Operational answer on one of these: regarding the exploration badge lore, over the last few years that became kind of a palate cleanser task we gave a few people to let them have some fun. Tim Sweeney and Chris H wrote most of them and I believe Melissa as well, maybe Paul G wrote a few... IIRC the creative direction was explicitly to make the game world feel richer than the core lore allowed.
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Oh my god a redname! They still exist! *Takes a photo*
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Originally Posted by Second Measure
Operational answer on one of these: regarding the exploration badge lore, over the last few years that became kind of a palate cleanser task we gave a few people to let them have some fun. Tim Sweeney and Chris H wrote most of them and I believe Melissa as well, maybe Paul G wrote a few... IIRC the creative direction was explicitly to make the game world feel richer than the core lore allowed.
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The question was silly because the player's goal in Cimerora is to prevent the timeline from being altered, and installing a new government would've totally undermined that.|
Originally Posted by Obitus
So the question wasn't only silly because it ascribed modern sensibilities to the Cimerorans; the question was silly because it implied (or you can reasonably infer from it) that a system that essentially doesn't even exist in practice should be presumed superior to monarchy, by default. Positron can be forgiven for brushing the question aside, given that he was answering a bajillion, often semi-pedantic questions about the game's lore, in his free time and after having just been laid off.
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Equally silly is this political TL;DR about comic book fare.
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Isn't it at least semi-canonical that the reason all of this ancient Cimeroran contact with the 21st century doesn't alter the timeline is that the volcano they're camped on top of detonates soon, and we don't have the heart to tell them?
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Originally Posted by TiberianFiend
The question was silly because the player's goal in Cimerora is to prevent the timeline from being altered, and installing a new government would've totally undermined that.
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Have you played the new Dark Astoria content? They almost all get wiped out by something, but it's not a volcano...
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Isn't it at least semi-canonical that the reason all of this ancient Cimeroran contact with the 21st century doesn't alter the timeline is that the volcano they're camped on top of detonates soon, and we don't have the heart to tell them?
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Sort of. The arc brings up the subject that Cimerora disappears but does not state explicitly it was mot, only that Mot's presence was very damaging.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Have you played the new Dark Astoria content? They almost all get wiped out by something, but it's not a volcano...
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That document is great, thanks everyone who was involved with the answers.
Quick question, though, since I haven't read all the info in the threads regarding the Lore AMA: Will there be another one of these documents? Or no? Heh.
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Originally Posted by Second Measure
Operational answer on one of these: regarding the exploration badge lore, over the last few years that became kind of a palate cleanser task we gave a few people to let them have some fun. Tim Sweeney and Chris H wrote most of them and I believe Melissa as well, maybe Paul G wrote a few... IIRC the creative direction was explicitly to make the game world feel richer than the core lore allowed.
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Just thinking about some of the answers we got and just playing through some of the content now brings up more questions.
Like, why did Twinshot leave Ultimatum?
Really with the Shining Stars showing up in more content and slated to show up in even more I kind of wondered if we wouldn't do more arcs with them, like the 3 Twinshot arcs. As much maligned as those are I did like most of the characters and thought it was neat we got to see a new super group 'grow' (Even if the 'join a hero/villain/etc group!' was getting over played).
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Eeeehhh, considering we were on the track to transcend the Well, that immediately nullifies it as the "penultimate power." The existence of The Battalion AND The Dimensionless prove that the Well isn't the end-all be-all.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
Huh. Fancy that...
... Too bad Incarnates and being your own Well is the course the story was taking. And ultimately is the penultimate power. I don't know why you took this revelation as an opportunity to attempt to shove it in my face. If you want to play a gnat, that's fine. Just don't get upset when you're hit by the flyswatter? |
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IMO the Well storyline in and of itself was just stupid from beginning to whatever end they were gonna roll with. Transcending the Well is, to me, just the equivalent of going super saiyan 2; you've reached ultimate power and defeated the ultimate threat, but now there's even stronger ultimate power and even stronger ultimate threat, and be careful sneezing because you'll destroy an entire planet.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Eeeehhh, considering we were on the track to transcend the Well, that immediately nullifies it as the "penultimate power." The existence of The Battalion AND The Dimensionless prove that the Well isn't the end-all be-all.
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Semantic note: "penultimate" is the second to last. If Ascension was the ultimate power, that would make the Well the penultimate power.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Eeeehhh, considering we were on the track to transcend the Well, that immediately nullifies it as the "penultimate power." The existence of The Battalion AND The Dimensionless prove that the Well isn't the end-all be-all.
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Hi welcome to MMOs and end game content where the game gives you alternate ways to continue getting stronger and stronger while still facing down stronger enemies.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
IMO the Well storyline in and of itself was just stupid from beginning to whatever end they were gonna roll with. Transcending the Well is, to me, just the equivalent of going super saiyan 2; you've reached ultimate power and defeated the ultimate threat, but now there's even stronger ultimate power and even stronger ultimate threat, and be careful sneezing because you'll destroy an entire planet.
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Just 'cause everyone else does it one way doesn't mean that's the best way, or how others should do it. Considering all the other stereotypical MMO molds CoH made a habit of breaking, you'd think they would continue that habit and offer a more unique experience and not go with the typical DBZ-esque end game. We didn't need more levels and powers to gain in order to become gods, we just needed more content that really challenged us and made us use all the abilities and experience we gained on the trip to 50.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Hi welcome to MMOs and end game content where the game gives you alternate ways to continue getting stronger and stronger while still facing down stronger enemies.
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Yeah they really broke the mold there for so many years by just not having a worthwhile end game. You hit 50, did all the Taskforces and arcs at the 45-50 level and then... rolled a new character to do the same. |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
Just 'cause everyone else does it one way doesn't mean that's the best way, or how others should do it. Considering all the other stereotypical MMO molds CoH made a habit of breaking, you'd think they would continue that habit and offer a more unique experience and not go with the typical DBZ-esque end game. We didn't need more levels and powers to gain in order to become gods, we just needed more content that really challenged us and made us use all the abilities and experience we gained on the trip to 50.
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For what its worth, there was a segment of the existing player base asking for further end-game progression. I'm not claiming that the system we got was what those players wanted, or that the amount of focus that system got relative to other "stuff to do" had the right balance. (Especially since judgement of those things is going to be highly subjective.) But the devs didn't come up and "impose" the Incarnate system without input from players.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
Just 'cause everyone else does it one way doesn't mean that's the best way, or how others should do it. Considering all the other stereotypical MMO molds CoH made a habit of breaking, you'd think they would continue that habit and offer a more unique experience and not go with the typical DBZ-esque end game. We didn't need more levels and powers to gain in order to become gods, we just needed more content that really challenged us and made us use all the abilities and experience we gained on the trip to 50.
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Personally, I wasn't looking for them to add this, but was excited when they said they were going to. I actually liked the idea behind the Incarnate system, but wish some of the specifics regarding how they went about it were different. I didn't particularly like how grindy it was, even though I did "grind it" extensively. (I liked the results, so I tolerated the grind.) I also didn't particularly like the focus on leagues (oversized teams), though I again believe that's something that some parts of the player base did want more of. (A-la Hamidon and RWZ raids.) And finally I disliked the imbalance in progress options between league and non-leagues (including soloists).
Just to try and put in perspective why I liked the idea of the system, while I liked CoH's alt-friendly nature, I always favored a subset of my characters, and played them more than the others. The ability to continue to progress those favored characters was highly attractive to me. In varying degrees, I'm pretty sure there were a fair number of other CoH players who shared that with me, and we probably made up a core of the folks who did like (or at least tolerate) iTrials.
Naturally, there were alt-o-holics who had only a small fraction of their characters at 50, let alone getting something beyond 50. And naturally, the Incarnate system didn't appeal to them so much, implementation details aside.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
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Pretty much every day for the past three weeks I've been yelling as John "Protean" Hegner, because I REALLY want to play out the story arcs he had planned for Tyrant's redemption.
Yesterday he told me, "You can play it out in your imagination."
My response?
"Do you not understand my imagination's not good enough?! I want to play the dang story arc!!!"
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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
Pretty much every day for the past three weeks I've been yelling as John "Protean" Hegner, because I REALLY want to play out the story arcs he had planned for Tyrant's redemption.
Yesterday he told me, "You can play it out in your imagination." My response? "Do you not understand my imagination's not good enough?! I want to play the dang story arc!!!" |
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Tell him to make it as an AE arc.
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I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but you're right. The very concept of 'end game' is stupid. What CoH was different was saying "the entire game is the 'end game', if you get through it, congratulations. Now go try another of our endless powerset combinations." Which was pretty unique, and made the whole idea of 'rushing to 50' fairly dumb.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah they really broke the mold there for so many years by just not having a worthwhile end game.
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Today there's actually a reason to 'rush to 50', and I really don't think the game is better for it.
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Dang, forgot to ask in the big round of lore questions, but ... who's the Well? Prometheus strongly hints that the Well was a person, possibly a person whose name is familiar. Was that going anywhere?
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but you're right. The very concept of 'end game' is stupid. What CoH was different was saying "the entire game is the 'end game', if you get through it, congratulations. Now go try another of our endless powerset combinations." Which was pretty unique, and made the whole idea of 'rushing to 50' fairly dumb.
Today there's actually a reason to 'rush to 50', and I really don't think the game is better for it. |
An end game is inevitable, it's just part of being -a game-. The creators would love to just keep content going in perpetuity but there are always limits in place.
Hugo Figures and Agent Gally. Were they ever going to be successful in liberating the Bane Spider network? If not, what ultimately happens to them?
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This was from that creep in Grandville that sends you out on moral event horizon missions. One excellent example is "A woman came in talking about how her daughters had gone blind from the supplies you poisoned, character. It took everything I had not to burst into laughter."
There was a tip mission where he was being held captive by Arachnos as a distraction to their executions of real Rogue Isles heroes, and the vigilante mission is to beat him into the ground.