's good that you are monitoring this thread Devs, because it should be re-titled "How to blow away all the good press you've been getting about your game's relaunch in 30 days or less...." What's next? A Monocle for 10,000 points?




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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.

-Ghost Falcon
No offense, but this is is a jerky marketing move. Make something "limited edition" so you can try and charge extra for it.

Errr, no.


 

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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie View Post
I hope this amssive overpricing is a marketing experiment, from an interning server Hamster that was put out of a job when we switched to Unicorns?
Okay, that made me laugh!
(even though I share the same suspicion)

I was fine with them making an error in their pricing (my opinion) and having no interest in this sale...

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
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Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.
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But that is just... odd.

So... it's being locked in Disney's Vault?


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Ghost Falcon: "We are actively monitoring this thread and the sales data of this item. Both will be used in designing and altering future promotions."

Marketing-speak Translator: If we sell enough of these at the current price, we ignore a few posters and set it as the baseline price.

Ghost Falcon: "Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future."

Marketing-speak Translator: We're trying to inflate demand so buy more costume powers (see previous translation)




Hmm, that can't be right. Need to run diagnostics on my translator.


 

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Damnit, don't make me have to agree with je_sais.

So, this is like, an experiment, right? Where someone is throwing prices at the wall and seeing what sticks, and prices that get laughed off the wall never come back. Right?

Edit: At the top end, I figure I might pay as much as $2 in points for a costume power that I really liked and was account wide. $7.50 is not even close.


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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
So... it's being locked in Disney's Vault?
That made ME laugh, but it's apparently where they're getting their inspiration!

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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA View Post
No offense, but this is is a jerky marketing move. Make something "limited edition" so you can try and charge extra for it.
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Originally Posted by FallenValkyrja View Post
Way overpriced, no thanks. As much as I want the Knives of Artemis costume pieces I would not even pay that much for them.
Agreed, and agreed, and I want the KOA costume pieces too! But...agreed. I wouldn't pay that much for a KOA costume pack, much less a "toggle costume."
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Where someone is throwing prices at the wall and seeing what sticks, and prices that get laughed off the wall never come back. Right?
Prices that get laughed off the wall go back to "focus groups" or "test markets" or some other circle of Hades. Although they seem to be treating US as the test market guinea pigs, as they sort of did with "Live Server Beta Testing" recently.


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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution View Post
I blame ebay. People were buying/selling the con costume codes for more than this in the past :P I've been fine with the prices on the paragon market until this one, but I would never want it so I'm not *that* bothered by it.
Ehh. Were those bid-based sales, or fixed price? Because if they were bid-based, then the price was that payed by the person who wanted it most, at a time when it was a limited supply item. That kind of price shouldn't guide what they charge for something if they want lots of people to buy it, and not just the folks willing to pay the most to have it.


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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Hi,
Hello.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Ghost Falcon here, and I would like to thank everyone for providing comments on our “Talk Like a Pirate Day” - Spectral Pirate Costume Power promotion.
I'm sure, like bitter medicine, you would rather not hear the comments from your customers. What you seem to not understand is that your prices are just too high. A permanent Halloween costume is not the equal of a full power set. You seem willing to drag this game into the same mud as EVE did with their $90 monocle.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
We are actively monitoring this thread and the sales data of this item. Both will be used in designing and altering future promotions.
If you think what you are hearing is solely due to the promotion, you are completely wrong. The price point is insane.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.
I have to say that the hits just keep on coming. You don't compound one bad move with another. You lose the trust of your customers that way. I'm sure that if I said exactly what I want to say about this policy that I'd be banned from the game.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
For additional clarification, this is an account-wide "Permanent" NPC Costume Power, and not a Temporary Power.
Given that it is (at least) four times what it is actually worth even on sale, even as an account wide and permanent power. I think you need to re-examine your pricing policies for the entire store.




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Someone's pricing these things in a greedy, money-grubbing way. There seem to be two different people doing Paragon Market pricing.
One is actually considering what other things are worth and have been sold for, and the other is vastly overpricing everything.
I take it that the latter person was the one who priced this power.


 

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Let me just /sign pretty much everything that's already been said. Putting this thing, price wise, at the same level as Beam Rifle is simply insane. I *might* pay 50 pts for a costume toggle power. Heavy emphasis on *might*.

- The Beam Rifle cost was perfect. Bought without blinking an eye.
- The Rocket Board cost was perfect. Bought without blinking an eye.
- The *SALE* cost for 6x Server Transfer was pretty good. Bought after a few blinks.
- This price for a costume toggle was instantly rejected outright in my mind before I had a chance to blink.

That's a pretty big disparity in my reaction.

In the same vein, I was shocked when I went to see how much unlocking a 6th+ costume slot would be. 800 points! 800? 800. When I can save and load costumes at will to/from my hard drive, this price is just ridiculous. I honestly expected the price to be around 50-100 points or so.

And, there really ought to be something for sale at lower price points. I have 30 points remaining from my shopping spree, and there's nothing (that I could find) at that price point. There should be some miscellaneous flotsam that can be priced down there.


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The price is not right. The price is too damn high. $7.50 for a low-res, single gender only costume with some transparency. A costume that was made back in 2007. A thing that is just a little cheaper than a -brand new- power set, that's also a permament global unlock for that account.

It's just ridiculous. Would you honestly pay for that? Would you pay 600 points for that costume when for 640 you could get Beam Rifle? Or for 800 two bundles of costume parts rather than a single power that does -nothing- and isn't customizable?


 

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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
By pricing on sale a costume code that would require even VIP players to spend money in a theoretical case, Paragon is making it clear that they do not believe being a VIP subscriber is enough in itself and that they expect all players, no matter what their status, to spend real money at the Market if they wish to take advantage of specials.
Did anyone really think that VIP players were not going to be expected to pony up real money in this new business model? Since they seem to be unable to control the constant bleed of subscribers, they're going to have to nickel & dime the fewer & fewer remaining diehards as much as possible to keep the sinking ship afloat.


 

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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon View Post
Hi,

Ghost Falcon here, and I would like to thank everyone for providing comments on our “Talk Like a Pirate Day” - Spectral Pirate Costume Power promotion.

We are actively monitoring this thread and the sales data of this item. Both will be used in designing and altering future promotions.

Please note that at the end of this sale, the Spectral Pirate Costume will be removed, and will not be available for sale in the Paragon Market again in the near future.

For additional clarification, this is an account-wide "Permanent" NPC Costume Power, and not a Temporary Power.

I want to thank everyone again for their input.

Thanks,

-Ghost Falcon
Here's my feedback on this and a bit on pricing in general:

When I saw in beta that these costume powers were priced at 800pp I figured that you hadn't decided on a sensible price point for these yet and that the 800 figure was just a placeholder. What else could it be, right? The thought that you would consider these costume powers on even footing with full costume sets and flashy new power sets really never occurred to me.

When I saw that the prices hadn't changed on live I actually laughed, in a 'wow I can't believe they think this is a good idea' kind of way.

I'm not trying to be rude, but the whole idea of paying 800pp for just the ability to have some npc model replace my character really is THAT ridiculous to me. You can't even use it in combat for a good number of characters, because it doesn't play well with stealth powers and granite and such.

I'll pay 800pp for full costume sets and power sets (if I like them, obviously). A lot of work goes in those, it usually shows, and I get a lot of fun out of them, so I'll spend my cash on them. 800 points is the upper limit I'll pay for one 'item' that isn't a big swat of playable content (meaning an expansion.)

NPC costume powers don't come anywhere near that price point for me. You can't convince me that they require anywhere near the same amount of work as power sets or costume packs and I'm sure that I won't get anywhere near the same mount of fun out them. *Maybe* if the whole lot of them was bundled in one pack I'd pay that.

In my opinion a costume power is worth somewhere between the 50 and 80 points mark, certainly not more.


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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
Okay, that made me laugh!
(even though I share the same suspicion)

I was fine with them making an error in their pricing (my opinion) and having no interest in this sale...


But that is just... odd.

So... it's being locked in Disney's Vault?
Well Ghost Falcon's post was;

Hey we recognise that osme of you think this is overpriced, like everything, the direction we go with these is fluid, we want to give everyone prices they are willing to pay with in reason, and will see how well this sells when reviewing our prices...

That being said, this is the price we want to charge, so we will attempt to influence you all into buying it by saying " GET IT NAO BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE OR YOU WILL SUCK"

So yeah, I agree with Carni on this one, jerk marketing at it's best, you do realise (re)mentioning that the power will be unavailable atleast for some time (it was made clear in the first post) kind of ruins any statistical viability your metric will have on whos willing to pay what.

I mean, why not put beam rifle up and say, "Oh it costs $50 worth of points, and you have a week from activating your account to buy it or you can never get it again".... wow I can do Marketing too!


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