Discussion: Full Powerset Proliferation Revealed
By
13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2008-03-28 11:16 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
I'm pretty disappointed with this initial offering for Villains. Maybe there are better things planned for the next round of power set swaps. Maybe there were some fantastic obvious reasons based on data available only to the devs that make all of this totally make sense. All kinds of maybes rolling around in my head...
... but... right now...
... right now I'm pretty disappointed with this initial offering for Villains.
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well at least it's obivous that you guys hate the villains now.
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Please explain in a REASONABLE manner.. why/how they hate villains.
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Seriously have you ever played a villain? Even looking at this totally from a pve perspective you can see the biasness that the devs have towards villains. Heroes get the best buff villains sets. With Power Boost those sets get to be even better. Secondly look at the Patron powers vs the Epics, look at the overall design of the STF vs LRSF. One requires a balanced team to succeed easier the other requires a team heavily skewed with certain builds to succeed easier. Really to me aside from Battle Axe and Storm powers going villainside, villains were royally screwed if you cant see that then you are playing a totally different game than the rest of us.
LoL@ Elec/Elec Stalkers, Earth/Elec Doms. I can see doms killing themselves if they get chain induction and pair it with Mind or Plant.
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
I would like to know where I'm wrong about Ice Armor being counterintuitive of fury, if you have the chance to shoot me a PM so I can correct myself during future debates on this topic.
Also, hey guys, Ice/Dark Melee tanks!
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I'm sort of on board with folks who say Villains got the shaft in this deal, particularly from a PvP perspective.
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/Satire
Pessimism is part of villainy. Therefor, villains will always feel shafted.
/Satire
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Oh man. Get ready for /Storm MM's. Bots/Storm anyone?
/Thermal Controllers? Should be okay.
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Forget Bot/Storm, im ready for my necro/storm: a black cloud of -acc, lightning, and projectile vomit......with the occasional critical hit 
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Please explain in a REASONABLE manner.. why/how they hate villains.
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Seriously have you ever played a villain? Even looking at this totally from a pve perspective you can see the biasness that the devs have towards villains. Heroes get the best buff villains sets. With Power Boost those sets get to be even better. Secondly look at the Patron powers vs the Epics, look at the overall design of the STF vs LRSF. One requires a balanced team to succeed easier the other requires a team heavily skewed with certain builds to succeed easier. Really to me aside from Battle Axe and Storm powers going villainside, villains were royally screwed if you cant see that then you are playing a totally different game than the rest of us.
LoL@ Elec/Elec Stalkers, Earth/Elec Doms. I can see doms killing themselves if they get chain induction and pair it with Mind or Plant.
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Yes, but this is YOU we're talking about. Also: tl;dr.
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Dominator
<ul type="square">[*]New Primary - Earth Control
[*]New Secondary - Electricity Manipulation[/list]
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I AM GOING TO EAT BRAINS NOW! 
All that is planned fails. All that is born dies.
All that is built crumbles. This will always be true.
But memories remain, And that is beautiful.
I'm going to end up with an Electric Dominator, one way or another. Probably also a Pipe Wrench Brute, who will no doubt need a suitably silly battle-cry.
DarkityTanks are going to have all manner of good times.
I do kinda wish Scrappers had got Super Strength. Still, everyone likes fire!
BackAlleyBrawler: I can't facepalm this post hard enough.
ShoNuff: If sophisticated = bro-mantically emo-tastic, then I'm going to keep to my Shonen loving simplicity dammit.
Sad, bloody sad day for Villains and Heroes. Well lets hope VEATS make up for this news. Least we'll have something new there that hopefully more thought was placed into. I hope there is a bigger wave with more of a "punch" behind this one. Beacause most of us was expecting a 50' wave, not a splash in the kiddy pool.
Yeah I am totally excited, but yet totally PO'd about this. I would like to see a red name explain why heros get cold and therm and villains get double storm. No emp. And if they even once thought hmmm how would this affect PVP. A bots storm mm sounds fun. but cmon now.
YES! Firey Melee and Firey Aura are what I've always wanted for Scrappers! With Issue 12 I can see myself buying extra slots to make the following:
Elec/Elec Stalker
Fire/Fire Scrapper
Night Widow VEAT
Fortunata VEAT
Bane Spider VEAT
Crab Spider VEAT
BaB, please please please say that the assassination for Electric Melee on Stalkers is not the Squat Shove.
Playstation 3 - XBox 360 - Wii - PSP
Remember kids, crack is whack!
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Controllers shouldn't have got Thermal.
Stalkers shouldn't have got Elec / Elec.
Tanks didn't want DA / DM.
Other than that, it's okay.
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Masterminds should never have gotten Storm.
Sonic would have been a good choice for them ... but not Storm. Nosir!
I am underwhelmed by both offerings, mostly because I wanted to see some improvements to melee. Zero interest in Dark Tanks or Electric Stalkers. I saw a lot of threads about Ice Stalkers and I think that community was clear on what it wanted and it wasn't Electric and there is no Fury oriented reason for that...
Overall congrats to Brutes, Blasters and Defenders. Maybe Dominators because Earth Control + Damage is fairly awesome even if electric isn't that exciting. Feel a little bad for Master Minds, nothing new in primaries and a secondary that Corrupters got too and will use better. Add them to my list next to Stalkers ( as usual )and Tanks who got defecated upon.
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Storm Masterminds will Rule.
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I agree. And it makes me wonder if this means the next MM primary will have something to do with the elements.
Very excited with the new powers. Can't wait to make an Ice/Thermal Controller. Wish /Cold was given to controllers as well though. :/
I am a little disappointed that villain didn't get /empathy for either Masterminds or Corruptors. It would've evened things out because heroes got /Cold and /Thermal.
Still I'm very glad to to finally see the list. Thanks LH.
-Stygian
Okay, I'll bite:
Which sets should have gotten ported over for villains?
In my personal case, more stuff is more stuff, so I'm happy and going to be soon considering buying new slots or a second account for alts both blueside and redside.
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!
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AWWWWWW come on, any chance we can get poison in there for controllers. Thermal is just almost an exact copy of empathy with a tad of sonic lets get something new. Besides it themes with plant nicely anyways PLEASE.
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No, Poison stays on the red side and Empathy will stay on the blue side.
Poison Pill
*unless you trade me some crack*
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Storm Masterminds will Rule.
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I agree. And it amkes me wonder if this means the next MM primary will have something to do with the elements.
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Ninja/Storm FTW! 
Wow... some you people seriously just suck.
The game just added HUNDREDS of power sets. If you can't find any you like? Find a new game... seriously... leave.
Gift Horse / Mouth anyone?
Make a man a fire and keep him warm for the day, SET a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Incarnates: K'lir(Fire/Dark Corr):Hot-House Flower(Plant/Fire Dom):Kinrad X(Kin/Rad Def):Itsy-Bitsy Spider(Crab):Two Ton Tony(Mace/WP Broot):Teeny Weeny Widow(Fortunata/Widow) : Zeroth Law (Ice/Fire Tank)
Geez, the stuff for Villains isn't THAT bad. It's not 733t, but it's solid enough. You'd think the Devs had given heroes new sets and replaced all Villain powers with Brawl, the way these posts are going.
In my book, this kind of thing is gravy for us - enjoy what you get, but the real updates are the Issues that NCSoft keeps spamming with loving regularity. If the bonus present isn't amazingly awesome, at least it's pretty good, and heck, it's "bonus."
Anyway, now I have to go roll some alts.
-Gears
It is critical that you pay attention at this time.
Gaming in Limited Times
Guide to Plant/Ice Doms
The *ONLY* reason I see brutes getting SR is to fight 40+ Longbow, with their Sonic Grenades. It's still counter-intuitive though, it's not going to build fury as fast as a resist set.
Does anyone else find it funny that the reasoning they used for not giving Brutes Ice Armor make for a very good reason why it should be on a stalker?
Electic armor is going to be a mess for a stalker.
"Steady as a mountain, attack like fire, still as a wood, swift as the wind.
In heaven and earth I alone am to be revered."
- Motto on the war banner of Takeda Shingen (1521-1573)
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villains got PWNED once again... gg devs
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How likely is it that they will listen when most PVP/Villain flavor posts come
off like a screaming child in Wal-Mart?
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Probably cause it worked for Heroes.
I think they forgot to add the "DOOOOM" shield to both heroes and villains.