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Problem here is that a lot of these can already be kind of done with existing powersets, about the only thing missing from them is a "prop", something I notice seems to be common among most magical girls is their attacks coming from a wand, scepter, or something similar.|
Originally Posted by MishiiLove
Omgosh! This would going so well with!!
Power Set: Primary - Heart Blast Unicorn Ray Glitter Beam Star Boost Rainbow Smash Kiss Of Life Sparkle Crush Justice Hammer Love Stamp Secondary - Glitter Spray Happiness Ring Hearts Reserve Escalation Beauty Divine Moonlight Shadow Sweet Treat Stuffed Delight Power Of Love |
Heck, my own magical girl character made good use of archery, energy manip, a schoolgirl costume, and an incredibly magical girly name (Sakura Tenshi) to really fit her concept.
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City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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What is this of MLP: FIM? I unfamiliar of such term.
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Umn I guessing that is cute.. a little. I like one with silly eyes but it seemingly strange
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Umn I guessing that is cute.. a little. I like one with silly eyes but it seemingly strange
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And here come the sweeping generalizations of both anime and Western comics. Oh, I love these threads. /sarcasm
Right. I keep seeing Bleach, Dragon Ball Z and One Piece referenced here. That's all one very specific subset of the anime universe. For every Bleach style show, you also have your Cowboy Bebop. For every harem rom-com, you have your Berserk. For every magical girl show, you have your Dead Man Wonderland.
If you're going to reference City of Heroes to anime and manga, you should start with something that is closer to City. Take Tiger and Bunny, or Book of Bantorra (or any other anime show that has your X-men variety style of powers, like Darker than Black or Full Metal Alchemist.)
This at least gives you something closer to build upon and compare. Only referencing shounen style shows is like only looking at the Marvel side of western comics and completely ignoring DC, Image or others.
Ratman.
Tiger and Bunny.
Moldiver (real blast from the past that one.)
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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You know, this thread's made me realize something: the biggest difference between Anime heroes and Comicbook super heroes is that (usually) anime heroes have a fairly narrow focus in adversaries compared to a Western Superhero.
These enemies may or may not actually commit 'mundane' crimes, and, ironically, a lot of anime heroes are more likely to fight mundane crimes in their civilian personas. Anyway though, let's look at some examples: Batman's enemies include The Joker (Insane Clown [s]posse[/s], but otherwise normal dude), Mr. Freeze (love/revenge motivated scientist in a cryogenics suit), Poison Ivy (Plant/Nature controller), Raz Al-Ghul (immortal machinator who is immortal via magical hot springs (I'm sure there's a fic somewhere where Raz mistakes Jusenkyo as Lazuras Pits)), and Catwoman. As you can see, Batman's enemies fill in a BROAD spectrum, some of which is the result of other writers and the natural evolution of time. Now let's look at... |
Batman created by Bob Kane
The Joker created by Jerry Robinson and Bill Finger
Mr. Freeze again by Bob Kane
Poison Ivy by Robert Kanigher and Sheldon Moldoff
Ra's al Ghul by writer Dennis O'Neil and artist Neal Adams...
What I see as the difference, to me, is a comic character creator created a world and a character and wrote about that character in that world and then other guys kind of jumped in and make 'fan-fic' involving that character with their own made-up ones. It's just for American comics, those 'fan-fic' stories are renamed 'canon' so long as the original creator says "Yeah, whatever. That's cool".
I don't have a problem with it, but the difference you're seeing is input from multiple guys putting their spin on a character and his group of adversaries.
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| Then there's Monkey D Luffy who's enemies include: pirates, pirates, more pirates, marines, and a small handful of others (okay, I don't really watch one piece, but this is fairly accurate, right?) And for all his bouncing around, Luffy too is actually able to focus on one type of enemy for more than one storyline. |
Captain Buggy: a pirate with a crew
Crocodile: an ex-pirate/shichibukai (ex-pirates with extremely high bounties) who no longer has a crew but headed a secret organization created by himself to conquer a country
Enel: a cultist leader who rules over a county in the sky by pretending to be God
Magellan: warden of the most impenetrable, inescapable prison in the world
Any of the 4 top dogs in the military: who protect the world from pirates but also by keeping world changing secrets from the public's knowledge
There's plenty of difference between each foe he faces and the circumstances between them. Some are dogs of the government, some *ARE* the government, some manipulate the government and some just don't care about laws. To state that pirates are just pirates and marines are just marines seems inaccurate. How is Scarecrow, Bane or Penguin any different from each other or the Joker? Their motivations? Their clothes? Their attitudes? Newsflash: any foe I list of Luffy's will have differences in a list of categories as well, you just have to actually know the story just like you'd have to know Batman's to tell the difference between bank-robbing villain #3 and #4.
Also, to my knowledge, the story, characters and world of One Piece is maintained by one man where for Batman, he's probably had hundreds of writers...so there's that difference. Each character in One Piece is more often than not based on inspirations or people that Eiichiro Oda knows, such as basing some of the pirate characters off of people he met in real life.
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Back on the West side, even groups who might not be called super heroes still fight a broad range of enemies. The Manhattan Clan of Gargoyles fought: Fair Folk, another Gargoyle, vikings, evil magicians, robots, cyborgs, MacBeth, and a corporate executive who makes Nemesis look like Shirou Emiya when it comes to plotting. Gargoyles didn't even have the enormous run length Superman, Batman, Iron Man, and other super heroes do but the Manhattan Clan still suffered from nemesis ADHD. Speaking of Shirou Emiya, here's his opponent rundown list: Magicians, souls of ancient heroes summoned by said magicians, black stuff, and (in a possible future) mundane soldiers/mercs. I use Shirou here since he does list his life goal as becoming a Hero of Justice. |
I think the reason I like anime is, sort of unlike most american comics, it has a beginning, a middle and (most importantly) an end. Not that comics don't ever end, but they have a higher tendancy to completely conclude at some point or at least seem to indicate a stopping point by some finite limit of time. The true american comics seem to want to go on forever regardless of how much they change...The Gargoyle's example above seems to be more like an anime than a comic (it's neither so not even sure why it was brought up) since there seems to be a concluding point for our protagonists. Batman and Spiderman will go on forever and ever.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Problem here is that a lot of these can already be kind of done with existing powersets, about the only thing missing from them is a "prop", something I notice seems to be common among most magical girls is their attacks coming from a wand, scepter, or something similar.
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I assume you mean forum hate and not developers. After all we got anime inspired armor (think hardsuits from Bubblegum Crisis) and sailor/school uniforms years ago and more recently titan weapons and mecha armor.|
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I've been going about the fora for a while, and I've noticed that many posters hold no love for the idea of adding anime-inspired, well, anything to the game. I never understood why this was. I mean, there's no rule that says superheroes need to fit Western standards...Son Goku and Ichigo Kurosaki are just as much superheroes as Batman or Spidey.
So I have finally come to this particular forum to pose the following question: Why all the Manga hate? (And for Pete's sake, please try not to flame.)  |
Some people simply dislike the art style. They don't like the big eyes, the short impracticable school uniforms on girls, the pretty boys with the emo hair.
Maybe they don't look beyond a story genre they dislike, whether it's giant robots or harem or magical girl or overpowered school boys or excessive fan service. Hate one, gotta hate em all.
Maybe because some of the longer running series are longer running simply because of the excessive filler (DBZ fights or Bleach side stories for example) inserted into them simply because the anime is covering the manga faster than the manga is being written.
And maybe, just maybe they can feel better about being a comic book fan by deriding anime/manga fans. It's not like someone sells a Squirrel Girl body pillow cover.
Edit: And if they did do a line of female super hero pillow covers, would Wasp be throw pillow size?
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I think there is a subset of gamers who have gotten it in their heads that they have to do some kind of backlash against anime and japanese thigns in general because they have seen a few cases (or more likely heard of a few cases) where people lose perspective with it...pretty much like any fan subgroup. add some 4-chan stupidity and a sprinkle of mild racism/xenophobia and viola'. the stupidity is not too strong on this forum, and some of the less hostile forms lead back to the idea that this game was at one time (i have not seen this, but im something of a latecomer just pre issue 1) as a straight up silver age game. manga and such being outside of both the genre and the time frame in a lot of people's recollection and i can understand, if not sympathize, with such a viewpoint. The good news though is coh does ok with costume and power selections that reflect broad but popular callbacks to anime.
yeah, we dont have the big rumiko takahashi eyes(which amusingly enough, actually originated in western cartoons and impressed osamu tezuka so much that he borrowed it as a stylistic device) and the body types really cant ull off the streamlined "lean and athletic" look a lot of shojo anime males can pull off, but we can make a passable sailor suit, a passable guys school uniform, a large number of powersuit options, the shuriken attacks in martial assault pretty much scream naruto, we have a lot of psychic character options, and katana was in the game day one, albeit with broadsword's animations, despite being in a "silver age" game, i have heard that we may even have an isolated nekomimi in virtue's pocket d. I'm of course always agitating for more because I have generally preferred manga to western comics, but we do ok, and we keep doing better. and outside of the usual suspects, who look amusingly anachronistic ranting about it, like an old man ranting about kids these days and their dad-gummed scooters, people seem generally ok with it.
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I'm not sure where the idea of Manga-hate comes from.
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i see no problem with this, i welcome the idea of anime base characters in this game with open arms 
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And here come the sweeping generalizations of both anime and Western comics. Oh, I love these threads. /sarcasm
Right. I keep seeing Bleach, Dragon Ball Z and One Piece referenced here. That's all one very specific subset of the anime universe. For every Bleach style show, you also have your Cowboy Bebop. For every harem rom-com, you have your Berserk. For every magical girl show, you have your Dead Man Wonderland. If you're going to reference City of Heroes to anime and manga, you should start with something that is closer to City. Take Tiger and Bunny, or Book of Bantorra (or any other anime show that has your X-men variety style of powers, like Darker than Black or Full Metal Alchemist.) This at least gives you something closer to build upon and compare. Only referencing shounen style shows is like only looking at the Marvel side of western comics and completely ignoring DC, Image or others. |
Goku isn't Japan's Superman, He's Japan's Kevin Sorbo Hercules. Maybe their Marvel-Verse Thor.
He's not a super-hero, He's a super-powered Sci-fi fantasy hero. Nothing wrong with that, and his costume elements and powers would do fine in this game, but it's not the same. Give me my Riders and my Rangers!
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Goku isn't Japan's Superman
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Most people who make this comment had never seen the original Dragon Ball series when he was just a young boy who happen to be very strong and simply wanted to become the best martial artist in the world to help people.
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People see very shallow similarities and make assertions that sort of over-state the relevance of these to the character(pretty much everyone in the setting is exactly like that by Z, is Vegeta the "Superman of Japan" now?), the nature of both characters,(Goku spent most of his time hiding out in the woods, or the afterlife, training pretty much just for the sake of training and getting stronger, and would only show up when something threatened the world at large or threatened him and his family personally, Superman lived amongst the people of Metropolis and was there for everything from purse snatchers to major disasters)|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well not officially. But people see similarities. Alien by birth (possible retcon), super strong, can fly (but it was a learned skill), can be tossed through buildings and survive attacks that reduce mountains (acquired through power escalator as the series went on).
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not to mention an homage to a long-running actual Japanese superhero.
Nobody in Dragon ball Z and any of it's heirs(Bleach, Naruto, One Piece) Are superheroes because pretty much all of these shows have done the Super-hero bit at least once. And it was a different gimmick from the actual show.
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That's Derpy. Derpy is awesome.
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And occasionally dressed in drag and peed in the bushes in front of people! |
Father Xmas takes me back: Most people who make this comment had never seen the original Dragon Ball series when he was just a young boy who happen to be very strong and simply wanted to become the best martial artist in the world to help people. |
I thought the original Dragon Ball was great and hilarious!
I hate Dragon Ball Z with the cliché "heat of a thousand suns".
Dec out.
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Goku isn't Japan's Superman, He's Japan's Kevin Sorbo Hercules. Maybe their Marvel-Verse Thor.
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Also, I am amazed at the rate with which this thread was replied to.
One problem I have with people in this kind of argument is, as others have noted, the generalization of all Anime/Manga. Saying, for example, "Rosario+Vampire is the same as Berserk 'cuz they're both manga" is just as stupid as saying "Howard the Duck is the same as Watchmen 'cuz they're both western comics", or "Gigli and The Magnificent Seven are the same 'cuz they're both American live-action films". It's apples and oranges in many cases.
Take Ichigo, from Bleach:
Superhuman powers? Check.
Alternate identity? Dude leaves his body to fight evil.
Protecting the public? Hollows ain't interested in handing out candy and timeshare offers.
The term superhero is a bit wider than some people would like to admit.
Also, Nihilii, Nice. Real nice. I got nothing against you for disliking Anime, but that doesn't give you the right to just dismiss anyone who likes it. Despite what you would have us believe, there are actually many Anime, and many more Manga with mature, non-creepy plots. Grow up, man.
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Anime style pieces are not a good fit for this game imo
i've seen alot of players over the years try and make anime style characters and most of them look pretty bad.....
Def no to new anime pieces. I agreed with a thread a while back that said we needed to bring some more golden age style hero pieces. I think those type of costumes should be higher priority.
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Anime style pieces are not a good fit for this game imo
i've seen alot of players over the years try and make anime style characters and most of them look pretty bad..... Def no to new anime pieces. I agreed with a thread a while back that said we needed to bring some more golden age style hero pieces. I think those type of costumes should be higher priority. |
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If they wanted to attract those fans, they could always just announce the that T rating was now referring the the maximum age of all female NPCs.
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I do like anime, although I admit to waning interest in the grand majority of mainstream series popularized stateside (or I just don't watch it as much in general).
With that said, I'm really indifferent on this issue of adding anime-influenced tropes/costume pieces/what-have-you to CoH. While more options are great, indeed, I think the game also gives people enough tools to craft certain concepts: no one's stopping you from taking a Japanese themed name and crafting a backstory for your personal player info that references those tropes (as long as you don't legit rip-off the properties).
There are other things, but they're just personal annoyances I'd rather not elaborate on.
Of course, I only just realized it was a Mishii post!
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