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Someone like that it real life would probably scare the **** out of most people up close.
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Anime will be in this game: COSTUME-WISE!
We need more over-the-top stuff anyway. This game is far too tame to be called a "super-hero" MMO!
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Originally Posted by Xiang Shao
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Agreed.I'm really pumped about Martial Combat's Anime-style Flash Step attack.
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Originally Posted by Xiang Shao
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Anime will be in this game: COSTUME-WISE! We need more over-the-top stuff anyway. This game is far too tame to be called a "super-hero" MMO! |
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Caveat: I am not really an anime fan. I would much rather see more actual superhero additions to the game than anime.
Superheroes are about ideals. The image that a superhero creates for him/herself is about an ideal - Batman's ideal is fear, Superman's ideal is excellence, Captain America's is patriotism, etc. Not all superhero ideals are as straightforward - many are complex. Spiderman, for example, has more of a 'kick-*** underdog' ideal going for him. They are the embodiment of a feeling that the four-color (or whatever) costumes are supposed to trigger on sight. They're flashy, but not unrealistic (generally). When superheroes need to break the rules of reality, they detail it thoroughly so it seems more realistic.
But that's not just it.
Superheroes are about good versus evil. But beyond that, they're about protecting the innocent. Anime, in my experience, is way too broad to try to fit into a game based around the western superhero ideal. I like to think of it as trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Or maybe trying to fit a screwdriver through the eye of a needle. They're just very different things altogether.
Anime is about localized stories that take place within their own little spheres; superheroes on the other hand can have their own separate headlining titles, but the story of Ant-Man can be directly influenced by the Fantastic Four. It's about a universe based heavily off of our own where these caped crusaders (and their allies) can alter the world around them (theoretically for the better) by utilizing the fantastical abilities of those that co-exist in that world. You won't find One Piece characters popping up in Dragon Ball Z, and you won't find Bleach characters popping up in Naruto. Yes, I get that's because they're owned by different people, but my point is that continuity does not exist outside of the anime. With superheroes, continuity is written so that there is story that extends beyond the pages of any one comic book. With superheroes, it's "heroes are everywhere, all around in the world we live in", and with anime, it's "heroes exist in this make-believe world that exists outside of (or parallel to) our own".
Both are decent storytelling mediums, but they are hardly the same.
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Originally Posted by Organica
I'm pretty sure Titan Weapons would not exist without the influence of anime/manga.
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Well, there are anime series that are superheroic in much the same way as western animated series, and the same principle applies to manga and superhero comics. It's also a good point that anime is too broad of a genre to truly be equivalent to superheroic comics, but the same applies to traditional Western animation. Most Western cartoons are not about superheroes at all. That said, there are many stylistic elements of superheroic/action anime that integrate well with a more Western superpowered setting.|
Originally Posted by Crashed
Superheroes are about good versus evil. But beyond that, they're about protecting the innocent. Anime, in my experience, is way too broad to try to fit into a game based around the western superhero ideal. I like to think of it as trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Or maybe trying to fit a screwdriver through the eye of a needle. They're just very different things altogether.
Anime is about localized stories that take place within their own little spheres; superheroes on the other hand can have their own separate headlining titles, but the story of Ant-Man can be directly influenced by the Fantastic Four. It's about a universe based heavily off of our own where these caped crusaders (and their allies) can alter the world around them (theoretically for the better) by utilizing the fantastical abilities of those that co-exist in that world. You won't find One Piece characters popping up in Dragon Ball Z, and you won't find Bleach characters popping up in Naruto. Yes, I get that's because they're owned by different people, but my point is that continuity does not exist outside of the anime. With superheroes, continuity is written so that there is story that extends beyond the pages of any one comic book. With superheroes, it's "heroes are everywhere, all around in the world we live in", and with anime, it's "heroes exist in this make-believe world that exists outside of (or parallel to) our own". Both are decent storytelling mediums, but they are hardly the same. |
And "heroes are everywhere, all around in the world we live in" is no more true than claiming the same of anime. In fact many more anime series are more realistic and are set in a world much closer to our own.
The larger difference is that superhero comics are based on recycling the same characters ad infinitum with no lasting development or progress, which eventually leads to universes full of characters who have been repeating many of the same exploits for decades and are no older or wiser now than when they started.
Anime series tend to have characters that grow, change, and are eventually superceded by a new generation on the occasions that the story doesn't simply come to a conclusion. They generally have ongoing stories with fairly clearly defined beginnings and endings rather than the superheroic tradition of little to no long term continuity.
There are also several cases of anime characters from many different series sharing a common world/setting. The many Ultra series come to mind, as does the Nasuverse, and the various Tenchi series. CLAMP also qualifies somewhat.
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Yes it's true, nearly all manga/anime take place in their own universe which may be or not be our world. However there are cases when characters from one series crossover to another if both series were written by the some author. An example is the author of Dragon Ball, Akira Toriyama, had a crossover with young Goku meeting characters from an earlier series of his, Dr. Slump. Crusher Joe occurs in the same universe as The Dirty Pair, but there's a 30 year time difference between the two series. You have all the Gundam series set in Universal Century but that's like lumping all the Star Trek series together. However there are a lot of Gundam series that occur in their own universe like G-Gundam.|
Originally Posted by Crashed
Anime is about localized stories that take place within their own little spheres; superheroes on the other hand can have their own separate headlining titles, but the story of Ant-Man can be directly influenced by the Fantastic Four. It's about a universe based heavily off of our own where these caped crusaders (and their allies) can alter the world around them (theoretically for the better) by utilizing the fantastical abilities of those that co-exist in that world. You won't find One Piece characters popping up in Dragon Ball Z, and you won't find Bleach characters popping up in Naruto. Yes, I get that's because they're owned by different people, but my point is that continuity does not exist outside of the anime. With superheroes, continuity is written so that there is story that extends beyond the pages of any one comic book. With superheroes, it's "heroes are everywhere, all around in the world we live in", and with anime, it's "heroes exist in this make-believe world that exists outside of (or parallel to) our own".
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Of course then you have all the "day in a life of a ordinary high school student" that don't actually conflict with one another or have impacts on a world/regional scale.
One problem people have with a number of series is the world isn't laid out for them. It's strange, different and it takes a while before any says why. Take Trigun. It looks like a western but there are all these crashed spaceships, giant light bulbs and multiple moons. It's a while before you get some of the backstory. Same could be said with Trinity Blood, it takes quite a while before it's explained how things got so different on Earth as well as the origins of the Methuselah.
Also due to the long story arc nature of some series, dropping in on one episode is like trying to make sense of Lost if you started in the middle of Season 3. Worse with series with ever inflating casts (like Bleach). I can see someone watching one episode and deciding there is just too much backstory to understand and catch up on so they write the series off. At least with B:tAS the vast majority of episodes are standalone, you just have to be familiar with Batman, who is over 70 years old now. Most anime only run a season or two, a few past 5 years and very very few that are iconic enough to be multi-generational (Yamato, Cutie Honey, Lupin III) that they get rebooted every so often.
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That's the worst part about Titan Weapons.
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* If you don't know what that is, just imagine Homer (the Greek poet) mashed up with the most over-the-top fantasy anime you can imagine, with a side of Robert E. Howard, and you've got a good start.
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I see that a lot peoples' angle in this thread is that they are sick of all the recent anime-style additions to the game, and want to see more Golden/Silver Age stuff, but I don't know what examples of the former people are referring to. When was the Sailor Moon Costume Bundle released?
The problem as I see it is that anything people can construe as being about or even related to anime/manga gets shot down by fans of Western comics even if there is considerable crossover between the two. I'm guessing this attitude is mainly directed at Titan Weapons and Staff Fighting, but big swords and polearms are hardly exclusive to Eastern fiction/media. In fact, I struggled to even think of two examples, because the other recent additions, such as the Retro Sci-Fi pack and Nature Affinity are heavily entwined in American fiction or much more universal mythologies.
So people dismissing new content on the grounds of it "not fitting the game's theme" are just setting back all the players who want things that fit any theme they choose to play, which is something that this game excels at.
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Originally Posted by BellaStrega
* If you don't know what that is, just imagine Homer (the Greek poet) mashed up with the most over-the-top fantasy anime you can imagine, with a side of Robert E. Howard, and you've got a good start.
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I know what Exalted is, and am passingly familiar with the mentioned poet, but even that and the protection afforded by your parenthetical statement weren't enough to stop my brain from imagining a sort of Homer-Simpson-and-Guts-from-Berserk hybrid...
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Originally Posted by Crashed
Caveat: I am not really an anime fan. I would much rather see more actual superhero additions to the game than anime.
Superheroes are about ideals. The image that a superhero creates for him/herself is about an ideal - Batman's ideal is fear, Superman's ideal is excellence, Captain America's is patriotism, etc. Not all superhero ideals are as straightforward - many are complex. Spiderman, for example, has more of a 'kick-*** underdog' ideal going for him. They are the embodiment of a feeling that the four-color (or whatever) costumes are supposed to trigger on sight. They're flashy, but not unrealistic (generally). When superheroes need to break the rules of reality, they detail it thoroughly so it seems more realistic. But that's not just it. Superheroes are about good versus evil. But beyond that, they're about protecting the innocent. |
To put it bluntly, you can't say Anime ain't superheroic just because there are many broad genre within it. American comics have many genre in it too; comedy, horror, mystery, drama and yet it also has those super heroes in it that you dearly focus on and make an example of. Newsflash: anime and manga have those examples too.
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Anime is about localized stories that take place within their own little spheres; superheroes on the other hand can have their own separate headlining titles, but the story of Ant-Man can be directly influenced by the Fantastic Four. It's about a universe based heavily off of our own where these caped crusaders (and their allies) can alter the world around them (theoretically for the better) by utilizing the fantastical abilities of those that co-exist in that world. You won't find One Piece characters popping up in Dragon Ball Z, and you won't find Bleach characters popping up in Naruto. Yes, I get that's because they're owned by different people, but my point is that continuity does not exist outside of the anime. With superheroes, continuity is written so that there is story that extends beyond the pages of any one comic book. With superheroes, it's "heroes are everywhere, all around in the world we live in", and with anime, it's "heroes exist in this make-believe world that exists outside of (or parallel to) our own". Both are decent storytelling mediums, but they are hardly the same. |
CoX takes place in its own universe with its own rules and its own history. No comic from some other title is going to affect it and our stories can simply fall within its boundaries. You can do the same with practically any fictional story and play along. So in that regard, CoX is properly more similar to a manga (that is, it takes place in its own isolated universe unaffected by other streams of stories) than any type of american comic you can describe.
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So very many comics fans and people on this forum do. Even though it's pretty much the worst thing that ever happened to Super-hero comics and has served to completely dilute the very idea of "Super heroes" as a genre. It's being bandied about as a generic Catch-all term for "Unique guy"(which means all the lawyers on Law and Order are now superheroes) Because the Hulk isn't a super hero but he has to exist in the same universe and be on the same team as Captain America and Spider-man so, screw it, everyone is a Super-hero. Super-hero comics has committed itself as a genre to a concept that isn't just needlessly convoluted but is pretty much just bad writing at it's core.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Well, you're not correct here, there are crossovers with the different manga characters of different titles. The difference being, the original title usually has its story set in stone and follows that until the end. Unless you feel the contrived convoluted web of interlocking history of Marvel/DC is a good thing (to me, I feel it just gets in the way of telling a story), then it's nothing like CoX regardless.
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While I'm amused by the article and can at least partially agree with the sentiment, the proof kind of falls apart with the simple realisation that just because the child daydreamed St. Elsewhere doesn't mean the characters involved couldn't really exist outside of the daydream. Heck, the daydream itself isn't necessarily real - it could have been part of the Dallas dream (which was all the fault of Q anyway). Playing Tetris with the various bits of continuity to try and get them to fit together is half the fun, as the author proved by having fun doing just that. |
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Goodbye may seem forever
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While I'm amused by the article and can at least partially agree with the sentiment, the proof kind of falls apart with the simple realisation that just because the child daydreamed St. Elsewhere doesn't mean the characters involved couldn't really exist outside of the daydream. Heck, the daydream itself isn't necessarily real - it could have been part of the Dallas dream (which was all the fault of Q anyway).
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Playing Tetris with the various bits of continuity to try and get them to fit together is half the fun, as the author proved by having fun doing just that.
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If some people didn't have that stupid hobby, then who would make the sticks for the people who enjoy picking apart such ruminations to apply to their own backsides?
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Originally Posted by Premonitions
As a stupid hobby that nerds have? Yeah, sur- well no, because it's still stupid, but, then it's just fanfiction it's harmlessly stupid. As an actual aspect of a work? No. It's bad writing, and it's stupid. It's fanfiction being legitimized.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
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-- The Fox and the Hound
Everybody else? Silly question. Bad attempt to insult me as well.
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But to get this back on point, and away from the derail of "premmy hates nerds" One thing this game could certainly benefit from is a more "anime-esque" approach to the storytelling that doesn't hinge on trying to weld together so many different disparaging concepts into one unified whole. i.e. No Well, which is exactly the kind of thing that would serve to staple together different series together into a shared Marvel/DC continuity.
It's all one setting, sure, but it really didn't need to put in so much effort to try and tie everything together. So long as two separate story elements don't directly contradict each other, attempting to connect them together is, as I've said really freaking stupid.
It also would help the writing if more individual storylines in this game where designed to be enjoyed individually, similar to Japanese super-hero stories. Compared to how much of what we have now is tied into storylines that a character and/or their player might not even be able (praetorian stuff affecting Red/Blue Side storylines, Darrin Wade in SSA 1) to experience, the idea of a single arc that begins and ends within itself is very enticing.
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4chan. That's about all the answer you need. Anime became popular, and the trolls ( who are often closet hipsters ) started hating it just for that reason. The trolling hate became so prolific that it started to influence some non-trolls' opinions as well.|
Originally Posted by Kirsten
I've been going about the fora for a while, and I've noticed that many posters hold no love for the idea of adding anime-inspired, well, anything to the game. I never understood why this was. I mean, there's no rule that says superheroes need to fit Western standards...Son Goku and Ichigo Kurosaki are just as much superheroes as Batman or Spidey.
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I get that there are people who dislike anime and came to that opinion completely on their own. But the rabid HATE? Nah, that's the troll-influence speaking. For example, if you can't handle the game having influences from a genre you don't like and feel the need to flame anyone who has the gall to suggest ANYTHING from that genre be added to the game? You need to seriously reevaluate how you came to your opinions on that genre in the first place.
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