Am I the Only One Who Has Mixed Feelings About Inherent Stamina?

"The game is too hard, make it easier!"

"Woah, what the hell, the game is totally too easy now, make it harder!"

And then you wonder why the devs aren't listening to you anymore.

Hrm. Personally, I'm sort of happy with it now. Any of my fighting alts which didn't have Hasten due to a tight build can well, take it now, even if they can only put one slot on it, haha. As some has mentioned, either Maneuvers or Stealth for an extra Luck of the Gambler and never use it due to only one slot, or even a primary or secondary power which I didn't take before... only, with one slot.

HRM.

Would it be too much to ask for a few extra slots? o_O Even if Fitness is now free, we still have to dedicate slots onto it to make it work, so any new powers we pick will basically be barebones if we don't want to change our builds too much...

i haven't read through 8 pages of replies, so this might have been said, but i think there should be an alternative to making powers from the fitness pool totally inherent. how about just restructuring the fitness pool? replace with something similar.

The Training Pool!

Survival Training - +8% Def (All) +10% Res (All), duration 20 seconds, recharge 120 seconds
(making it a click power makes it a decent option for a Tier 1 pool power.)

Fitness Training - (Auto) +25% Regen +15% Recovery
(combine health and stamina into one power rather than making it take 3 power selections. give less of a bonus to make it fit as a Tier 1 pool power.)

Athletic Training - (Auto) +100% Jump +30% RunSpd +10% Regen +5% Recovery
(combine Swift and Hurdle for those who want them and include a mild bonus for regen and recovery for those willing to dedicate a second power toward it. Absolutely optional, but reasonable, Tier 2 pool power.)

Superior Training - (Auto) +15% Regen +20% Recovery +5% Recharge
(progressive bonus keeping with trends of other pool powerset Tier 3 powers. could be made a click power with no overlap, also.)


i think this (or something very similar) would be a far better option than just giving everybody something that a majority of us have sacrificed a whole three power slots for. i've gone to great lengths to create a couple builds that don't need stamina without needing a change in play style. For instance, my level 50 Dark/Elec brute that runs seven toggles almost all of the time (not including the damage aura). Or my level 50 Ice/Icy Dominator that uses Power Boost and Power Sink as well as domination to keep the endurance bar full.

Inherent Fitness and no recovery powers in the pools is the way to go.

End Recovery powers should be removed from pools entirely. A +recovery power pool will always become a "necesity" by most players. People will just 'up their game' till that becomes the new baseline. Everyone will be hurting for endurance and pick the power pool.

I honestly don't think there is enough cheese to compliment the amount of whine in this thread.

This thread makes me give up on humanity.

Reminds me of the threads arguing for 3-day spawn camps and perma-death in Vanguard.

For those who want "the challenge", just don't slot it up and run with just Brawl and no travel powers. There's your challenge.

There is a secondary problem with fitness pool as it exists today: It's a three-pick tax that bites you worst at low levels -- when you already have a serious power shortage. Whether you get Swift or Hurdle, either way, it's probably coming at the expense of having a decent attack chain before level 22. (People with a lot of vet powers may not be experiencing this so much. To those of us who don't have any extra attacks, though, the first twenty levels can be VERY painful.)

If fitness were something that became relevant mostly in the level 40 range, I might find it less obnoxious. As is, the lack of Stamina is devastating at level 11, where you have no way to get decent endredux enhancements; by level 40 or 50, though, you may actually be able to drop it if you've gotten enough endurance reduction and set bonuses to recovery. That pretty much makes it the opposite of an interesting choice about endgame build decisions. For the many builds which are essentially broken if you don't have Stamina at 20, that means two previous power picks (usually somewhere in the 6-16 range) have gone into stuff that isn't letting you make interesting choices, it's just shoring up your movement and regeneration a bit.

Inherent stamina? Single Perf. Shifter proc and call it a day.

I'm just curious...and I understand if we have no info yet.

Any date on i19?...I'm just wondering if I might hit level 50 before it comes out.

I will be looking at all my builds regarding this change. The thought of doing 48 respecs really scares me though. i already know that I will respec most of my tanks and brutes. The scrappers I could care less. The Blasters might get that extra utility power I skipped. The controllers will all at least pick up recall friend for pet movement. The dominators probably the same. I will look at the leadership pool for corruptors and defenders that dont have it already. Some toons I wont even respec, but I will know very shortly exactly what I am going to do.

This topic proves that people will REALLY complain about ANYTHING.

This isn't directed at any one poster in this thread, but y'know I've been thinking about this subject (MMO difficulty) a lot lately. Here's my take (be patient, this may take a bit):

The business model of an MMO is to get players hooked and then keep them hooked as long as possible so they keep paying. In order to do that content needs to be accessible to as wide an array of people as possible. Also, difficulty has to be at a level that the players don't get bored, but don't get frustrated either. Both boredom and frustration are equally bad because they both can ultimtely lead to the player cancelling their account.

But not every player has the same skill level with online games. What seems easy to some is hard to others. So developers are left with trying to figure out a baseline challenge level that works the best for their game. CoH has taken this one step further and made the difficulty level extremely customizable. Players can fiddle with it to get the experience they want.

But how do the Devs figure out what the "base" should be? Data mining statistics like debt accumulation, mission completion speeds, etc. It doesn't matter how many people come on these boards and say "CoH is easy mode," if the data mining shows that the average subscriber is appropriately challenged, then the Devs will view the base difficulty as being where it should be.

My honest opinion? The standard, base difficulty of an MMO is supposed to be relatively easy. It has to be to retain subscribers. Yes that does mean people that are good at computer games will feel unchallenged at times. That's why the Devs gave us a difficulty slider. It's an attempt to appeal to as wide a number of players as possible and keep the subscriber base going. Yes it's a business decision as well as a game design decision. It has to be. So the next time you feel tempted to say "CoH is easy mode" remember that to survive as a business it's actually a good idea in some ways. If you want more challenge, up the slider. Still not challenged? Turn off a toggle or two. We have the ability to create our own challenge, let's get creative and use it.

Well I think I'm done rambling for now.