Let's chat seriously about PC Animals...

Leo_G · 04-12-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

So if they're that intelligent, why then would a wolf not be able to use paw mounted metal claws if he or she wanted to? Just because?

That's fine, if I picked a Claws character with the animal body. If I picked broadsword with an animal body, I'd expect not to look like Claws.

I mean, when you roll a katana character, do you expect to be using Claws? Or do you expect to be using a sword?

If I want my intelligent tiger to use claws, I'll give him claws. If I want him to use a sword, I'd give him a sword.

I still don't understand why this has to be further explained.

Bad_Influence · 04-12-2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is a bad thing.

The hilarious-yet-feelings-of-squeamishness-inducing Furry universe is one thing; however this game is straying so far from its original theme. I don't really feel that superheroes have much to do with Furries, Tigra to the side. Why are we looking at them in this game?

Can't really say that I yearn to see katana-wielding dogs, computer-using foxes or Shield-wearing wolves, but evidently everyone else is honing to jump right on the concept so c'est la vie.

Zwillinger · 04-12-2012 06:30 PM

Did that dog just bark rockets?

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Leo_G · 04-12-2012 06:32 PM

One Piece is awesome like that.

Coyote_Seven · 04-12-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_G

I still don't understand why this has to be further explained.

LOL, that's an interesting strategy you have. Making stuff up and then blaming the other person for making it up with they call you on it. But it's really making you look foolish.

eth_Nargy · 04-12-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_G

One Piece is awesome like that.

Is that before or after everything turned into Let me Show You my Haki?

And let's not forget rubber being able to negate 100 million volts. That's the best part.

Techbot Alpha · 04-12-2012 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger

Did that dog just bark rockets?

I think that sums up the thread, really...

I'd all be for more anthromorph animal faces with options for hair, face details, hats etc, though. Because, y'know, that was a major let-down...

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Leo_G · 04-12-2012 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

LOL, that's an interesting strategy you have. Making stuff up and then blaming the other person for making it up with they call you on it. But it's really making you look foolish.

What are you talking about?

Look, my main character's concept is, he's a guy who's great with a sword and cursed to turn into a tiger. He's not good with his claws, he cannot cut a robot in two with them like he can with a sword. It'd make less sense if he somehow sprouted metal claws just because he uses a metal sword.

And if I wanted him to be using claws, I'd have rolled him as a Claws scrapper, not a Katana scrapper. If he were a Claws scrapper, he'd have claws that can slice through robots. When he's not a tiger, he doesn't use claws he uses a sword. If he were a tiger and used claws, he wouldn't be able to slice through a robot. If he used his sword, he'd be able to cut through a robot.

I'm not sure I see what's not to get.

ketch · 04-12-2012 06:42 PM

Hmm, I seem to recall some ninja game (Ninja Gaiden or Shinobi?) where the player is assaulted by dogs with blades in their mouths.

In any case, if we ever see PCs using the 4-legged rig I imagine it will be part of a specific shifter AT so they won't have access to maces, swords, etc.

Kitsune Knight · 04-12-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei

I think they just need to keep in mind the T rating when doing anything furry. We cannot even post a picture of a real dead horse here so a lot of that furry action would be banned.

We can't post a picture of a real dead human here, so... it would be rather consistent

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Draeth Darkstar · 04-12-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Dogs and melee weapons, to my mind at least, don't really mix, at least no in a way that's anatomically logical for a dog to wield them.

Ahem.

EDIT: Arcana's was good too.

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Arcanaville · 04-12-2012 07:42 PM

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Your jocular attempts at pedantic banter have become tiresome. You ought to have realized by now that we're talking about animals that would be intelligent enough to know what weapons are, how to properly use them and how to train themselves to use them as well as possible.

Not to mention being intelligent enough to know when they were being offensive in a way that mainstream society publicly frowns upon.

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Perhaps you didn't read the title: PC Animals.

That's 'Player Controlled Animals'.

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IndyStruck · 04-12-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ketch

Hmm, I seem to recall some ninja game (Ninja Gaiden or Shinobi?) where the player is assaulted by dogs with blades in their mouths.

In Ninja Gaiden they also threw flaming exploding shuriken at you, would impale you through themselves if they were low on health and self destruct.

dugfromthearth · 04-12-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_G

Perhaps you didn't read the title: PC Animals.

That's 'Player Controlled Animals'. Of course they're intelligent enough if they're going to be speaking with contacts, going into missions, disarming bombs, using computers and being as perceptive as a player can be with their regular type characters.

what if they play on Freedom?

Pengy · 04-12-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth

what if they play on Freedom?

speaking with holographic contacts, going into holographic missions, disarming holographic bombs, using holographic computers, being as loud as real players know how to be

MajorDecoy · 04-12-2012 08:02 PM

Complain about weapons all you like, I have at least two characters who would be happier as cats-- but I have no idea what their attacks would look like if they were cats instead of bipedal cat-like beasts.

I'm just trying, and failing, to imagine Energy Transfer or Thunder Strike animating on a cat.

Darth_Khasei · 04-12-2012 08:03 PM

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We can't post a picture of a real dead human here, so... it would be rather consistent

How brilliant and witty....not.

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

AmazingMOO · 04-12-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger

Did that dog just bark rockets?

Zwill, we've got dogs. We've got rockets. Why not dogs with rockets in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot rockets at you?

AmazingMOO · 04-12-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

Complain about weapons all you like, I have at least two characters who would be happier as cats-- but I have no idea what their attacks would look like if they were cats instead of bipedal cat-like beasts.

I'm just trying, and failing, to imagine Energy Transfer or Thunder Strike animating on a cat.

Energy Transfer:

The animal bites and hangs on... it's tail standing straight out at 180 degrees. Energy courses along the tail, across the spine, and into the snout. The damage done, the animal lets go.

Jacob's ladder could use a similar animation.

Thunder Strike

The animal leaps into the air and strikes the foe with a full-body tackle, creating a huge ball of lightning upon contact.

Alternately, the animal rears up on two legs and head-butts the foe, creating the huge ball of lightning upon contact.

Arcanaville · 04-12-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

Complain about weapons all you like, I have at least two characters who would be happier as cats-- but I have no idea what their attacks would look like if they were cats instead of bipedal cat-like beasts.

I'm just trying, and failing, to imagine Energy Transfer or Thunder Strike animating on a cat.

Pthhthh. Those are easy. CAK and Eagle's Claw, now those would be hard.

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Leo_G · 04-12-2012 08:29 PM

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Pthhthh. Those are easy. CAK and Eagle's Claw, now those would be hard.

Eagle's Claw is easy. Just have the animal jump up then onto the foe, then backflip off, kicking the foe with all four paws.

Not sure about CAK...maybe just a leap up then pounce down with his front paws.

MajorDecoy · 04-12-2012 08:30 PM

You're right. I hadn't even considered Martial Arts or Kinetic Melee.

Melee Weapon sets are at least easy in that, once you decide how the weapon is held, you just need to describe an arc for the weapon.

Trick Arrow and Archery seem tricky too.

ThePill · 04-12-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

Trick Arrow and Archery seem tricky too.

I'd point to the picture of dogs shooting rockets out of their mouths. If we're going to go as absurd as dogs with swords, I'm not going to blink an eye at dogs shooting arrows from their mouths.

MajorDecoy · 04-12-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePill

I'd point to the picture of dogs shooting rockets out of their mouths. If we're going to go as absurd as dogs with swords, I'm not going to blink an eye at dogs shooting arrows from their mouths.

I am, at this moment, imagining a cat whorfing up a Force Field Generator, caltrops, and a Regeneration device, as if the three were hair balls.

ThePill · 04-12-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

I am, at this moment, imagining a cat whorfing up a Force Field Generator, caltrops, and a Regeneration device, as if the three were hair balls.

Heh, I'd still get used to it.

I'm all for it, if it means a decent enough sized segment of the population was behind it. Don't want to stifle any out there concepts. Not sure if I'd make an AR/traps cat, but I'll give it the thumbs up just to support folks that think that that's key to the way they envision their character.