So... why aren't YOU pvp-ing?

the pvp community.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Honestly, I forget you can do that in this game most of the time.

That and when I log in, I usually have a plan for it. Run a few Tips, get on an iTrial, play the market, make a new character/costume. I do that, I'm happy with the progress, and I log off.

That and I generally don't like PvP with random people in most games. And when I do, well, CoH's PvP is kind of... eh. I spend dozens of hours playing my characters in PvE, and get used to how they feel, what their limits are, and how to play them well. Nothing of that applies to PvP as that's practically a completely different game, only I get to use a character in the same costume as my CoH character.

Honestly, I PvP'd a bit way back in I4. When arenas were introduce and characters still acted more or less like themselves in PvP. If I was to return to PvP, that would have to be true again. Also, a focus on more than just killing the other guys. Deathmatch is alright, but I prefer Capture the Flag or Payload. Asynchronous objectives can be fun. Speaking of which... Where is the PvP version of Safeguard/Mayhem missions?

ask a question, get an answer. I screwed around with it casually when it came out, idiots inevitably showed up. Its nothing anyone can fix mechanically because it was the community that dives people off.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Not all PvP'ers are jerks!

Just like you can't say all black guys are thugs, Muslims are terrorists, Mexicans are illegal or all white people are rednecks.
Each of these have bad apples, and each of them have role models.

I love PvP, i love the challenge, i love the fight.
I love respect and i'll give respect where it is due.

If i'm in RV, and someone tells me that they are there to farm the pillboxes and do not want to fight, guess what? I'll make sure he'll be left alone. And that is easy since on my home server, we don't have many bad apples.

FNFN: Friday Night Fight Night, friendly PvP in Pocket D.
Sure we talk some trash and we make fun, but when the timer is up, it all ends. Trash talking is part of the game, trying to get under your foe's skin, get in his head. The part is when it crosses the line, and the line for me, and most others, is when the game is over.
Maybe it's my spots background that made it easy for me to switch between this. I remember fights breaking out on the basketball courts, but when the final buzzer sounded, that was it. After that, we could relax and chat without being angry i just elbowed him, or he punched me.

Again, i love PvP, and i wish they brought Base Raids back...
The Diff between your toons in PvP and PvE is very big, and i think that is what is the deal breaker for most to not try PvP, and i do not blame them.

After reading the responses, it is as I feared: community is a part of it.

The thing with the community in PVP is that the bad parts are emphasized. In regular gaming, whenever you encounter a troll on a team or someone annoying in the game, you can kick and/or ignore them and then that is the end of it. But in PVP, it is those very players that become part of the gameplay, and are capable of influencing the outcome of events directly. This ascends trolls to the level of griefer, which is far more dangerous. The power in the situation is shifted to whomever is better at PVP combat, and unfortunately it isn't always the righteous that win.

Good people can make boring things entertaining. Watching a horrible movie with a funny friend is a whole lot better than watching a horrible movie alone. The inverse of how a bad person can ruin a good movie is also true. You can apply this adage to a lot of things in life, and applied to PVP it quickly demonstrates a problem with PVPers.



From what I have heard, I13 did quite a bit, what with all but removing travel suppression and giving diminishing returns to buffs/debuffs. The way I always pictured how PVP in CoH would be is largely team based, since not every AT or powerset if well equipped to be by itself. I think they should go back to the pre-I13 model.

I don't PvP because I have never really liked it... in any game. I have not played games due to PvP being anything close to a major component. It's why I stopped playing FPSs... they are pretty much all about PvP now it seems.

And the comment above about trash talk just being part of it? I can't get around the fact that it seems unnnecessary to me, no matter how ya justify it.

What didn't help the cause in this game was all tbhe powerleveling and massive min/maxing that went along with PvP. Things I hate doing. I almost never IO a character as it is, let alone feeling required to get the expensive ones and all the Acccolades just to compete.

And behind all of that is an underlying personality quirk of mine. I hate not being able to succeed at things. Its why when I buy a game involving two-player I can never just play it for the first time with a friend. I have to solo for a while to teach myself how it works. In PvP, the only way to get better is to play more, there is no such thing as learning solo first.

I stopped going into PvP zones when i could no longer streetsweep while waiting for people to pop up.
It was a really good challenge and fun streetsweeping in [for example] the hotzones in Sirens waiting for the bounty to pop up. Now that pvp enemies can destroy you within seconds, its no longer fun to streetsweep so i dont.

Only pvp i do now is if somebody challenges me to an arena.

When I started playing the game was only PvE, then PvP was tacked on and despite assurances that powers wouldn't change because of PVP they inevitably did. Which soured my opinion of PvP (but not as much as the PvPers and their toxic attitudes did)

I now (actually since about i8-9) don't even consider PvP in this game, I only play it for the PvE. Maybe if there were objective driven instances (Warzones/Battlefronts etc) then it would be more interesting.

I´ve got more fun on leveling or doing missions, trials, TF/SF.
I haven´t done any pvp for years now, because on Zukunft it´s very unlikely to see anyone in a pvp zone, even for nukes, shivans or RV-Bot-Farming.

I enjoyed mass arena pvp events(no teams) because even if you didn´t have the best pvp skills, you still were able to get some kills, because there other people on the same level or below.

There is no fun loosing again and again vs experienced pvp players.
I don´t want to use INF for an extra pvp-build and certainly not for pvp-IO´s.
Ganging/ganking and trash talking doesn´t get more players to a pvp zone as well.

What "might" get me to pvp would be a system that rewards you even if you loose.
The Systems of SWTOR and DCUO are a good example for this. You do get exp and/or one or several currencies even if you loose. Winners get (don´t know for sure) about twice that much.
Now you could argue that someone who looses should only get about 20% of what the winner would get.
But if there is an IO or whatever i want to get out of pvp-ing and i don´t see to get it in a certain amount of time the system won´t get me to pvp.

Because I don't appreciate the hostility that it creates...

If I wanted to play along side a bunch of hot-headed, self-centered jerks, then I'd be playing that other MMO...

(Not calling all PvPers that, mind you, but it does seem to attract a lot of those type of folks)

One reason I play this game is because it has a relatively kind, laid back, and helpful player base.. But once you step foot into a PvP zone that all goes down the toilet.

I've actually been to RV a few times recently and had a surprisingly good time.

The one thing I DON'T like about PvP zones are those who go there for badges and complain when they get PvP'd. This just irks me.

Mainly because the PvP game is completely different than the PvE game.

I don't mean in terms of difficulty (although that's true too, I just don't mind dying) but in terms of how powers actually work. The fact that you invariably need a totally different build to your PvE one just to be functional is just too much effort to be bothering with.

There was a Round Robin style PvP tournament on the EU side in i7 or so (June 2006) which was a lot of fun. I even remember getting up one Sunday morning to take part in a match, and having a very fun time pitting my TPing Illusion/Stormie against a Mind/FF controller across the breadth of one of the city block maps (he was trying to pin me in place with the repel bubble, I was frantically blinking around to get away whilest also avoid the scrappers and stalkers on the ground). On another indoor map I was buffed into God Mode by an experienced Emp PvPer and we absolutely creamed the opposing team

That was fun because most powers worked similiarly to how they did in PvE and most of us were complete PvP noobs anyway so no-one cared about who won or got bent out of shape.

I have absolutely no interest in Pvp and no desire to see more of it in game.