Discussion: Full Powerset Proliferation Revealed
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13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2008-03-28 11:16 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
I don't think we should be mad at the devs for these changes. *cough cough* Producer of CoH is the one we should be complaining too!
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Interesting to see even Pve'ers think its unfair(pvpwise) that heroes get cold and thermal.
El1x1r
lvl 50 Ill/Emp Controller
Lowbie Ill/Therm Controller
I don't PvP.
I don't play Stalkers much (still need fixing IMO).
I have close to 100 toons split 60/40 villains/heroes so most of this sounds juicy to me.
MMs are my fave AT evah so anything for them is a good thing.
My second-highest toon is a Blaster and Mental Manip sound too good to be true.
The devs have said that this is the first round of proliferation so I expect more.
I AM a tad dissappointed that they didn't take some sort of poll, even an informal one, to get an idea of what the players wanted most. I understand that things take time and perhaps these were the sets most easily ported over.
The only things that bothers me with CoX in general is that the devs seem to like taking the easy road too much. They also seem to be great at giving us what they think is cool but not what we want.
I would gladly push back the new zone 3 months for a better Team Finder function. The new adjustible Power Trays...how long did we ask far an improvement there? More slots per server...asked for since before Villains went live I'll bet? Fixes to bugs (*cough Placate cough*). Improvements to Bases. The list is long and familier.
I LOVE new content. The recent changes/additions to Powers is great. But many of these are things that not something every player will see. Better UI...better Team Finder...server slots...Power trays...THESE things affect nearly every player in the game. IMHO these things need to be addressed.
Not saying stop everything but I would be happier with the new shinies if the old ones were less tarnished.
"Comics, you're not a Mastermind...you're an Overlord!"
Not really sure any of the sets "grabs" me.
But this is a great start.
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WHAT!? What is this garbage? Take it away and next time I want SPRINKLES!
No Remorse
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I don't think we should be mad at the devs for these changes. *cough cough* Producer of CoH is the one we should be complaining too!
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Interesting to see even Pve'ers think its unfair(pvpwise) that heroes get cold and thermal.
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you'd have to be one of the most disingenious people ever to not question it even a little bit. LOL.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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Storm Masterminds will Rule.
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I agree. And it amkes me wonder if this means the next MM primary will have something to do with the elements.
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Ninja/Storm FTW!
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Yes. Won't it be wonderful when your melee pets have even more reasons to stand around and use their ranged attacks?
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Well, since that's apparently all they do anyway, at least going by the talk on the forums...
I admit it, I don't have a NinjaMind. I just make assumptions based on what people who do have NinjaMinds complain about.
BackAlleyBrawler: I can't facepalm this post hard enough.
ShoNuff: If sophisticated = bro-mantically emo-tastic, then I'm going to keep to my Shonen loving simplicity dammit.
Constructively though - I don't think this is the end of power proliferation.
BaB stated that others were possible but would require more dev time to port. That probably means that more stuff is in the works, but this is all the "easy to get out" stuff. Honestly, if one plans to leave the game because of the initial offering, your probably throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Tanks didn't want DA / DM.
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We didn't want DA, thats news to me.
Mmmm, Dark Tanks. Me Likey.
But Super Reflexes for Brutes? As much as I love Super Reflexes, that just doesen't seem to fit Brutes from a conceptual standpoint at all.
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Constructively though - I don't think this is the end of power proliferation. BaB stated that others were possible but would require more dev time to port. That probably means that more stuff is in the works, but this is all the "easy to get out" stuff. Honestly, if one plans to leave the game because of the initial offering, your probably throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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reasonably very true.
unfortunatly I can see how the pvpers would definetly NOT want to wait for th 3-6 months it might take to get the next round while heroes run around with thermal+empathy+cold domination.
They will probably be back in the future though when the rest of pp (lol, pp) comes through.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Pwn to the vills, Heroes ftw.....thank u devs *sheds a tear*
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Storm Masterminds will Rule.
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I agree. And it amkes me wonder if this means the next MM primary will have something to do with the elements.
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Ninja/Storm FTW!
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Yes. Won't it be wonderful when your melee pets have even more reasons to stand around and use their ranged attacks?
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No, it just means that Scirocco is mandatory for /storm MMs.
Poison Pill
LOL!
Look at all the [censored]. 1st round of Proliferation and the whine machine is cranked up to full.
Thanks Devs, sorry you have to take so much flak for making the game even better issue after issue.
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I would like to know where I'm wrong about Ice Armor being counterintuitive of fury, if you have the chance to shoot me a PM so I can correct myself during future debates on this topic.
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Your only mistake is not adding the words as is
There are plenty of modificatiosn that could be made to a Brute version of Ice Armour/melee to make it more fury friendly.
Always remember, we were Heroes.
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Also, I think it's important to remember that the devs have said this is only the "first round" of Powerset Proliferation. So if there's a powerset you wanted to see on a certain AT, it might still show up.
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I really hope they someday make new PB/WS only primary and secondaries. I always wanted a melee only human build or a ranged only human build for my pb.
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I think you've summed up what I don't like about them, a greater flexibility like this would've made me play one more.
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Which sets should have gotten ported over for villains?
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Brute: the primaries are fine; the Secondary ... hrm. I don't see that there was anything ELSE to give them, but ... meh.
Corrupter: these are fine, IMO.
Dominator: either elec/elec, or earth/poison. I just want some proper, non-hand-wave-y thematic tie between the two.
Mastermind: /Sonic; I think Storm Summoning is actually too good for MMs. HEck, I think even /Empathy would have been a better choice than /Storm. (It's laughably easy for me to keep my robots' HP topped off, and I haven't a heal in my secondary at ALL ... just aid other!)
Stalker: a Cold-based primary, and an Ice-armor based secondary, would have rocked SOLID.
I admit I'm dissapointed in not seeing Elec/Elec Tankers. But I want to say in the Dev's defense, they most likely placed more of their efforts into the new content and the VEATs, and instead went with the power proliferation choice options along the path of least resistance (aka less work).
I'm still looking forward to I12. The new conent and VEATs will be keeping me busy.
**GUARDIAN**
Assault Ohm - Elec/Sonic Corruptor
Deadly Ohm - Elec/Will Brute
Invisible Ohm - Elec/Eng Stalker
Master Ohm - Elec/Elc Dominator
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Wow... some you people seriously just suck.
The game just added HUNDREDS of power sets. If you can't find any you like? Find a new game... seriously... leave.
Gift Horse / Mouth anyone?
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The *ONLY* reason I see brutes getting SR is to fight 40+ Longbow, with their Sonic Grenades. It's still counter-intuitive though, it's not going to build fury as fast as a resist set.
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Whether it is resist or defense it doesnt matter, Fury is built by the tohit checks against the brute not whether or not the attacks land. So you can get attacked all day by level 1 hellions as a lvl 50 brute and not get hit and have high fury. This is so easy to test just try it.
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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Wow... some you people seriously just suck.
The game just added HUNDREDS of power sets. If you can't find any you like? Find a new game... seriously... leave.
Gift Horse / Mouth anyone?
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This is just the first round of Powerset Proliferation, there will be more.
I would give $100 bucks to watch Elf Stalker pronounce "Proliferation" in RL.
PSI BLASTER GOING KILL ANYTHING! BUFF BY A THERMAL AND A EMP... 2 hit any type of toon.... WHY NO EMP FOR CORR
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I would be remiss if I didnt discuss Dominators. They get access to Earth control, which of course keeps them grounded for their new access to Electricity Manipulation as well. All the villain electrical effects are of course tinted in the evil red that City of Villain players have come to be familiar with.
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But... but... Illusion!
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the gods are not that crazy... yet.
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I am a sad panda... 
All that is planned fails. All that is born dies.
All that is built crumbles. This will always be true.
But memories remain, And that is beautiful.
P U to fire/fire for scrappers. 
PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW
Shard Warrior - 50 MA/Regen/BM Scrapper
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Co-Leader: Council of Heroes
"Whatever evils come this way... we will be there to stop them."
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Storm Masterminds will Rule.
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I agree. And it amkes me wonder if this means the next MM primary will have something to do with the elements.
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Ninja/Storm FTW!
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Yes. Won't it be wonderful when your melee pets have even more reasons to stand around and use their ranged attacks?