Reichsman still equal parts tedious and annoying.
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Posted on: 2011-02-08 16:49 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The only time I ran it, we didn't. I lived. Barely. That part was awesome. However....|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
The last time I ran Barracuda, we almost didn't wipe on the ambushes.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the only AT you need to get rid of reichsmans phasing is a defender or a mm, the rest doesnt really matter
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Now, it might just be that I usually play Khan with a team leader who likes the TF a goodly amount, and is really good at mitigating the bad parts of the TF. Also, I tend to run it with a group of players I know and like, so mitigating factors are present.
That being said, I kinda like the TF. It's short. It's simple. It's got some interesting scenery, and the final fight isn't a hard time for us, at all. We gank Reichs, until an AV drops, and then we gank the AV while the tank holds Reichs off our backs, rinse and repeat. At slow speeds, we still finish in under an hour.
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What.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Or the LRSF where you are instantaneously killed, repeatedly, and fail every time?
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I stopped running the STF last week because it's just dang long. I logged in today, went to FF and almost instrantly formed a team; Khan done in 29 minutes. As soon as I got out, I hopped on another team: done in 27 minutes. As soon as that was done, yet another team formed in 5 minutes: done in 28 minutes. So in the time that it would take to form and run one STF, I ran three Khans. I'll get a lot of progress towards the badges this week.
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6 Kahns in 3.5 hours. best time was 23 minutes|
Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
I *love* the ambushes in the Barracuda TF. It's one of my favourite bits of the whole game. I wish there were more like it -- that's what the reactor ambushes in the respec trial should be like, not endless hanging around waiting for a couple of measly spawns.
Still, that said, sometimes it pays to know the speed runners on the server. One hour, two Khans, two Notices :-) |
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Reichsman + 4 AVs easier than Reichsman + 12+ Ambushes of Melees, AoEs, Marksman, and Mezers.
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You don't *need* a Defender or MM; I did cuda tonight without any. The team was DPS-heavy, though, with 3 Doms, 2 Corrs, a Blaster, a Brute, and a Scrapper. We wiped only once, we came back and cleaned house. We did have two sources of -regen, though, since our Corrs were /Dark and /Kin, respectively.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
The only time I ran it, we didn't. I lived. Barely. That part was awesome. However....
And that is why we failed. No MM (this was before side-switching), couldn't turn off his phasing, couldn't kill him. Terrible design. Why should you NEED a Defender or MM? Is there any other encounter in the game for which you NEED a Defender or MM? Or any specific AT? Most teams I end up on are pretty diverse without such stupid arbitrary requirements. I also have to wonder just how much of a rush there was to get i15 out for the anniversary that they'd let the new guy design this thing and then not bother to check his work, since the "you need this, this, this and this to succeed" philosophy runs counter to, oh, just about everything else in the game. /end rant. |
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Originally Posted by Scythus
What.
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All three times I've tried it.
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Reichsman is the most boring, dumbest fight in the entire game, and I have no idea who thought that was a good design. It's on the same level of tedium as taking down Mole Machines, and is usually about as dangerous. Sleep resistance is especially important in that last fight.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Ran a Kahn last night- easiest I ever done. Nazi-boy only stunned me and dropped me into the red once. With the lvl shift and my build, I was sitting at 52-57% S/L defense and capped S/L resists, so I basically pulled him to a corner, put taunt on auto and read a book at my desk while keeping one eye on the fight. Trying 'Cuda tonight, I'm curious if it's as easy.
The Incarnate Alpha makes a huge difference in these fights, more then I expected. With the 'Cuda, instead of the corner pull, I am debating standing right in the entryway to Reich's room and handling him and all the ambushes with a combo of Auto-taunt, Hand Clap and Foot Stomp.
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Originally Posted by Leandro
I stopped running the STF last week because it's just dang long. I logged in today, went to FF and almost instrantly formed a team; Khan done in 29 minutes. As soon as I got out, I hopped on another team: done in 27 minutes. As soon as that was done, yet another team formed in 5 minutes: done in 28 minutes. So in the time that it would take to form and run one STF, I ran three Khans. I'll get a lot of progress towards the badges this week.
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This...
I did two Kahn TFs last night in a span of an hour (maybe a 1-3 mins. longer than an hour).
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So an hour and a half is 'dang long'?
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Originally Posted by Leandro
I stopped running the STF last week because it's just dang long. I logged in today, went to FF and almost instrantly formed a team; Khan done in 29 minutes. As soon as I got out, I hopped on another team: done in 27 minutes. As soon as that was done, yet another team formed in 5 minutes: done in 28 minutes. So in the time that it would take to form and run one STF, I ran three Khans. I'll get a lot of progress towards the badges this week.
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It is for me. Not that I think I could do an STF in an hour and a half (never done an STF. Don't really play blueside.) I don't think I've done a run of the LRSF in less than two hours ever (often, it's about at the 2:30 or 3 hour mark that we give up and go to bed.)
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
So an hour and a half is 'dang long'?
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Did 3 Kahns last night at about 35 minutes a piece. Easy enough way to get notice on 3 alts.
Personally I don't really see the beef with it. Most AV fights are pounding on a large sack of HP, it's just the decor that changes. Here (and cudda) it's the use of temp powers. In ITF it's the fact that he rezzes in between beatdowns. In STF, you beat up towers first. Yes, Reichman is a larger sack of HP, but honestly it doesn't take too long on a good team.
I like the speed and simplicity of Kahn. Cudda lags too much, and really doesn't reward sufficiently.
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Without really rushing or doing a "Speed run," my teams of fairly experienced players were completing the STF in about 1:10 to 1:20. That included some stealthing (to the Vines Room) and a few other standard shortcuts, but we weren't really doing an full speed run.|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
It is for me. Not that I think I could do an STF in an hour and a half (never done an STF. Don't really play blueside.) I don't think I've done a run of the LRSF in less than two hours ever (often, it's about at the 2:30 or 3 hour mark that we give up and go to bed.)
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With Kahn last night, I ran 3 with PUGs. 40 min, 40 min and 37 Min. Again, standard shortcuts but not really a "speed run."
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Yea, this is my one beef with the barracuda SF. Without a MM (or defender nowadays) you need A LOT of debuffs or insane dps to get Reichsy down. I've been on a PuG recently that simply couldn't kill Reichs while we had zero problems killing the other AVs or handling the massive ambushes. |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
In 'cuda, you either have the right ATs to get all the temp powers, and you conquer it as though it's nothing more than a minor speed bump, or you don't have the AT mix designated by on high and you spend two hours beating on the guy only to realize you'll never win.
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Other than that I find the 5th Column TFs to be quite fun. Never had any problems with Reichsy on the Kahn TF.
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This aswell.
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Originally Posted by Blood_Beret
6 Kahns in 3.5 hours. best time was 23 minutes
2 Cudas 3.15 hours. Best time 1h 30 minutes Reichsman + 4 AVs easier than Reichsman + 12+ Ambushes of Melees, AoEs, Marksman, and Mezers. Also on Cuda you have to pretty much clear the map to get all the patrons. Cuda needs to be worth more Merits. |
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I don't know. I quite enjoyed the under 5 minutes, Reichsman and 4 AVs, Kahn TF I ran last night |
Originally Posted by Signpost
Reichsman fights are the most boring evar!
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I had run 4 Kahns yesterday, none of them were really that long, but that one, it was a question of who would go down first Reichsman or the last AV. And we had 2 AVs up at time except for when the 1st was activated, and when the last went down.
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You take a break? |
Originally Posted by Vanden
What, you think it's somehow more boring than in Kahn, where there are no ambushes or temp powers, and instead you just occasionally take a break from beating on him to defeat a more cooperative AV?
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We were just beating on all of them at the same time!
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Finished a Kahn in 19 min. yesterday. Whole TF from beginning to end. 19 minutes. Reischman went down in less than 2 of those minutes. YMMV, but it's really hard for me to get bored with anything in less than 2 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Reichsman is the most boring, dumbest fight in the entire game, and I have no idea who thought that was a good design. It's on the same level of tedium as taking down Mole Machines, and is usually about as dangerous. Sleep resistance is especially important in that last fight.
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Bloody hate the last mission of Reichsman. Although the constant having to talk to Baracuda despite you having the damn fishes cell number already is really tedious.
So, last mission, we have;
1) Temp powers that would help if there was any explanation for them at all outside of info which people often dont look at
2) Ambushes all made up of LTs and Bosses which have massive ammonts of AoE
3) HOMING ambushes that will chase you to the mission door as soon as you get back from hospital, making it a slog just to get back to the AV room
4) Did I mention just how LONG these damn ambushes go on for? There must be nearly as many as the number of Romans you need to kill in the final ITF mission for crying out loud!
5) Reichsman. What else can I say, really? Big, cheaty, sack of bloody HP, mother ****ing Reichsman with his god damned AoE attacks. He's dull, he's boring. He's not a 'challenge' to fight. He's just bloody tedious.
Gimme a LRSF, LGTF or ITF any day. At least those are fun.