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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
Pretty much every day for the past three weeks I've been yelling as John "Protean" Hegner, because I REALLY want to play out the story arcs he had planned for Tyrant's redemption.
Yesterday he told me, "You can play it out in your imagination." My response? "Do you not understand my imagination's not good enough?! I want to play the dang story arc!!!" |
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This is probably why I loved this game so much. Endgame content has never interested me. With me, it's always been "Play twelve different characters at once". Altitis to the very end.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but you're right. The very concept of 'end game' is stupid. What CoH was different was saying "the entire game is the 'end game', if you get through it, congratulations. Now go try another of our endless powerset combinations." Which was pretty unique, and made the whole idea of 'rushing to 50' fairly dumb.
Today there's actually a reason to 'rush to 50', and I really don't think the game is better for it. |
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Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't say "We didn't need more end game, we're fine with what we have." I said "We need more 50+ content that pushes and challenges us, not a million new levels and powers to make us godly and all powerful while trivializing everything else." I never said end game was bad, I said the methods most MMOs use to create endgame were bad, and CoH didn't need to follow those same methods.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah they really broke the mold there for so many years by just not having a worthwhile end game. You hit 50, did all the Taskforces and arcs at the 45-50 level and then... rolled a new character to do the same.
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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
Pretty much every day for the past three weeks I've been yelling as John "Protean" Hegner, because I REALLY want to play out the story arcs he had planned for Tyrant's redemption.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't say "We didn't need more end game, we're fine with what we have." I said "We need more 50+ content that pushes and challenges us, not a million new levels and powers to make us godly and all powerful while trivializing everything else." I never said end game was bad, I said the methods most MMOs use to create endgame were bad, and CoH didn't need to follow those same methods.
While we're at it, would Lord Recluse, Nemesis, Rularuu, Hamidon, and Requiem be redeemed, too? |
For one, "a million new levels and powers to make us godly and all powerful" is called "new content" or possibly "character development"
As for your second point, I don't know much about Tyrant being redeemed to be honest, but why make a fuss about it?
Have any big name villains even *been* redeemed in the current lore? On the level of the ones you mentioned there, anyway.
Heh.
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I would of LOVED to have seen Scirocco turn over a new leaf...in fact I've been waiting for it for years...Oh Well.
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I didn't say it wasn't. Again, the point I've made twice now is it's just mimicking all the grinding aspects other MMOs follow while further enforcing that DBZ-esque power creep. That wasn't the only path CoH could've taken, though. We could've easily gotten dedicated level 50 content instead, that actually pushed all the abilities we've earned throughout the game while giving us real challenges. Giving us OP powers, making everything a grinding trial, introducing loads of new currencies, and sending the solo/small team players a big "Eff you" didn't need to happen at all to create a good end game.|
Originally Posted by Arachnion
For one, "a million new levels and powers to make us godly and all powerful" is called "new content" or possibly "character development"
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As for your second point, I don't know much about Tyrant being redeemed to be honest, but why make a fuss about it? Have any big name villains even *been* redeemed in the current lore? On the level of the ones you mentioned there, anyway. |
And no, no other major villains have been redeemed because it'd be a dumb idea to do so. All the prominent masterminds and archvillains are pure evil or have killed far too many people to ever have their hands washed clean. This includes Tyrant. Out of everyone in this game, Scirocco's the only villain that would ever make sense to be redeemed, purely because he's been written as the reluctant villain since day one. If they tried it with anyone else it'd be just as awkward and silly as when they were going to redeem Marauder, a man who slaughtered countless people just for being weaker than him, and make him Paragon's next big hero.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
I didn't say it wasn't. Again, the point I've made twice now is it's just mimicking all the grinding aspects other MMOs follow while further enforcing that DBZ-esque power creep. That wasn't the only path CoH could've taken, though. We could've easily gotten dedicated level 50 content instead, that actually pushed all the abilities we've earned throughout the game while giving us real challenges. Giving us OP powers, making everything a grinding trial, introducing loads of new currencies, and sending the solo/small team players a big "Eff you" didn't need to happen at all to create a good end game.
Because for starters it completely invalidates everything heroes worked towards. All Tyrant's gotta do is say "sorry" and we'll let him off the hook for everything he's done? Why should we even bother fighting crime, then, if a villain can murder countless people but will only get a slap on the wrist? And no, no other major villains have been redeemed because it'd be a dumb idea to do so. All the prominent masterminds and archvillains are pure evil or have killed far too many people to ever have their hands washed clean. This includes Tyrant. Out of everyone in this game, Scirocco's the only villain that would ever make sense to be redeemed, purely because he's been written as the reluctant villain since day one. If they tried it with anyone else it'd be just as awkward and silly as when they were going to redeem Marauder, a man who slaughtered countless people just for being weaker than him, and make him Paragon's next big hero. |
As for Tyrant and general villain redemption, it is a very thorny area.
Heroes are not supposed to harbor hate.... which is why, if a guy like Tyrant wanted to be redeemed, it'd have to be a big, winding road.
In my opinion, Heroes should be all about tolerance and forgiveness.
Tyrant would have to do something of good nature in a tremendous way, as much as he has done bad acts, to balance that or something.
Maybe he could've just stepped down from power, started helping out the common people of Praetoria... yeah this doesn't sound very believable or lore-integrable at all does it?
Scirocco though, totally different story. Perhaps only his redemption shoulda went through, if it were ever going to be. On the level of villain redemptions.
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So... did I miss something, or do we still not know for sure what the Coming Storm is?
There are hints - and I've always assumed - that it was a Shivan invasion, but catching up on some of the lore advancements since I stopped playing the game (circa 2009) I'm now wondering if it's a Battalion invasion instead and the Shivans are just harbingers.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
Rough understanding is shivans are part of Battalion - oh and to the red names - boy we will miss you thanks for all the years of fun
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Battalion are, to my understanding, like the Covenant from Halo; a mix of different alien species all working together towards a common goal. Except in this case it's because one dominant species or entity has "consumed" the other species' Wells, thereby enslaving and brainwashing the defeated species and making them part of the collective Battalion.|
Originally Posted by Mind Forever Burning
So... did I miss something, or do we still not know for sure what the Coming Storm is?
There are hints - and I've always assumed - that it was a Shivan invasion, but catching up on some of the lore advancements since I stopped playing the game (circa 2009) I'm now wondering if it's a Battalion invasion instead and the Shivans are just harbingers. |
The Shivans are simply the Battalion's scouts, though they weren't always this way. The ones that fell on Bloody Bay were from when the Shivans had their Well and weren't controlled by the Battalion. The Neo Shivans that landed in Galaxy City, however, have been conquered and mindlessly work for the Battalion. The Neo Shivans actually seek to eliminate the original Shivans now because they're not part of the Battalion, causing the originals to become passive and cooperate with Earth forces.
TL;DR - Run Drowning in Blood, talk to the ally Shivans you rescue. They tell you important stuff. Also make sure to talk to Prometheus after you've run Incarnate trials, as he'll eventually start talking to you about the Battalion.
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Originally Posted by Mind Forever Burning
So... did I miss something, or do we still not know for sure what the Coming Storm is?
There are hints - and I've always assumed - that it was a Shivan invasion, but catching up on some of the lore advancements since I stopped playing the game (circa 2009) I'm now wondering if it's a Battalion invasion instead and the Shivans are just harbingers. |
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Originally Posted by Positron
City of Heroes AMA (part 1?)
That's a link to the doc, in case these boards get shut down, and because I don't want to clean it up for our forum posting format (if someone ELSE does, feel free to pad your postcount). Some answers are not satisfying. Some answers are made up, and that answer only exists in that doc. I tried to get everyone who was involved in the stuff at the end to answer the questions as best they could. MM: Matt Miller (Positron) JH: John Hegner (Protean) JAH: Jeff Hamilton (Arbiter Hawk) SM: Sean McCann (Dr. Aeon) RG: Ryan Greene (Viridian) TS: Tim Sweeney (Black Scorpion) If there is a miracle and somehow CoH is saved, we reserve the right to change any and all answers given in the doc, to maintain suspense and surprise. |
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
TL;DR - Run Drowning in Blood, talk to the ally Shivans you rescue. They tell you important stuff. Also make sure to talk to Prometheus after you've run Incarnate trials, as he'll eventually start talking to you about the Battalion.
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And for a while things were cold,
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Originally Posted by Mind Forever Burning
Whose arc is Drowning in Blood?
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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Drowning_in_Blood
I'm curious whether or not Emperor Cole actually wore the Statesman costume in his own reality.
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While my reply is certainly NOT definitive, I was under the impression that the Praetorian Marcus Cole never became Statesman, per se, even though he's an Incarnate. My two cents.
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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
I'm curious whether or not Emperor Cole actually wore the Statesman costume in his own reality.
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aka @Kristoff von Gelmini, leader of small SG bases (Infinity/Victory/Virtue/Protector), member of The House of Tera (Justice) and various others (Champion/Infinity/Victory/Guardian/Freedom).
I'm not sure if this is the correct thread but I would love to hear a few words on certain lore to rap things up. Please forgive me if this is being greedy but the end times have arrived 
In particular, I'd like hear what the developers intended for concepts of ascended and dimensionals (what does it mean to become your own well (e.g.is each ascended capable of universe munching, who and what are the dimensionals (evolved ascended? a unique race? the distant future of humanity come back to the past?) and how they tie in to the True Rikti, as well as any additional lore they have to offer on the True Rikti (motivations, how are they higher up the food chain than dimensionals for example who probably ought to be tougher than Rularuu).
Also is Rularuu the prime cosmic villain, or are there "individual" enemies out there who are even more powerful than consuming a universe in an eyeblink. Who or what is the singular most powerful force within the COH universe. How does Rularuu match up with the True Rikti?
Also re: two of my favorite artifacts, would the proper use of an artifact like the Tears of the Spirit or the Mallleus Mundi have the juice to defeat the Battallian/Dimensionals/or the True Rikti. Were the Tears of the Spirit a one time shot to alter reality or did it provide permanent Mxyzptlk like reality warping powers to someone who used them properly? Can either be used to ascend or rewrite a character into a Rularuu/dimensional being?
Posi, not sure if you can recall, however one of the questions asked: Who is the Big Statue in the middle of Steel Canyon?
I know the Character's name is M1. No other information though, so not sure if that jogs the memory banks or not.
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Hi,
I have some questions too ^^
What are the names of The Directors, who are in charge of the Malta organization please ? We only know a "Director 11" but what is his true identity ?
Who is enlocked in the mortuary of the Vanguard Base ? And why ?
Before the Rikti War, Paragon City was one of the largest cities in the world but it seems the area of Paragon City is approximately 23miles². Can you give us more informations about the Paragon City, Rogue Island and Praetoria original sizes, population density, etc. ?
Did you keep french and german translations of the official website (Hystory, Lore...) ? It will be wonderful if we can see it again, even as an archive ! Pleeeease ! 'Cause it's even more infuriating to lose the entire localisation few weeks before the announcement of closure...
Thank you !
the well is a nemisis plot.
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the well is a nemisis plot.
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I have been asking this since CoV came out. All the hospitals on the Rogue Isles are named Blackheart Memorial. Who/what is Blackheart? (No CEO jokes needed at this point lol)
Oh yeah, hey, now that it can be said.....why did lighthouse get fired? I dont remember if it was ever said. And what ever happen to castle? Just wondering.
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