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AmazingMOO

By AmazingMOO,
Posted on: 2012-04-12 13:43 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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And why can't people just do what they want without being pointed at, laughed at and made a joke of? Let those kids do what the **** they want. But you can't, because it's a meme! Now he have to point and laugh at them!
Wait, what? You're the one that first brought up the whole thing about it being a meme. How did... I don't... HUH?

 

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Wait, what? You're the one that first brought up the whole thing about it being a meme. How did... I don't... HUH?
Google Sparkledogs and the 1st result is:

Sparkledogs | Know Your Meme
knowyourmeme.com/memes/sparkledogsDec 6, 2011 – About The most popular template by Edward-Elric32 Sparkledogs are a type of dog that is colored erratically with random colors and crazy ...

Back on topic...

 

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You know not the horror that you would unleash upon an unsuspecting world!
I do, actually. That's a subject matter where one must have some degree of standards and some degree of selectiveness, granted, but it's not as bad as SomethingAwful would have people at large believe.

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Google Sparkledogs and the 1st result is:
OOOOOkay, that explains absolutely zero about your little fantasies about me stomping on things just because you found them on a site that talks about memes, even though I wasn't even thinking about that when I first brought it up. But whatever. You keep on... doing... that thing you do.

 

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I do, actually. That's a subject matter where one must have some degree of standards and some degree of selectiveness, granted, but it's not as bad as SomethingAwful would have people at large believe.
I might as well own up to the fact that I actively participated in Furry fandom from 1994 to 2001, and I've kept close tabs with it since. So I think I got a pretty good idea what it's about.

 

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I might as well own up to the fact that I actively participated in Furry fandom from 1994 to 2001, and I've kept close tabs with it since. So I think I got a pretty good idea what it's about.
And where the giant pitfalls are, I'd imagine

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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One observation: I do believe Shinx is the name of a fourth-generation Electric type Pokemon.
I know. I'ma have to change his name.

*cry*

 

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And where the giant pitfalls are, I'd imagine
Why yes, yes I do!

 

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Furry things in video games can be T rated, as Sly Cooper and Fox McCloud can attest! I can make no guarantees about their fans, however...
The fans...exactly!

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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on a sight that talks about memes
Nebel Ubermenschen Grammar wants you to know that the word is "site"

 

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OOOOOkay, that explains absolutely zero about your little fantasies about me stomping on things
No fantasy of mine. I posted what I'd want from a katana or broadsword wielding animal...for them to be using a katana or broadsword. Where the 'sparkledogs' thing came from is all on you.



 

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No fantasy of mine. I posted what I'd want from a katana or broadsword wielding animal...for them to be using a katana or broadsword. Where the 'sparkledogs' thing came from is all on you.
Because it looked like a sparkledog to me and so I asked?

Well ok, I apprehensively asked if it wasn't a sparkledog, because those things are kinda spooky, especially when they start showing up in large numbers! I'm surprised that you can't just go back to that post and read what I wrote, but... what-ev!

This whole bit about me stomping on your ideas though, that was entirely in your head. If you had just said "haha, no!" that would have been the end of it. I figured maybe you like to be crucified or something, IDK. *shrugs*

 

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On topic: I honestly find dogs with swords in their mouths just very goofy. I don't so much find the concept implausible as I have a hard time accepting the mechanics behind it. A human with a sword in hand looks good because the human hand is capable of performing a wide swing arc - it has a great range of motion. A dog's head has nowhere near the same range of motion, thus a dog with a katana held in its mouth sideways just doesn't feel like it has the same "oomph" behind it. I've often said that melee weapons often just need to be longer to look bigger, because that makes their swings appear to hit harder.

Dogs and melee weapons, to my mind at least, don't really mix, at least no in a way that's anatomically logical for a dog to wield them. Dogs and other powersets, though, that I could see. I have no problem with a dog spitting missiles or having chainguns mounted on its back. None of that stuff relies on physics that just look plain wrong.

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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BTW, it's not really that far to go from this:

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To this:

 

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On topic: I honestly find dogs with swords in their mouths just very goofy. I don't so much find the concept implausible as I have a hard time accepting the mechanics behind it. A human with a sword in hand looks good because the human hand is capable of performing a wide swing arc - it has a great range of motion. A dog's head has nowhere near the same range of motion, thus a dog with a katana held in its mouth sideways just doesn't feel like it has the same "oomph" behind it. I've often said that melee weapons often just need to be longer to look bigger, because that makes their swings appear to hit harder.

Dogs and melee weapons, to my mind at least, don't really mix, at least no in a way that's anatomically logical for a dog to wield them. Dogs and other powersets, though, that I could see. I have no problem with a dog spitting missiles or having chainguns mounted on its back. None of that stuff relies on physics that just look plain wrong.
A dog would require a melee weapon designed specifically for it. It might be possible to make, say, a double bladed weapon that's meant to be held in the middle by a dog's mouth, which it would use in lieu of biting. You'd have to assume that a dog could be intelligent enough to know to use it as effectively as their own teeth.

Maybe it would make more sense though to have something like metal claws on their front paws?

 

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Maybe it would make more sense though to have something like metal claws on their front paws?
That's what I mean - this would make more sense in terms of what something with a dog's body shape could do and still look good doing it. But then you run into the problem of being unable to reuse any of the existing assets, and that's very unlikely to happen.

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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That's what I mean - this would make more sense in terms of what something with a dog's body shape could do and still look good doing it. But then you run into the problem of being unable to reuse any of the existing assets, and that's very unlikely to happen.
Yeah, I was thinking more about how a dog could wield a weapon in a practical way, assuming a dog could know to use it as an extension of his or herself.

I tried Googling 'dog weapon' for a quick search to see if anyone anywhere at any time ever pondered this idea. Apparently not. Using dogs as weapons though...

 

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Well, the Soviets experimented with anti-tank dogs, but I don't think players would like that sort of powerset very much.

Other than that, you hit the nail on the head - how would a dog (or a cat or a bear) use a weapon in a way that appears practical? I know the trickery of video game special effects can make a lot of thing seem plausible when they really aren't (that's every attack in Dual Pistols, for instance), but I honestly lack the imagination to even picture this concept. Still images are easy enough to make, but it's the idea in motion where my brain draws a blank.

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Dogs and melee weapons, to my mind at least, don't really mix
That's because dog is a ranged set:

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Because it looked like a sparkledog to me and so I asked?

Well ok, I apprehensively asked if it wasn't a sparkledog, because those things are kinda spooky, especially when they start showing up in large numbers! I'm surprised that you can't just to back to that post and read what I wrote, but... what-ev!

This whole bit about me stomping on your ideas though, that was entirely in your head. If you had just said "haha, no!" that would have been the end of it. I figured maybe you like to be crucified or something, IDK. *shrugs*
Meh, I'm not really bugged beyond my first pair of responses. You did point out "What's with all the dogs with weapons in their mouths?" like I'm suppose to write a thesis explaining it or something. I was and am just posting what I'd like from animals wielding weapons.

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On topic: I honestly find dogs with swords in their mouths just very goofy. I don't so much find the concept implausible as I have a hard time accepting the mechanics behind it. A human with a sword in hand looks good because the human hand is capable of performing a wide swing arc - it has a great range of motion. A dog's head has nowhere near the same range of motion, thus a dog with a katana held in its mouth sideways just doesn't feel like it has the same "oomph" behind it. I've often said that melee weapons often just need to be longer to look bigger, because that makes their swings appear to hit harder.
Animals are faster and can be more flexible in their body movements. I'd imagine a dog/cat in melee would look something like Blanca from Shadow Hearts II. Claws attacks would be simple slashes and bites but he also had acrobatic and dynamic moves that used the whole body, even leaping in the air and doing backflips to knock foes up.

No, I wouldn't imagine a dog simply swinging his neck to slash at a foe with a sword in his mouth. The dog would lunge and turn their whole body (reminiscent of chasing their tail) to get that cut.

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BTW, it's not really that far to go from this:



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What? I don't understand how that relates.

 

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Well, the Soviets experimented with anti-tank dogs, but I don't think players would like that sort of powerset very much.

Other than that, you hit the nail on the head - how would a dog (or a cat or a bear) use a weapon in a way that appears practical? I know the trickery of video game special effects can make a lot of thing seem plausible when they really aren't (that's every attack in Dual Pistols, for instance), but I honestly lack the imagination to even picture this concept. Still images are easy enough to make, but it's the idea in motion where my brain draws a blank.
Well, a dog has no hands, so the only way they can hold things is with their mouth. So if they were going to wield a weapon at all (as opposed to just having one mounted on them somewhere), it would probably have to be with a "mouth-handle". It would also have to be something more effective than their own teeth in order to be worth it, though.

So probably when the dog uses this weapon it has in its mouth, it's gonna have to swing its head around. I'm pretty sure that will make it a lot more difficult to keep a lock on its target though, seeing as a dog's eyes are also in its head! Perhaps if the weapon was always oriented forward. You'd have to imagine something like a blade shooting directly out from its muzzle, so basically it can stab with its snout by lunging forward with it.

That's the best I can come up with right now though.

 

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Maybe it would make more sense though to have something like metal claws on their front paws?
Because dogs are known to scratch stuff besides the ground to dig holes or their own selves. Or maybe I misremember wolves actually trying to scratch stuff while they're biting stuff....nope.

A cat, maybe, of course.

 

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Because dogs are known to scratch stuff besides the ground to dig holes or their own selves. Or maybe I misremember wolves actually trying to scratch stuff while they're biting stuff....nope.

A cat, maybe, of course.
Your jocular attempts at pedantic banter have become tiresome. You ought to have realized by now that we're talking about animals that would be intelligent enough to know what weapons are, how to properly use them and how to train themselves to use them as well as possible.

 

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Your jocular attempts at pedantic banter have become tiresome. You ought to have realized by now that we're talking about animals that would be intelligent enough to know what weapons are, how to properly use them and how to train themselves to use them as well as possible.
Perhaps you didn't read the title: PC Animals.

That's 'Player Controlled Animals'. Of course they're intelligent enough if they're going to be speaking with contacts, going into missions, disarming bombs, using computers and being as perceptive as a player can be with their regular type characters.

 

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Perhaps you didn't read the title: PC Animals.

That's 'Player Controlled Animals'. Of course they're intelligent enough if they're going to be speaking with contacts, going into missions, disarming bombs, using computers and being as perceptive as a player can be with their regular type characters.
So if they're that intelligent, why then would a wolf not be able to use paw mounted metal claws if he or she wanted to? Just because?