No plans to release Black Wolf/Elemental Order separately.
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-27 13:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Potentially true (and perhaps even likely), but I wouldn't say it's a wholly logical conclusion. Indeed, I'd say getting upset over such a situation would be pretty illogical in the first place.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
It's an ugly situation no matter what. But more people would, logically, be upset if something they went to support was later released to the masses anyway, and just 'rode on our coat tails'.
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The ugly situation could be avoided entirely by not putting exclusive items in the Super Packs - in which case they become more like grab bags, which are a way to get non-exclusive items on the cheap in random assortment. (Oh, Crystal Caste, how I loved your assorted dice grab bags...)
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Any proof of your claim? The burden of proof is on both of us. All I can go by is Paragon's open statement of the extreme success of the Super Packs, so much they designed a second round of them instead of dropping them dead. We were openly told they were successful during the... Pummit, I believe? Or one of the live streams.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Any proof?
And just like other Tier 9 VIP stuff, there is only so much room in the window, and it has been said repeatedly that when they bring in new stuff for that level, old stuff goes away. This is because they don't want that line cluttered and they don't have a person that can be spared to do the interface work. |
To that end, Burden Proof You etc etc. Or Paragon could be lying, nobody bought them, and they're giving it another go because masochism.
But, let me put it this way: There's no plans to release them outside of Packs at this time. I support this 100%. Buy the packs, or don't get the set. Use your stipend, or don't get the set. Either way, it's not 'gambling' and that's annoying to hear time and time again.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Potentially true (and perhaps even likely), but I wouldn't say it's a wholly logical conclusion. Indeed, I'd say getting upset over such a situation would be pretty illogical in the first place.
The ugly situation could be avoided entirely by not putting exclusive items in the Super Packs - in which case they become more like grab bags, which are a way to get non-exclusive items on the cheap in random assortment. (Oh, Crystal Caste, how I loved your assorted dice grab bags...) |
My personal peef on the packs is the drop rate of the Black Wolf.
I have a vampire as main who would love to have the Wolf for Roleplay. Over the past year I have opened MANY packs. And still once in a while I open a few using reward points. I have the costume set complete for ages now. I have more merits then I can use.. and all converters I need. Even full sets of AT IO's...
Ok... it s handy that I can outfit all my alts... but the 1% chance of dropping a Black Wolf annoys me to no end! That is small even for a Magic: The Gathering Very Rare. It is simply way to small chance.
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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
My personal peef on the packs is the drop rate of the Black Wolf.
I have a vampire as main who would love to have the Wolf for Roleplay. Over the past year I have opened MANY packs. And still once in a while I open a few using reward points. I have the costume set complete for ages now. I have more merits then I can use.. and all converters I need. Even full sets of AT IO's... Ok... it s handy that I can outfit all my alts... but the 1% chance of dropping a Black Wolf annoys me to no end! That is small even for a Magic: The Gathering Very Rare. It is simply way to small chance. |
Your vampire should use the leprechaun and not draw so much attention to their dark and edgy side!
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If people intend to NEVER buy a pack until the Costume set as a whole comes out, then yes. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If knowing the items will eventually be sold ala carte after the superpacks are discontinued reduces the amount of income they make on superpacks because a significant number of people wait, is that just an acceptable risk you're willing to take?
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The logic at play here is false, in my opinion. You have the packs, right now, for people who want to buy the packs. At present, people who are on the fence will likely buy the packs until they have, say, all the costume parts, then NO MORE PACKS. And there are those who will NEVER touch the packs out of protest.
So, say the Devs release the costume set in a pack of it's own. Heck, charge a little bit more for it, I don't care. Then you get four or even five groups;
-Those who buy the packs anyway, who don't care about the costume parts.
-Those who buy the packs, who care about the costume parts but will still buy packs from time to time for ATOs, boosters etc.
-Those who were on the fence but still sway to pack-buying
-Those who were on the fence who then buy the costume set
-Those who have no interest in the Super Packs but will happily throw money down for the costume set bundle
I have seen NOTHING good to contest that. So, anyone?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I spent close to £100 on getting the BLack wolf via superpacks under the impression these wouldn't be available in other means.
They can put Black wolf on market for hundred pounds worth of points, or for the next bunch of super packs I won't make the same mistake and I dare say there will be a few others that will wait.
Thus ends super packs and the profit they make towards the game.
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Because some people, obviously a significant amount, still bought packs after getting the costume parts. For things like ATOs.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
My stance is this: More people bought the super packs than not. If they're just going to release the exclusives in them Soon(TM), what is the point of purchasing the sets when those people who bought them most likely wanted the Costume Sets?
It's an ugly situation no matter what. But more people would, logically, be upset if something they went to support was later released to the masses anyway, and just 'rode on our coat tails'. |
Next 'counter'?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Sorry, there's no "obviously". The only people who can make an educated estimate as to how (e.g.) selling the costume parts separately would affect pack sales are the ones who can see the data, and they're not talking. My take on that is that if the numbers supported the separate-sale model you'd be getting it; you're not so they don't.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Because some people, obviously a significant amount, still bought packs after getting the costume parts. For things like ATOs.
Next 'counter'? |
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Originally Posted by Venture
Sorry, there's no "obviously". The only people who can make an educated estimate as to how (e.g.) selling the costume parts separately would affect pack sales are the ones who can see the data, and they're not talking. My take on that is that if the numbers supported the separate-sale model you'd be getting it; you're not so they don't.
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End of discussion, honestly.
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ROFL! Sorry but it will take a lot more than "you and a few others" not buying packs to end the profit they are generating for the company. |
Originally Posted by Slazenger
I spent close to £100 on getting the BLack wolf via superpacks under the impression these wouldn't be available in other means.
They can put Black wolf on market for hundred pounds worth of points, or for the next bunch of super packs I won't make the same mistake and I dare say there will be a few others that will wait. Thus ends super packs and the profit they make towards the game. |
The people that "gotta have it now" have always and will always outnumber the people who have patience.
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The opening post suggests Paragon is well aware of the potential social stigma that will come from releasing things out of set 'down the line'.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
ROFL! Sorry but it will take a lot more than "you and a few others" not buying packs to end the profit they are generating for the company.
The people that "gotta have it now" have always and will always outnumber the people who have patience. |
Kind of glad my sub runs out next month.
Paragon you've fallen so far.
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I know, right? They used to charge $15 for server access to keep out the riffraff, now ANYONE can just waltz in.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Paragon you've fallen so far.
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Oh, I wonder why that is?|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The people that "gotta have it now" have always and will always outnumber the people who have patience. |
Hmm, maybe because there IS no other way of getting these parts!
Self fulfilling baloney prophecy, much?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Whilst I think Super Packs are a great idea, I do think that releasing the costume parts somewhere down the line at an extended price would be better for the community.
That's all I have to add.
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Well Snow, on this point, I really have to agree.
I had absolutely no way to purchase Super Packs with Reward Tokens due to my progression on the Tree... and I refuse to spend money on it. Oh well, I guess I will just never get those costume pieces now. *Sigh*
Exceedingly disappointed in this decision.
Well, that is one costume set that I will not obtain then.
Not going to gamble, period.
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I used few as an low estimate, it could well be nobody buys them as they may hold the same views as me.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
ROFL! Sorry but it will take a lot more than "you and a few others" not buying packs to end the profit they are generating for the company.
The people that "gotta have it now" have always and will always outnumber the people who have patience. |
Super packs have been an obvious success any changes towards what will be available after the packs are discontinued could (IMO will) damage a successful product.
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That's pretty much where I am. It seems heedless to me to put me through the catherine wheel over something I'm already willing to pay for in the vain hope of making me pay even more for it. Seriously, that's EA marketing right there, and it makes me unwilling to not just spend my money on this mess, but respect the studio that made this decision in the first place.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
Honestly, I don't give a rats behind about the Black Wolf.
All I can say is that I would pay 400 Paragon Points for the Elemental Order set in a heartbeat. |
It's been, what... Months since those were introduced? And they continue to be a problem. I'm pretty sure there's a finite limit on the amount of good will you can cash in for green dollars.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Nothing is stopping anyone from only claiming packs with their monthly stipends. That how I got my black wolf.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh, I wonder why that is?
Hmm, maybe because there IS no other way of getting these parts! Self fulfilling baloney prophecy, much? |
And I don't care what the Prems think. Having to pay for the packs is one of the consequences of not subscribing.
The fact that they wont be selling these costume parts separately is the only reason the super pack sold as well as it did. Their basically strong arming anyone who wants the new costume into buying other junk they don't want. If they want proof try selling a super pack without a exclusive costume set/exclusive anything, I would bet a months salary it wouldn't even come close to the 100K sold mark.
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I suspect you're not the only one that's glad you sub runs out next month. |
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Kind of glad my sub runs out next month.
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j/k Can I have your stuff?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And I don't care what the Prems think. Having to pay for the packs is one of the consequences of not subscribing. |
Apparently it's one of the consequences of subbing to if your not tier 9 vip.
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Anyone subbing can use the 400 point stipend to claim super packs regardless of what teir they have unlocked. Tier 9 VIP's just have an extra option to get them with Reward Tokens.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
Apparently it's one of the consequences of subbing to if your not tier 9 vip.
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I don't get how someone thinks they're saying that they're discontinuing purchase via Reward Tokens.
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