No plans to release Black Wolf/Elemental Order separately.
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-27 13:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I knew they were going to do this when they did not just come out and say there was going to be an alternate way to "earn" these things in the game.
New game with Freedom and with that new paradigms etc... Oh well can't fight city hall and win... 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
There's still the stipend.
And the super packs are still very 'new'. I imagine the first round will get retired eventually and when they hit that point we'll see the exclusive items offered elsewhere. How long that will take though is anyone's guess.
It's not exactly hard to get the Elemental Order costume pieces. Most people get them all after 20 or so packs. I've got all mine.
Good luck in trying to get the Black Wolf pet, though. That's obviously sucker's bait.
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That is still gambling on if you are going to get an item or not.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
There's still the stipend.
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Mm, no, pretty sure you get items regardless. It's just whether it's the item you want. But you always get 5 different items.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
That is still gambling on if you are going to get an item or not.
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Honestly, I don't give a rats behind about the Black Wolf.
All I can say is that I would pay 400 Paragon Points for the Elemental Order set in a heartbeat.
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Completely unsurprising. Too many people spent money on the packs solely for the costume pieces for them to even consider putting them up for sale separately. There's no way offering them now wouldn't result in a demand for refunds and a general customer service nightmare.
As someone who hasn't bought a single pack and would leap at the chance to buy the Elemental Order costume in a heartbeat I find it disappointing that it's something I'll never have. But it's a disappointment I was resigned to as soon as they started discussing the Super Packs. The vaunted advertisement of only buying the parts of the game you want hasn't been applicable in a long time. I can't really fault Paragon Studios for going where the money is, I just wish I wasn't on the losing end of their business plan.
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WellI got whole set with 13 or 14 packs and only one piece that I didn't mind having was missing after 9th pack (in some packs I got two pieces) and it was rifle.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
Honestly, I don't give a rats behind about the Black Wolf.
All I can say is that I would pay 400 Paragon Points for the Elemental Order set in a heartbeat. |
And I will not use the Super Packs system to try and get them. I have no interest in the other items and I won't be goaded into paying for them along the way to also get what I want.
Just not going to happen.
And I do find it a lousy business practice.
That's my opinion.
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No, it's still gambling. There exists a chance, though insanely small, that you could open hundreds of packs and never get the item you want. It's the uncertain outcome that makes it a gamble and not a purchase.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Mm, no, pretty sure you get items regardless. It's just whether it's the item you want. But you always get 5 different items.
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lol, back to the Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic: The Gathering were Gambling All Along BS again....
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I never said it wasn't a gamble, just that there's no chance you pay and get -nothing-. You will always get items from the pack. Just not necessarily the item you want.
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Originally Posted by ketch
No, it's still gambling. There exists a chance, though insanely small, that you could open hundreds of packs and never get the item you want. It's the uncertain outcome that makes it a gamble and not a purchase.
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The costume set *should* be a separate costume pack. Vanity pet doesn't matter to me much, but people who want it for RP, costume or whatever reasons should not be forced to <deleted>
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
On today's TwitchTV stream, it was revealed that there are NO PLANS to release the Costume/Vanity stuff from the Super Pack because:
"We have not decided we want to do that. Again, we are open to the idea, but we haven't decided if we even want to do that yet. And the reason is that you can get Super Packs via Paragon Rewards Tokens, which a lot of people have taken advantage of that." Worse, they are discontinuing the Paragon Rewards option for Super Pack 1 when Super Pack 2 comes out. This means that players objecting to spending real money to gamble for the chance to get a costume set will have no other means to get the costume parts, and that is if they don't "retire" the original Super Packs from the store as well when the next set comes online. From Zwillinger's body language, they seem to be extremely adverse to offering the Costume/Vanity stuff outside of the packs. This decision should be changed. They have been aware of the objections for over six months now and should have already made plans for an "exit strategy" for these items. For the record, I did use 3 reward tokens (15 packs) to attempt to get the costume set... I didn't get the entire costume set. I feel that this choice for not providing other means after a pack is discontinued is completely irresponsible given that the costume editor is the cornerstone of this game. They know players have objected to the nature of the distribution, yet are plowing ahead with not offering an alternate means of getting the items. I know one player that say they have spent over $400 to try to get the Black Wolf pet. It is inexcusable that item has less than 1% chance of dropping, yet they don't want to provide other means to get it. |
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You get items, yes. However there isn't a guarantee that you will get the items you want. At that point you are gambling that you are going to get the items you want.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Mm, no, pretty sure you get items regardless. It's just whether it's the item you want. But you always get 5 different items.
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It doesn't matter if you buy these from Paragon Points (bought), Paragon Points (stipend), Paragon Reward Tokens, or (not an available option) having them randomly drop in game. You are still buying a chance for an item you want, not a specific item no matter how much you (or the developers) want to white-wash the subject.
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And they have had over 7 months to come up with an alternative to put this discussion to rest, yet again they have chosen not to.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
lol, back to the Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic: The Gathering were Gambling All Along BS again....
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I don't mind the super Packs so much, 'cause they come with a lot of stuff that I have used that aren't just the costume parts.
That said, it is pretty lousy to stick costume parts in here and say it's the only way to ever get them. Customization's such a huge draw in this game. We were just recently pitted against two other competitors in a contest to see who had the best customization options, and pretty much dominated over them. It's a little sad to see the devs take advantage of that so they can make people gamble on their real world market.
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Not right away, according to Zwill.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Worse, they are discontinuing the Paragon Rewards option for Super Pack 1 when Super Pack 2 comes out.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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So I wonder if this is where the Winter wolf will end up. I was hoping for a Winter wolf/Black wolf two'fer like the jungle cats one but I guess not.
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I own the black wolf and the elemental order costumes. I may be lucky but took several packs. To be honest, I am no longer against these. I never thought I would all the extra crap in them but now I do.
They are fairly good value for a dollar.
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If you were from the EU you would be used to this by now.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And they have had over 7 months to come up with an alternative to put this discussion to rest, yet again they have chosen not to.
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This is not cool. This is not cool AT ALL. I'm especially annoyed to find that the Cosmic Corsair set from the stream is, once again, ONLY in the Super Packs.
I will GIVE you my money, guys. I will give it to you MORE than happily...with the caveat that I am laying down the money on WHAT I SPECIFICALLY WANT OUT OF THAT.
Spare me the bloody rhetoric of 'Oh, but you get something anyway!'. Yes...and? Something that is NOT what you are intending to buy is still not what you were after when you paid cold, hard cash.
I do not go into a shop to buy something and get told I have to buy a lucky-dip bag to get the items I specifically want. That DOES NOT HAPPEN. So why the almighty smeg is it happening here? After there was ALREADY a load of outcry against this stuff the first time around?
Not cool, guys, NOT cool.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Man, I think that's horrible that folks aren't able to get this wolf. If I could give mine away, I would. For a vanity pet, it is one of the better ones, but I would have preferred 100 reward merits, myself.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
On today's TwitchTV stream, it was revealed that there are NO PLANS to release the Costume/Vanity stuff from the Super Pack because:
"We have not decided we want to do that. Again, we are open to the idea, but we haven't decided if we even want to do that yet. And the reason is that you can get Super Packs via Paragon Rewards Tokens, which a lot of people have taken advantage of that." Worse, they are discontinuing the Paragon Rewards option for Super Pack 1 when Super Pack 2 comes out. This means that players objecting to spending real money to gamble for the chance to get a costume set will have no other means to get the costume parts, and that is if they don't "retire" the original Super Packs from the store as well when the next set comes online. From Zwillinger's body language, they seem to be extremely adverse to offering the Costume/Vanity stuff outside of the packs. This decision should be changed. They have been aware of the objections for over six months now and should have already made plans for an "exit strategy" for these items. For the record, I did use 3 reward tokens (15 packs) to attempt to get the costume set... I didn't get the entire costume set. I feel that this choice for not providing other means after a pack is discontinued is completely irresponsible given that the costume editor is the cornerstone of this game. They know players have objected to the nature of the distribution, yet are plowing ahead with not offering an alternate means of getting the items. I know one player that say they have spent over $400 to try to get the Black Wolf pet. It is inexcusable that item has less than 1% chance of dropping, yet they don't want to provide other means to get it. |
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Strictly from a money standpoint, it was apparently one of the best business decisions they ever made. The Super Packs have funded a lot of other things in the game.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
And I do find it a lousy business practice.
That's my opinion. |
I didn't like the idea of the Super Packs either, but I bought the 24-pack sale deal for each of my accounts, and that netted me the full costume set on each plus a lot of ATOs that I could use or sell, a lot of merits that I could use, and a bunch of stuff that I was pretty "meh" about but I've found uses for later on. No wolf, nor did I expect one or really desire one And it was fun opening the packs. But I've also easily been able to resist buying any more of them.
But given the success they saw with selling them, I wouldn't expect them to change anything.
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Yes, but there are people who would buy the Super Packs anyway. So...why not ALSO let the people who are sick and tired of the damn things still give them money and at least get the stuff they want out of it? i.e. buy the damn Corsair set? That's *stupid*.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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On today's TwitchTV stream, it was revealed that there are NO PLANS to release the Costume/Vanity stuff from the Super Pack because:
"We have not decided we want to do that. Again, we are open to the idea, but we haven't decided if we even want to do that yet. And the reason is that you can get Super Packs via Paragon Rewards Tokens, which a lot of people have taken advantage of that."
Worse, they are discontinuing the Paragon Rewards option for Super Pack 1 when Super Pack 2 comes out. This means that players objecting to spending real money to gamble for the chance to get a costume set will have no other means to get the costume parts, and that is if they don't "retire" the original Super Packs from the store as well when the next set comes online.
From Zwillinger's body language, they seem to be extremely adverse to offering the Costume/Vanity stuff outside of the packs. This decision should be changed. They have been aware of the objections for over six months now and should have already made plans for an "exit strategy" for these items.
For the record, I did use 3 reward tokens (15 packs) to attempt to get the costume set... I didn't get the entire costume set. I feel that this choice for not providing other means after a pack is discontinued is completely irresponsible given that the costume editor is the cornerstone of this game. They know players have objected to the nature of the distribution, yet are plowing ahead with not offering an alternate means of getting the items. I know one player that say they have spent over $400 to try to get the Black Wolf pet. It is inexcusable that item has less than 1% chance of dropping, yet they don't want to provide other means to get it.
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