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Fixed. Might I remind you that nerds may sometimes ruin things, but we also created Doctor Who, Computer Science, and the Electric Guitar.
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Originally Posted by mercykilling
I've -tried- to watch and like anime shows. Really I have. I simply can't. Nor can I fathom -why- anyone would like such tripe. The Final Fantasy games? Tried to like them....didn't. Huge weaponry and over the top martial arts don't appeal to me.
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Eh, sometimes guys get a bit insecure about spending their spare time playing a dress up game with action on the side, so they have to complain about nerds on the forum. Because there's no irony in complaining about nerds on a videogame forum.
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
Fixed. Might I remind you that nerds may sometimes ruin things, but we also created Doctor Who, Computer Science, and the Electric Guitar.
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My character inspired by my Exalted Terrestrial princess wound up a Beast/Nature. I'm almost tempted to switch or make an alt out of a Thug/Nature though. Ah, the many uses of Soul-Stirring Performance.
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The moment I saw titan weapons, I purchased it and made two Exalted*-inspired brutes.
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Issue 4: Colosseum I believe. Back when our costume choices were lumped generally into "spray on spandex", "painted on suit", "baggy clothing" or lumpy armor that breaths. And female characters had skirts and painted on short shorts as an option.|
Originally Posted by Power Armour
When was the Sailor Moon Costume Bundle released?
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IIRC we also got our two shoulder pets (where's my parrot and/or baby dragon) and individual body sliders ("Give em the knee shooters").
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Originally Posted by Crashed
Superheroes are about ideals. The image that a superhero creates for him/herself is about an ideal - Batman's ideal is fear, Superman's ideal is excellence, Captain America's is patriotism, etc. Not all superhero ideals are as straightforward - many are complex. Spiderman, for example, has more of a 'kick-*** underdog' ideal going for him. They are the embodiment of a feeling that the four-color (or whatever) costumes are supposed to trigger on sight. They're flashy, but not unrealistic (generally). When superheroes need to break the rules of reality, they detail it thoroughly so it seems more realistic.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
My character inspired by my Exalted Terrestrial princess wound up a Beast/Nature. I'm almost tempted to switch or make an alt out of a Thug/Nature though. Ah, the many uses of Soul-Stirring Performance.
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I'd had Solar-type as a character here since launch, but she went through many permutations before I settled on TW/SR. I think it's SR.
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Actually, no. I'm not trolling. I was replying with my feelings on the original poster's question. Just because they differ from your own does not make it an attempt to "troll".
Further...it's more of a culture difference. One I simply do not get. Nor do I care to. I realize that my opinion on the matter amounts to about squat, but...it was asked for by the original post question. Why all the anime "hate".
While hate is a bit strong a word for what I feel, I dislike it enough to hope that the devs don't put any more into the game. I'd rather see those creative energies used to oh....I don't know...perhaps port NPC costume items to PC's. Or perhaps add ingame items to base construction. Or NPC tailors in bases. Or Idle NPC's in bases that have scripted responses. Or more zone overhauls. Or more story arcs. There's a long list of things they -could- do, but no. It seems as if the game designers pander to one particular genre of late. One that quite frankly, does sicken me. And no, I don't really care if it offends those of you that like it. You that like it certainly don't care that it offends me. Such has been evident by your responses to my previous post. And yes, I misspelled piece. Sue me.
My days of not taking mercykilling's (or anyone else's) dislike of anime seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
I love having more armor options, and the mecha armor looks great. I already have two characters using bits of it. Possibly more.
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Well, for one, I've never heard of Son Goku or Ichigo Kurosaki. For another, I'm completely unfamiliar with what the ...Eastern? standards are. |
Originally Posted by Kirsten
I've been going about the fora for a while, and I've noticed that many posters hold no love for the idea of adding anime-inspired, well, anything to the game. I never understood why this was. I mean, there's no rule that says superheroes need to fit Western standards...Son Goku and Ichigo Kurosaki are just as much superheroes as Batman or Spidey.
So I have finally come to this particular forum to pose the following question: Why all the Manga hate? (And for Pete's sake, please try not to flame.) |
And what in the world is Manga?
Being an American, I don't care for the cartoon look of CoH as it is - I'd rather have something look more realistic - but I've been told that I shouldn't hold my breath.
From Dictionary.com: Anime - a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality.
Well, I had to look up anime to be sure what it actually is, as opposed to what I thought it was.
I have seen some Anime. I think they must have been originally from Japan, as the words came out after the characters moved their lips. I wasn't impressed. But then, I was never impressed with the cartoon versions of Super Friends or Spiderman.
I'm sure I'm not the norm, but I suspect that for the most part, many of us are more likely to mock what we don't understand.
I'm all for learning about different cultures before I visit their countries - Eating pizza with a fork, recognizing spaghetti as a side dish instead of an entree, burping as loud as possible....all different cultural differences I've seen abroad.
That being said, not sure I want to spend my game time doing that.
Maybe a good question is why do you want Anime to be in CoH?
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Japanese comic books / "graphic novels" (which ever term you prefer). Since 'anime' refers specifically to animated items (although regularly used to mean the style used in anime).|
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
And what in the world is Manga?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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A lot of the stuff that I'd like to see that some people would consider 'anime' or 'manga' is more Japanese that we've gained exposure to through the export of such mediums.
I for one would love to see traditional Japanese theatre masks and head types in game. Oni (which we have already as found on the Ninja Mastermind's third pet), Tengu, Kappa, and other types of Yokai. Noh masks are also visually distinctive, and face masks done in the style of Kabuki characters is also very eye-catching.
Some people may say 'where would these masks fit into CoH?' Well, Paragon City is a cosmopolitan place, and player characters could originate from anywhere to arrive there.
Of course, there's also the work of certain designers that catch people's eyes. I'd love to have the type of cloaks and coats seen in the character designs of Takahiro Komori, from the overcoats and greatcoats seen in Cowboy Bebop, to the fantasy cloaks seen in Scrapped Princess.
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Japanese comic books done in much the same art style as anime.| And what in the world is Manga? |
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I knew as I typed that out that someone would use the schoolgirl costume pieces as an example of that :P Anyway, my point is, that those costume pieces, even the shoulder pets and whatnot have been used in much more than just anime-inspired costumes and the game is better off for it. |
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Issue 4: Colosseum I believe. Back when our costume choices were lumped generally into "spray on spandex", "painted on suit", "baggy clothing" or lumpy armor that breaths. And female characters had skirts and painted on short shorts as an option.
IIRC we also got our two shoulder pets (where's my parrot and/or baby dragon) and individual body sliders ("Give em the knee shooters"). |
People shouldn't be asking "Why would you want more anime in the game?" they should be asking "Why wouldn't you want more options in the game?"
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I'm not sure where the idea of Manga-hate comes from.
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
...The devs aren't pandering to Anime. You know, the only explicitly Anime-based Costume Set would be the Mecha Armor.
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Of course, that was also about the same time that they launched "City of Hero" in Korea, which quickly bombed... despite them actually getting a standalone costume creator application. (Lucky jerks.
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...and, yet, you don't bother telling me in what way I'm wrong. So why even say anything in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Moderated_IRL
I couldn't even begin to tell you how wrong this is.
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I'd specifically point to the /b/ section of 4chan being guilty for a LOT of the trolling idiocy on the internet these days. Have you never heard the term "b-tard"?
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You're not alone. The mysteries of 4chan must be rather prolific since I thought it was just some internet image board and yet it shaped the internet as we know it.
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... Dude. Spider-Man's ideal is beaten into your head throughout the entire series, and you still got it wrong: "With great power comes great responsibility." |
Originally Posted by Crashed
Spiderman, for example, has more of a 'kick-*** underdog' ideal going for him.
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And that whole "ideal" thing doesn't work for every hero. The Hulk just likes to smash things and wants to be left alone. Wolverine just likes to carve things up and wants to be left alone (preferably with some good cigars and a bottle of bourbon).
But excluding them as "loner" archetypes, would, say, Cyclops' ideal be? Being a gigantic whiny dou...doofus?
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
...and, yet, you don't bother telling me in what way I'm wrong. So why even say anything in the first place?
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But then again, anything that's not "normal" in high school is frowned upon, so the few anime nerds there were generally lumped together with the comic book nerds... with the comic book nerds vehemently stating that "we're not with those guys."
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i dunno though, a few additions in one issue years ago is pandering? we can even throw in the natural booster and the imperial dynasty set, as well as the 4 or so more textured robes we got in issue 6 and i'm still kind of iffy on that as being pandering so much as recognizing a massive entertainment medium with more than a few stylistic similarities as superheroic comic books. happily it is not ignored as the spndex or death crowd wants, but it is a significantly different definition of pander than I'd consider using. pandering would indicate that every 2-3 issues we would get more stuff. heck, on primal earth there aren't even Japanese or Chinese enemy/ groups, the tsoo are primarily hmong. and there are a grand total of 4 heroes in wisdom, the "eastern " heroes. only 2 are in game and one of the missing ones is a russian white girl. the big american spandex super-hero comic companies even do better than that.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Issue 5 contained a bunch of anime-inspired costume options, such as Japanese high school uniforms (both male and female) and anime-like faces (which were for the most part renamed as "young" faces).
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This is where the "anime as meaningless buzzword" aspect of things comes into play. Anything that's not what x person specifically wants has to be called something and "Anime" is the something many people choose to call it.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
i dunno though, a few additions in one issue years ago is pandering? we can even throw in the natural booster and the imperial dynasty set, as well as the 4 or so more textured robes we got in issue 6 and i'm still kind of iffy on that as being pandering so much as recognizing a massive entertainment medium with more than a few stylistic similarities as superheroic comic books. happily it is not ignored as the spndex or death crowd wants, but it is a significantly different definition of pander than I'd consider using. pandering would indicate that every 2-3 issues we would get more stuff. heck, on primal earth there aren't even Japanese or Chinese enemy/ groups, the tsoo are primarily hmong. and there are a grand total of 4 heroes in wisdom, the "eastern " heroes. only 2 are in game and one of the missing ones is a russian white girl. the big american spandex super-hero comic companies even do better than that.
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All I've really gotten out of this thread is that some people have a VERY narrow understanding of what anime is. Really, it's just the Japanese term for animated cartoons and movies from Japan (dunno if Japanese people also refer to Western animation as anime). That Dictionary.com definition someone posted earlier in the thread is just horrible, as just as many genres are accounted for in anime as they are in live-action; maybe more genres, actually. Stuff like Dragonball, Gundam, Pokemon, Bleach, or Sailor Moon don't even begin to scratch the surface. As such, there are very few things in CoH that could strictly be considered "anime-related". Maybe the Mecha Armor, but that's about it.
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Actually my peoples back home not even referencing ''Anime'' as proper term for what is shown on television at of home country. We considering this as adult to being morning cartoon in close average how say close to being same as if bugs bunny to Americas. This is how majority of Japanese seeing animated shows. Ottube, Otaku, Keishu, and Sabiki are consider to being extremists or hobbyists of animated culture. Also foreigners considered ''Anime Exploiters'' with fascination seen unknown as little of television broadcast culture is known in Japan of what Americas get and not get as per this. Unless major television company or animation company who know statistic behind such. Otherwise we not really focusing on Americas broadcast schedule.
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All I've really gotten out of this thread is that some people have a VERY narrow understanding of what anime is. Really, it's just the Japanese term for animated cartoons and movies from Japan (dunno if Japanese people also refer to Western animation as anime). That Dictionary.com definition someone posted earlier in the thread is just horrible, as just as many genres are accounted for in anime as they are in live-action; maybe more genres, actually. Stuff like Dragonball, Gundam, Pokemon, Bleach, or Sailor Moon don't even begin to scratch the surface. As such, there are very few things in CoH that could strictly be considered "anime-related". Maybe the Mecha Armor, but that's about it.
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