Stone Armor - Granite Armor

I find the current appearance sufficient but never really liked being mistaken for a Devouring Earth. <_<

An original Granite look would be nice and if it let's us customize, all the better! I would like it if it were possible so we'd still become "Giant-sized" when in Granite form. I love that Granite towers over everyone else. Better yet, let us be able to scale Granite form!

Now, I'm of two minds about this.

On the one hand, I LOVE the huge hulking monster feel of Granite Armour. If anything, I find it isn't huge and hulking enough. In my mind's eye, it's a 50-foot-tall monster That's a big part of what's good about the power, honestly, and it would kind of suck to lose it. Granted, I hate the specific model used, as I don't enjoy looking like a Quarry, but a different, UNIQUE model would be really cool. In fact, if we can get the model to be customizable, I would like that as the best solution.

On the other hand, I think I can work through this. Provided the new animation for Granite were as covering, as big and bulky and visually as heavy as the old one, then I might be able to deal with it. The BIGGEST thing for me is that it does NOT look like Rock Armour. Rock Armour is incredibly small and uncovering, akin to stone slabs here and there on the body. If Granite Armour is going to change, I want to see something either fully-covering or something that only exposes the head. If it becomes too small and light, it would just ruin the feel of the power.

And if you do want to make it smaller and lighter, see if you can't talk to Castle about removing the movement penalties

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Not played a stone tank for a long time due to their bad case of the uglies (when they where still being called turd-tanks, rather than stoners), but having a change to stop all stone tanks looking identicle will be appreciated even from the perspective of having to look at them rather than play them.

And for those who want the size change that comes with the granite, i point you to the science booster pack... its very nice.

It's dangerous to go with the opinion of forumites when it comes to changing a power that's been around for so long, when we represent a small fraction of the playerbase.

I would like for my character to look like my character, not like a generic player like he currently does in Granite.

So my vote is for a change to overlays.

MY issues with Granite are as follows:
1. a minimum heigth toon looks the same a maximum height toon in Granite
2. the automatic gender reasignment that occurs for female stone armor users.
3. there's this hole in the back of the armor I wish I had a picture it bugs me.

I don't know what BaBs is thinking about changing but something needs to happen.

The whole concept of changing into a bulking chunk of rock is the whole idea behind granite, your whole body is covered in rock so your become practically invinsible but as a set back you move slower and do less damage. if the granite effect was changed so vastly that the characters costume was still visiable then this would kinda break Granites concept entirely.

I personally think the best option would be to have a customisable granite, like how you have custom weapons and now, custom powers. If there was a different granite model depending on your body size, which scaled with your height, and you had the ability to change it the same way you can with the other armours in the set, this would make granite really cool IMHO, and i personally think there would be so many more people who would want to see the above than there would to want granite to stay as it is, or have granite become just added rock like the other armours.

I would LOVE to see granite armor changed in this way, one of the only issues i have ever had with the power was that we all looked the same when we toggled it on.

Add my vote to the YES party. Granite armor feels awesome because of the heavy foot steps and the screen shake. If you can keep those things, but give us a nice design that still shows us underneath the armor, I am ALL for this change.

BRING ON THE CUSTOMIZABLE ARMOR!

My main character is a Stone Brute.

Absolutely change it. I've never liked Granite and have actually avoided building my character around the power so that I don't have to run around constantly looking exactly like every other stone brute.

Would it be possible, BaB, to give the current costume a monochrome, granite-looking color, including the skin, when you activate Granite, but otherwise look like the costume? I'm thinking of what Kevin from Ben 10: Alien Force looks like when he creates his skin of armor from what he absorbs. You can still see his features and what kind of clothes he's wearing, but it's a solid color.

This would allow people to keep their costume look (colors withstanding), wouldn't make the size bigger if people prefer to play smaller sized characters, and wouldn't be yet another layer of chunky armor like the other stone armor powers. By doing this, I would assume you'd also allow for tinting of the second-skin armor, or else we'd be back to the same thing we currently have, but without swapping the character model.

I'd like to come down more strongly in the revision camp, but there's a question I need to ask first. Is there going to be code in such that power geometry respects the physique slider?

To see what I mean by this, try creating a Female Spines/ with the physique slider as thin as it can go, and then a Huge Spines/ with the physique slider as fat as it can go. Note that the Spines are "anchored" in the same points around the skeleton of the character regardless of the physique settings, so that the spines appear to project much further from the thin female than from the bulky huge. As another example of this behavior, consider that the female Rock Armor geometry has to be bulky enough in the chest to accommodate a chest slider set all the way to the right.

If the geometry of the new Granite armor acts in this way, then at least one of two things would be true - either a sufficiently bulky character would swallow up the geometry within its own geometry, or the geometry would be sufficiently thick to accommodate any build - which means, in particular, the biggest possible build. It might be possible for that to look good, but I'd be much more in the revision camp if the new Granite geometry was capable of respecting the physique settings. That said, the current Granite doesn't even respect the gender or height selections, so any change that did would still be a step up in my opinion.

I would definately vote for a change that allowed for customization and seeing your character.

I would absolutely be all for it, however I don't feel your description of the issue is clear enough. When you say "the new pieces will be overlayed" does that mean that the old-form Granite Armor shapeshift model will be gone completely, giving us instead a "Redux Version" as I call it that resembles Old Granite but instead sits atop our characters like the other toggles?

Your wording seems to suggest this, but I'm hesitant to vote one way or the other without seeing the "what if" details.

Though to be honest, not being able to color Granite at all was a major letdown so I'd be leaning yes anyway.

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus This entire post should receive some kind of award for being both hysterical and fantastic. Well done.

BABS Don't do it! The only change I would like to see in Granite Armor would be the customization option of using the Devouring Earth's granite form with that cool looking granite crown thing.