No plans to release Black Wolf/Elemental Order separately.
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Posted on: 2012-06-27 13:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I'm beginning to think that Ironblade just wants to take the opposing side to whatever I say.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
.How you can consider "Don't give us money, let us annoy you" a *good* decision is baffling.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah, the superpacks sold. The superpacks sold after people had the costume parts. So obviously the costume's not the only - or even major - reason they sold.
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Keep in mind I am not making a value judgment on this!|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And I already know that I'm not getting the wolf pet. Why? Because you don't set something at less than a 1% drop rate and expect people to get it. Talk about a waste of development time.
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If enough people bought packs trying to get the wolf, it could be that they covered the development costs on those players alone, so it may not have been a waste of development time for Paragon.
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I'm also not sure that a new texture and summoning icon for the exisitng dog pet was really that much extra work |
Originally Posted by Creole Ned
Keep in mind I am not making a value judgment on this!
If enough people bought packs trying to get the wolf, it could be that they covered the development costs on those players alone, so it may not have been a waste of development time for Paragon. |
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I'll quote Arcanaville at you: |
Originally Posted by Creole Ned
If enough people bought packs trying to get the wolf, it could be that they covered the development costs on those players alone, so it may not have been a waste of development time for Paragon.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Under optimal conditions, maximum number of Black Wolf pets that are statistically likely: 1428 (approximately one in 420 packs)
Estimated Points spent on Superpacks: between 36 and 48 million Estimated Value of Points: $375,000 - $600,000 (numbers do not factor in reward token purchases) |
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It's production cost was a couple of hours of work |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Given a number of people have got the wolf pet at less than 100, I would think that the money spent making the pet as not meeting its production cost.
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If that. It's a recolor of the Beast Mastery wolves or the german shepherd depending on how you want to look at it.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's production cost was a couple of hours of work
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And given how much use the 4 legged rig has gotten since I22, I think it's safe to say it paid for its development time and cost.
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It took me 29 packs to get the damn GLOVES, and those are only 'uncommon'. |
Originally Posted by Neuronia
You should get all the costume pieces within 15-20 packs. At least, that has been my experience on both accounts, getting all of them except the beam rifle piece within 10-12 packs.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... and not offering them again in any way shape or form means they no longer make money from them.
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| How you can consider "Don't give us money, let us annoy you" a *good* decision is baffling. |
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Given that it was Zwilligner that said that, I'm taking it as true.
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I'm not a big fan of the super packs. I only bought 5 with a veteran token and I may buy another set with a point this month.
While I understand and appreciate most of the objections to them, it doesn't really bother me too much. So to all those that are willing to buy them . . . Thanks! Your money helps to fund other goodies.
But on the other hand, I'm not sure why they would discontinue selling the packs unless they stop selling. Won't people still want the original ATOs, costume pieces, and a chance at the wolf? I say sell them both.
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They are.
Only the paragon rewards will be phasing out which ones you can buy with spare tokens if you're VIP level 9.
Otherwise they're remaining in the market as normal. Heck, they're even on -sale- this week.
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1. That's not automatically true. We don't actually know enough about the internals of the superpack statistics to be able to conclude that. Much rests on the number of players that purchased packs, and how many they bought on average.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah, the superpacks sold. The superpacks sold after people had the costume parts. So obviously the costume's not the only - or even major - reason they sold. I know I'm only one (well, two, two accounts) customer, but I got all my pieces early - then kept picking them up for piles of merits, ATOs and the like. (And no, I never got the wolf, either.)
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2. Even if this were true, it would not be directly relevant. What matters is how the announcement that exclusive rare items will eventually be made available ala carte would affect the purchasing decisions of the players in the future. If it causes enough people to believe its always better to wait, the amount of revenue you would lose would be significantly greater than the amount you'd calculate the loss to be using only past purchasing decisions as your guide.
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Well zwill, you guys do what you have to, I will not gamble for this game, and each "good" looking set that goes in this is one more reason i have to hang it up after 8 years. I play here for the variety of costumes, and yet another is being held from me, Hopefully we can eventually meet on a common ground, but i have not and will not cash in a single vet token for gambling, and so long as this remains the only way to get qsome quality costumes, it remains an open wound for me with coh.
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... I listen to that and hear "YES, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE SUPER PACK #2 WITH REWARD TOKENS, JUST NOT UNTIL THE NEXT PUBLISH FOLLOWING THEIR RELEASE." Because that's pretty much what they say.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Given that it was Zwilligner that said that, I'm taking it as true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo9sOxdIvz8&t=50m33s |
I don't get how someone thinks they're saying that they're discontinuing purchase via Reward Tokens.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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If you're 100% adamant about your position, what common ground do you hope will eventually exist?
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
Well zwill, you guys do what you have to, I will not gamble for this game, and each "good" looking set that goes in this is one more reason i have to hang it up after 8 years. I play here for the variety of costumes, and yet another is being held from me, Hopefully we can eventually meet on a common ground, but i have not and will not cash in a single vet token for gambling, and so long as this remains the only way to get qsome quality costumes, it remains an open wound for me with coh.
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Not really. The sale lowers the price of buying a single pack to the same cost as a single pack that's part of the 24 bundle. It's not much of a sale assuming people don't buy just one pack at a time. I'll admit it's possible, but it seems weird since bulk purchases of packs have always been more economical and this "sale" doesn't do anything to change that.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Heck, they're even on -sale- this week.
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I am going to continue buying Super Packs en-masse and supporting NOT releasing the exclusives in them in any alternative means.
PS: I don't have the Black Wolf and still support this.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
I am going to continue buying Super Packs en-masse and supporting NOT releasing the exclusives in them in any alternative means.
PS: I don't have the Black Wolf and still support this. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
[*]We're not closed off to the idea of making costume sets from Super Packs available via an alternate method, however it's going to be some time before we offer it. We've made this statement regarding things like the Tier 9 Paragon Rewards, and the same is true about Super Packs.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I, for one, find it more acceptable than the current state of affairs.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If knowing the items will eventually be sold ala carte after the superpacks are discontinued reduces the amount of income they make on superpacks because a significant number of people wait, is that just an acceptable risk you're willing to take?
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Originally Posted by Reppu
I am going to continue buying Super Packs en-masse and supporting NOT releasing the exclusives in them in any alternative means.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
I stopped buying the Packs once I got everything I wanted from them (Around 40 xp boosters and windfalls), and when I realized the Catalyst Drop rate in the packs was a total joke (I averaged 1 in 11 packs). I got the Wolf on my 7th pack. I hardly ever use it.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I don't even know if I have all the Elemental Order pieces. Maybe? Maybe not!
It would really irk me to have an incomplete set, but I'm not going to go 'pack-diving' just for a helmet or a beam rifle or whatever.
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That's another reason I would much prefer to get them in a single package.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I don't even know if I have all the Elemental Order pieces. Maybe? Maybe not!
It would really irk me to have an incomplete set, but I'm not going to go 'pack-diving' just for a helmet or a beam rifle or whatever. |
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I don't doubt that, but the point was that its very easy to say there are alternatives and claim to be willing to accept the potentially very deleterious problems associated with those alternatives when you have no direct stake in whether those problems actually arise.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I, for one, find it more acceptable than the current state of affairs.
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The list can be found under the collect tab - I think it's under super packs.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I don't even know if I have all the Elemental Order pieces. Maybe? Maybe not!
It would really irk me to have an incomplete set, but I'm not going to go 'pack-diving' just for a helmet or a beam rifle or whatever. |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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An argument that many institutions engaged in an unsavory practice for purportedly beneficial reasons might make.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't doubt that, but the point was that its very easy to say there are alternatives and claim to be willing to accept the potentially very deleterious problems associated with those alternatives when you have no direct stake in whether those problems actually arise.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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My stance is this: More people bought the super packs than not. If they're just going to release the exclusives in them Soon(TM), what is the point of purchasing the sets when those people who bought them most likely wanted the Costume Sets?
It's an ugly situation no matter what. But more people would, logically, be upset if something they went to support was later released to the masses anyway, and just 'rode on our coat tails'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo9sOxdIvz8&t=50m33s
You should get all the costume pieces within 15-20 packs. At least, that has been my experience on both accounts, getting all of them except the beam rifle piece within 10-12 packs.
And I already know that I'm not getting the wolf pet. Why? Because you don't set something at less than a 1% drop rate and expect people to get it. Talk about a waste of development time.
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I've seen many reports where the poster hasn't got the full costume set by pack #30. At this point I have less than a 1 in 5 chance (15.79%) to get that last piece, that is IF I get a rare "card" (which isn't assured).
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