Discussion: A Death Revealed....
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Posted on: 2011-12-13 11:04 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Yes but first Hero 1 needs to be cleansed of his Rikti infection. |
Originally Posted by Garielle
My assumption since it was "Daddy" that it is a question being asked by MISS Liberty, who died in part 3 and is in Heaven. Well, at least we hope she's in heaven, and not the other place. That would be an interesting twist. But yeah, I think the folks that predicted maybe Statesman would do something to save Miss Liberty after the fact to bring her back may be on target.
I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that I suspect I know who may be taking his place. At the Player Summit, the developers stated that they were "moving towards" bringing Hero 1 back into the fold. He would be a logical candidate to step up and take the helm, even if Statesman was NOT going to die. So, I think this may tie into moving that storyline forward. |
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Given Hero 1's present Rikti infection I don't think he's worthy of Excalibur at present. Perhaps Ms. Liberty will finally be able to use the sword?
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Originally Posted by Alexandria2000
Wacky theory:
Statesman may die, we may resurrect him, but at the end of the arc he's hanging up his cape and cowl..and passing it on to Hero 1. How this will work as Hero 1 is British and fricking carries Excalibur, I have no idea. |
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That is the question though... What level will he die at? The death in the ep4 was when we were, what? 40? If they play eps 5-7 at 50, then the issue shrinks some, but they already said they were adjusting content throughout the game related to the affected character, so there are interesting possibilities in store.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
I can't see those arc's changing as they are in the "past" and Who Will Die is in the "present" time of the game.
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Also, remember time is by level in a character's career, right? Not chronological time for us as players.
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In DC comics there are many alternate Earth's were Luthor is still evil but there is the one alternate where Luthor is on the side of good. Of course the flip side of that means that his version of Superman is evil. |
Originally Posted by Illumancer
Yes! Dreams can come true! Statesman was a tool and an utter *****. Though it's my personal suspicion that he's not actually dying, but just faking his death so he can continue being history's greatest villain from the shadows.
Seriously, what does it say about a guy when every other version of him ever encountered has been a meglomaniacal, evil, murderous *******? The only real difference I can see is that the Paragon version managed to keep everyone fooled... |
Perhaps our Earth is the one Earth where Statesman truly is a good person?
Also while some may think Statesman is a jerk, remember he is immortal/eternally young. So to him, anyone he meets is essentially already dead to him as he is 99.9% likely to outlive them. immortality can be both blessing and curse and I suspect Statesman thinks it is more of a curse.
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Hey, he and War Witch could take over Desperate Guy/Just Say No Girl's dialog. |
Originally Posted by Vega
So long States, see you in Pocket D next to War Witch.
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I'm one of those who have really enjoyed the WWD story so far. #4 hero-side is one of my favorite. I can hardly wait to run it villain-side to see the difference.
FEAR NOT PEOPLE...
Paragon studio's are going to employ the "Weekend at Bernie's" technique which means you will have to drag Statesman's dead body along with you while doing the STF... trust me, no one will know the difference O_o
It's better to save the Mystery, than surrender to the secret...
Hey guys, if Statesman can die doesn't that mean that Tyrant can be killed too? Could Statesman's death be a clue as killing Tyrant and the next parts help us (the players) acheive that?
STF, and RSF won't make sense anymore. I guess you can rename the STF, but the whole point of the RSF is to get Statesman
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I have witnessed your journey through the Rogue Isles. You have clawed your way to the top, performing all manner of vile act to prove yourself stronger and more capable than the rest of my Destined Ones. You have even bested one of my trusted lieutenants, a feat few have done before. In the end I thought you a liability, having used Project DESTINY to see into the future and witness a possible death of the world - my rightful domain! - at your hands. But you have a depth of villainy and strength more powerful than even I had imagined. You discovered my contingency plans and sent me a very clear warning as to what would happen if I enacted my plans, and it is something I will not forget! You know of my plans for Project DESTINY, to engineer my eventual victory by manipulating the timestreams of the future, eliminating unfavorable results until only my ultimate triumph remains! And you know the greatest threat to my goals is that epitome of foolish heroic virtue, Statesman! Statesman. Long has he been a thorn in my side, him and his legion of heroes who constantly attempt to thwart my operations at every turn. If you help me deal with the troublesome Statesman, I will asure you a place of honor in my future triumph! |
Don't you dare remove either one.
I must ask, what do you plan on doing about that? Putting someone else in Statesman's place will pretty much destroy the mood of the last mission. Will you be removing Malaise from the Vindicator mission now?
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Thank you! While obviously edited the video is appropriate none the less. I know for madam Enigma (my hero main) Statesman isn't just an icon, he actually saved her. Without him she'd likely be dead, or insane. Love him or hate him, Statesman in CoH is the iconic hero. He's no saint, but then again it's perhaps his flaws that make him such a moral anchor.|
Originally Posted by Trassy
A tribute to Statesman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjw1eUVQfPg
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Just cause the original creator of Statesman isn't liked by many long time players, don't bash the character himself. I'd like to think that Statesman has taken a life of his own, outside being Jack's alter ego.
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Well, look at it this way: Killing Statesman the character, even if it were a symbolic gesture in the meta-game context (which I don't believe it is, regardless of how people feel about Jack), does nothing but strengthen the character in the game's lore.
Just because the character model isn't standing around in Independence Port doesn't mean that Statesman is absent from the game. He becomes a legend, a symbol that all heroes of Paragon City will not forget. The rest of the Phalanx, no matter who is leading them, will likely use his name as a rallying cry for years to come.
Hardly the thing you'd want to do to a character if your intent was to cheese off the man who created it.
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This would be me as well. I also like States despite his coming off as an untouchable jerk at times.|
Originally Posted by Protonic_Flux
I just want to go on record saying that I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE the fact that Statesman is getting killed off. I'm not going to let it sour the arc for me or anything. But I'm one of the very rare people in game who are pro Statesman. Always have been, always will be.
And lets not even start about that chump Praetorian wannabe filling in for him.  |
That said, I figured from the beginning that he was going to die just based on his association with Jack. I'm with others in wondering why it took them so long. The spoiler doesn't ruin it for me in the least. I often look up books and movies in advance as it helps me decide if I want to waste money or not. =p
Despite the "Darrin Wade...? Wut?" moment I had, I'm enjoying the arc so far.
Statesmen is as dead as Superman and Batman.
:O muahahhahaa tht loser dies at last muahahaha....oh wait...what happens to the LRSF 
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
Well, look at it this way: Killing Statesman the character, even if it were a symbolic gesture in the meta-game context (which I don't believe it is, regardless of how people feel about Jack), does nothing but strengthen the character in the game's lore.
Just because the character model isn't standing around in Independence Port doesn't mean that Statesman is absent from the game. He becomes a legend, a symbol that all heroes of Paragon City will not forget. The rest of the Phalanx, no matter who is leading them, will likely use his name as a rallying cry for years to come. Hardly the thing you'd want to do to a character if your intent was to cheese off the man who created it. |
Originally Posted by Megajoule
We're being invaded. Again. This time, instead of aliens, zombies, or eyeballs with teeth, it's the marching band.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There's still plenty more suspense to be had in the remaining arcs
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That's not the point. This has completely ruined what I assume is quite a big 'twist', or what would have been if it hadn't been totally spoilered.
I mean, why? Why do this? Why could this not wait until the Episode was actually out? I didn't know WHO was going to cop it, I was enjoying the suspense, thinking with every episode it could be someone else. It was a great story.
And now someone has just told me a major point that I didn't know and ruined the surprise. It's like a jerk at school running up and shouting out the ending to a popular new book (Harry Potter would be a good stand in example) and thus ruining it for everyone who didn't know.
I didn't know and I didn't WANT to know until I ran into it in the story. Colour me incredibly disappointed with this. It's not a 'reveal' it's a spoiler.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There's still plenty more suspense to be had in the remaining arcs
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Could you guys please resolve not to fracking spoil all of it with splash screens like you did with Miss Liberty? Or with announcement threads like you just did with this one?
Please?
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Originally Posted by Venture
It's only five pages for me, and I only just found the thread.
I don't understand why people are getting their panties in a wad over spoilers (again). Aside from the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to not realize the thread contained one, none of these characters were the slightest bit interesting when they were alive, so who really cares if they're going to die? There was no suspense in the arc either; you can make a case for any of the "surviving 8" to be the Designated Receiver so there's no point in getting invested in the story. It was practically a Random Events Plot anyway. The only real question is whether or not he will stay dead. It would be nice to think that he will, but given how often the devs have expressed pride at embracing "comic book reality" and given the absurd tweests like (e.g.) Calvin Scott's imaginary marriage, I'm not optimistic about how this will play out. |
Your name should be The Cynic. Is it maybe your middle name? I've never seen a positive post by you on any subject. If you hate this game so much, why are you still playing? Is your love of complaining > your love of the game?
/snark off
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Originally Posted by Venture
It's only five pages for me, and I only just found the thread.
I don't understand why people are getting their panties in a wad over spoilers (again). Aside from the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to not realize the thread contained one, none of these characters were the slightest bit interesting when they were alive, so who really cares if they're going to die? There was no suspense in the arc either; you can make a case for any of the "surviving 8" to be the Designated Receiver so there's no point in getting invested in the story. It was practically a Random Events Plot anyway. The only real question is whether or not he will stay dead. It would be nice to think that he will, but given how often the devs have expressed pride at embracing "comic book reality" and given the absurd tweests like (e.g.) Calvin Scott's imaginary marriage, I'm not optimistic about how this will play out. |
Also, it IS rather hard to ignore all the other threads going 'STATESMANS DEAD BY THE WAY!' in their titles no less.
But then again I'm sure this is all obvious to your clearly brilliant mind.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I'll admit, when I first started playing I didn't care about the signiture heroes. Why should I, I knew nothing about them. They were suppose to be these larger then life heroes, yet they were a complete unknown. Then I started reading the Top Cow comic. And I found reasons to care. Getting to see how the team interacts with each other was fun. It gave glimpses into their personalities. And the one dimensional figures I didn't care about became important to the world setting for me.
Do I like Jack? Not really, but I don't dislike him either. Either way I take Statesman as his own character, not a personification of the game's creator. I love Manticore because he's willing to do what it takes, no matter the personal cost. But I respect and admire Statesman for sticking to his morals no matter how hard it is. It would be easy for him to go bad. And if he did, who could really stop him?
Sure Statesman fails sometimes, such as when he found himself in the hospital during certain events. He's not perfect. Yet he's capable of doing things no one else in Primal Earth can. Who else can go toe to toe with hammy all by them self? If he were to go rogue it's doubtful anyone could stop him. Or if they did, at what cost? But Statesman doesn't turn his back on humanity. Instead he holds the line.
For me, that's worthy of respect.
Just look at the first arc in the Top Cow comic. Without Statesman the team fell apart.
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Madam Enigma's History
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I imagine it's for the same effect you get when you see the Comic Book titled 'BATMAN ISSUE WHATEVER; BATMAN DIES' and then you buy it cause' "holy @#$!, how did Batman die!?". You're spoiled a little, yeah, but you actually want to read the story more because it has a significant event taking place. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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That's not the point. This has completely ruined what I assume is quite a big 'twist', or what would have been if it hadn't been totally spoilered. I mean, why? Why do this? Why could this not wait until the Episode was actually out? I didn't know WHO was going to cop it, I was enjoying the suspense, thinking with every episode it could be someone else. It was a great story. And now someone has just told me a major point that I didn't know and ruined the surprise. It's like a jerk at school running up and shouting out the ending to a popular new book (Harry Potter would be a good stand in example) and thus ruining it for everyone who didn't know. I didn't know and I didn't WANT to know until I ran into it in the story. Colour me incredibly disappointed with this. It's not a 'reveal' it's a spoiler. |
I imagine that's what their aim was. For anyone who hasn't been playing the arcs, they might pick up this one because something significant is going to happen. That's the suspense. The mystery is what happens in the details.
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Hmn, I suppose that does actually raise a much more valid point there. |
Originally Posted by Warkupo
I imagine it's for the same effect you get when you see the Comic Book titled 'BATMAN ISSUE WHATEVER; BATMAN DIES' and then you buy it cause' "holy @#$!, how did Batman die!?". You're spoiled a little, yeah, but you actually want to read the story more because it has a significant event taking place.
I imagine that's what their aim was. For anyone who hasn't been playing the arcs, they might pick up this one because something significant is going to happen. That's the suspense. The mystery is what happens in the details. |
Even so, those are announced from the get go. You can go 'Woh, what? That can't be right!' and then pick it up if you want to know.
Here, though, it was a case of 'Who will Die?' and that was the question, the point; I was playing to find out who, to see the events unfold and was looking forward to the surprise. To have that change halfway through is something of a letdown, for me at least.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Do you really think that Statesman dying in Ep. 5 is going to be the "big twist" of the signature story arcs?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
That's not the point. This has completely ruined what I assume is quite a big 'twist', or what would have been if it hadn't been totally spoilered.
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I mean, come on, this is the same writing team who gave us such gems as big reveal at the end of the Minds of Mayhem trial... The one about Calvin Scott, that was obviously planned from the very start and carefully woven into the stories up to that point.
</sarcasm off>
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
Do you really think that Statesman dying in Ep. 5 is going to be the "big twist" of the signature story arcs?
I mean, come on, this is the same writing team who gave us such gems as big reveal at the end of the Minds of Mayhem trial... The one about Calvin Scott, that was obviously planned from the very start and carefully woven into the stories up to that point. </sarcasm off> |
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