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Posted on: 2010-09-04 10:38 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Don't worry too much, look at the other fun long treaded topic in this thread and you can find a fairly good power pool replacement for Fitness |
Originally Posted by KingSnake
So basically........ I'm getting 3 new power for ALL my builds, which is cool, but in essence zero slots to put in them... since i'll still need to slot the inherent fitness line... (which, is normally only a small hand full of slots anyways.)
so all my builds will need massive reworking and prolly reslotting ALL my powers to try and find some slots to make use of some of these new powers i'll have... It's an OK change I guess. I personally dislike "throw a way" powers, but with no slots to slot into my 3 new powers... 3 powers i might add i'll need to figure out what to take... that matches my concepts... all 40 of them... yeah, this looks more like WORK for *me* then a bonus.  But i am happy for everyone else who really wanted this. |
. Leadership, since Vengeance is effective with 1 power-slot, it can be nice to use.Although really, best idea is to wait till it happens and run the numbers then
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I have a sneaking suspicion they might leave the Fitness pool in, allowing UBER-SUPER-MAX levels of recovery to those willing to make the investment...|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Well, I'm happy enough about the Fitness becoming Inherent issue, however, I do wonder if the Pool will be replaced with a new 10th Pool.
If it is a Pool of "good out of the box" powers, that might resolve this whole issue.  |
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Considering Castle's post (no Inherent fitness if you have the power pool Fitness powers), I believe the Fitness pool is gone, completely.
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agreed. no double-stacking.
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Originally Posted by Dalantia
Considering Castle's post (no Inherent fitness if you have the power pool Fitness powers), I believe the Fitness pool is gone, completely.
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Anyone that doesnt like this will be put in the "Fitness Protection Program".Federal marshals will be coming for you soon.
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Well put. Annoying and hard are not the same thing.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
The game is too easy, but it's not too easy because Stamina will become inherent. Endurance management in this game is annoying not hard. This is a great change.
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
this game is already very easy on 4/8. making stamina inehernt makes it much easier and takes away alot of what was fun/challenging about making builds.
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I have a couple of toons that could survive it....but "very easy"? I would say that most of my toons could not come close to competing. That's not a setting I use. Kinda cool in my eyes since that means I haven't topped out or anything. I can still make the game harder if I want.
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Unless I have this wrong, aren't we talking about needing two slots total for the fitness pool? (assuming you want to 3 slot Stamina) That should be doable with frankenslotting.|
Originally Posted by KingSnake
So basically........ I'm getting 3 new power for ALL my builds, which is cool, but in essence zero slots to put in them... since i'll still need to slot the inherent fitness line... (which, is normally only a small hand full of slots anyways.)
so all my builds will need massive reworking and prolly reslotting ALL my powers to try and find some slots to make use of some of these new powers i'll have... |
Or maybe we'll be able to get more slots one of these days....
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I understand your concern, but IMO then is an improvement.
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Didn't really mean to imply it wasn't an improvement. It is. It adds flexability and flavor. Also adds complexity if you want to min/max and frankenslot to get the most out of slot and power choices.
You see... funny thing is... I almost always trained fitness for on my builds for the simple fact they were good out of box powers i didn't have to slot, to SAVE slots for other powers... most builds i don't even really slot stam cause i got set bonuses that do the job. Can't do that anymore. LOL
For new guys i make, i'll just plan accordingly. For all 40 of my alts that are "done" for the most part... it'll be a pretty major "recon" for me... revised builds, new powers to explain and work into my builds, and maybe a few "throw a way" powers when i'm just stuck, and a few guys just left as is cause i don't really play them much and won't bother with the hassle.
In otherwords my issues with the change are mainly my own doing. I have very OCD like tendencys when it comes to concept, effectiveness, and throw aways powers. (it took me 3 YEARS before i'd allow my tanks/scrapper to train the fighting pool for tough and weave cause i didn't like taking a throw away power in the form or boxing and kick. It really bugged me the first few times i did it... but i'm better now... >.>)
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Sounds like a great change. I do agree that some implementations would be better than others. Personally, I would would like hurdle to get a toggle. Swift is small enough to not need a toggle itself, but having taken hurdle on quit a few builds, it is noticeable. I'm sure others would also like to ignore this bonus, if just for thematic reasons. A toggle is quick and simple. I would also like to see them do a review of enhancement slot availability. Do we need more, no. But, when was the last time you actually though about three slotting your travel power to use an IO set? I though about it when issue 9 first came out. Never got around to it though. Never enough slots to waste them on my travel power.
I can think of a couple of ways to add slots that would not be too intrusive to their current balance. The first would be to add a second slot to some of the toggle powers in end' heavy power sets. This lets Castle control overall balance. The second, start giving out more slots at a lower level (ie, give out 3 starting at level 25, adding 3 total) . This way, they can add what ever number extra they felt wouldn't break the game.
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment"
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment" |
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment" |
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For alts with flight, they probably 3 slotted swift also to make that 4 slots.
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Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo
Unless I have this wrong, aren't we talking about needing two slots total for the fitness pool? (assuming you want to 3 slot Stamina) That should be doable with frankenslotting.
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I think this only serves to remind folks that slotting is not uniform. I usually have Swift 1-4 slotted, depending on character, Health 3 slotted and Stamina 3 slotted. All slottings are using TO/DO/SO's until I can get them slotted with Common IO's (the higher the better). I've only got two characters with Stamina 4 slotted due to Performance Shfiter.|
Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo
Unless I have this wrong, aren't we talking about needing two slots total for the fitness pool? (assuming you want to 3 slot Stamina) That should be doable with frankenslotting.
Or maybe we'll be able to get more slots one of these days.... |
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment" |
when?
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This has already been discussed and disproved by concrete examples earlier in this thread. Stop being paranoid. |
Originally Posted by MadHobbit
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment" |
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With the changes to base fly in i18, you honestly don't need to slot fly at all, or put slots in swift for fly anymore. The only reason you'd need to is if you wanted set bonuses, or perhaps to increase Hover's speed.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
For alts with flight, they probably 3 slotted swift also to make that 4 slots.
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
With the changes to base fly in i18, you honestly don't need to slot fly at all, or put slots in swift for fly anymore. The only reason you'd need to is if you wanted set bonuses, or perhaps to increase Hover's speed.
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Yeah, like with Stalkers. They took away their... uh... you know... that thing that... uh... did stuff or something, but to placate the Stalker players they gave them a fear and tohit debuff AoE in AS and increased the chance of crits the more teammates that are near you. Now they only did that because of the nerf to... uh... you know... that Stalker AT thing that was nerfed at the same time. So i really see where you're coming from.
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
ok,just one question, if they are being so nice to us, I wonder when the other shoe will drop?
In the past when they were nice to us they were off setting some nerf or neg 'adjustment" |
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More to the point. It's like 5-10mph from the cap, just with base fly and swift with 1 slot. So, slotting it isn't going to get you anything, again, except in the case of Hover.
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Originally Posted by Psyte
Need? Maybe not. Want to? Oh yes
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
With the changes to base fly in i18, you honestly don't need to slot fly at all, or put slots in swift for fly anymore. The only reason you'd need to is if you wanted set bonuses, or perhaps to increase Hover's speed.
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so basuically i dont need to slot fligth with blessing of the zephyr (?) anymore?!?! and instead put it in hover?
I have Swift +
Currently in flight:
3 slots: Lvl 50 Blessing, lvl 50 Freebird fly, lvl 50 freebird End.
Should i move those to hover?
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Note the point where I said "unless you want set bonuses." I don't know if they'd perform better in Fly or Hover. I had the freebird fly, and the fly end in fly myself, but I've just gone down to a base IO slot, to get that slot back for something else, didn't affect my speed at all, I don't have hover though.
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Originally Posted by Teeko
so basuically i dont need to slot fligth with blessing of the zephyr (?) anymore?!?! and instead put it in hover?
I have Swift + Currently in flight: 3 slots: Lvl 50 Blessing, lvl 50 Freebird fly, lvl 50 freebird End. Should i move those to hover? |
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Because for some reason everyone's still whining about Fitness or something. I honestly don't even understand what the argument's about, to be honest. It's especially absurd that the devs threw us a bone and did something that's purely beneficial and has no negative side-effects and people are still complaining and nitpicking about it.
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so all my builds will need massive reworking and prolly reslotting ALL my powers to try and find some slots to make use of some of these new powers i'll have...
It's an OK change I guess. I personally dislike "throw a way" powers, but with no slots to slot into my 3 new powers... 3 powers i might add i'll need to figure out what to take... that matches my concepts... all 40 of them... yeah, this looks more like WORK for *me* then a bonus.
But i am happy for everyone else who really wanted this.