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Originally Posted by Mandu
Guess what. If you were starting to like Shane then you'll start to like him again later. After all, Jack Harkness tortured his own grandson to death right in front of his daughter, and yet this year he was a good guy again. People tend to forget the bad stuff when it happens to a character they have no emotional investment in.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
When i saw the hairloss at first I thought they were going to show that they agreed to shoot each other in the head and that Otis missed him ...
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I do hope they find Sophia and resolve the storyline with her or get past it. They're near Fairburn, GA. She's probably at the Renaissance Festival grounds.
Come to think of it, the Newcastle grounds at the Georgia Renaissance Festival would be an excellent place to hold off a horde. The main gate alone, with the huge castle exterior should be easy defensible. And there's a bunch of houses and apartments across the road. Probably lots of guns, ammo and supplies there.
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Okay. This is what I'm wondering about 'cause I'm still not sure.
Did Shane do what he did because he was afraid to die or was he doing it to make sure the equipment got back to save Carl?
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Both more that likely.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
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Think of it this way: he could have done the noble thing and ran into the horde himself to give Otis time. He looks slow, be he did manage to get himself out of the locker room when I was sure he was a goner.|
Originally Posted by BlueBattler
Did Shane do what he did because he was afraid to die or was he doing it to make sure the equipment got back to save Carl?
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He didn't do that... he made sure that he was the hero to come back and save Lori's son. Otis was just a casualty. I don't think Shane had anything against him... I mean, he did apologize and all.
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I bet more people than not would have done the same thing or something similiar. It was mad cold blooded though, I think Shane would have been seen in a better light had he just shot Otis in the face as opposed to beating him for 2 hours until the zombies caught up.
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Shane didn't do anything I would not have done. When push comes to shove one of them had to survive to save Carl and Otis was the weakest link. Although I would have at least asked him to make the sacrifice first. Then shot him in the head or something.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Shane didn't do anything I would not have done. When push comes to shove one of them had to survive to save Carl and Otis was the weakest link. Although I would have at least asked him to make the sacrifice first. Then shot him in the head or something.
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Shane: Hey man, you should take one for the team since we parked the vehicle 10 miles away and we're not going to make it...these supplies gotta get back bro.
Otis (me): ???
Blam Blam Blam...Ill make sure the others know that you died with dignity and respect.
(exit stage right to the farmhouse all teary eyed and whatnot)
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Poor Otis. I saw it coming, but... poor Otis.
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I slightly disagree here. Shane was just as slow as Otis was due to his leg. Together the two of them were too slow to get away, but making a distraction like a tasty chubby farmhand meal would give Shane the time and distance to escape.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
When push comes to shove one of them had to survive to save Carl and Otis was the weakest link.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
Okay. This is what I'm wondering about 'cause I'm still not sure.
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As someone else said above: you don't have to outrun the zombies, you just have to outrun your friends.
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Exactly. Otis was just too good of a distraction for the zombies to pass up. When the zombie apocalypse comes try not to be a smorgasbord.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I slightly disagree here. Shane was just as slow as Otis was due to his leg. Together the two of them were too slow to get away, but making a distraction like a tasty chubby farmhand meal would give Shane the time and distance to escape.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Exactly. Otis was just too good of a distraction for the zombies to pass up. When the zombie apocalypse comes try not to be a smorgasbord.
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There is no way I would have assaulted a high school full of zombies. That would have been a good situation to have fireworks on hand. Set them off far enough away from the high school and then wait for all the zombies to shuffle on over there. A little planning and both of them would have walked out alive. They could have created some sort of diversion elsewhere to attempt to draw all those walkers off.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
There is no way I would have assaulted a high school full of zombies. That would have been a good situation to have fireworks on hand. Set them off far enough away from the high school and then wait for all the zombies to shuffle on over there. A little planning and both of them would have walked out alive. They could have created some sort of diversion elsewhere to attempt to draw all those walkers off.
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Yeah they tossed a few road flares 50 yards away. That worked to get them into a building but not back out again. I'm talking about creating a diversion a half mile or further away. Hell, I'd burn down a house or something if that was the only thing I could come up with. At least set a bunch of car alarms off a few streets away. Anything to make the zombies move off far enough to give you a real chance.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
Okay. This is what I'm wondering about 'cause I'm still not sure.
Did Shane do what he did because he was afraid to die or was he doing it to make sure the equipment got back to save Carl? |
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Shane didn't do anything I would not have done. When push comes to shove one of them had to survive to save Carl and Otis was the weakest link. Although I would have at least asked him to make the sacrifice first. Then shot him in the head or something.
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That being said, Shane did tell Otis to leave him, and Otis said he wouldn't do that. So Otis was given his chance, which must have been how Shane rationalized it.
And he likely didn't shoot him in the head because he was afraid that Otis could react in time to him raising his gun, and/or he thought a struggling body would be more of an attractor to the zombies than a still corpse.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
There is no way I would have assaulted a high school full of zombies. That would have been a good situation to have fireworks on hand. Set them off far enough away from the high school and then wait for all the zombies to shuffle on over there. A little planning and both of them would have walked out alive. They could have created some sort of diversion elsewhere to attempt to draw all those walkers off.
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... These guys are on the run, carrying what they can! Fireworks are sold twice a year! They're not just gonna have some fireworks!
(They absolutely should have carried more flares, however.)
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Shane didn't do anything I would not have done. When push comes to shove one of them had to survive to save Carl and Otis was the weakest link. Although I would have at least asked him to make the sacrifice first. Then shot him in the head or something.
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It could be argued that shooting Otis at all was bad enough, but at least Shane could have instantly put him out of his misery by blowing his brains out. Shooting him in the gut just let Otis suffer that much more by still being alive when he was ripped apart. I actually think Shane ultimately shot Otis as much to punish him for shooting Carl as to save his own life.
This incident forces us to re-evaluate the scene where Shane tried to get Rick out of the hospital. It now makes you wonder just how hard did he actually try to save Rick. At first you could just conclude that Shane got scared for his life and fled without doing his best to save Rick. But now that we see what he's capable of with Otis then maybe we now realize that Shane consciously (maybe even borderline maliciously) decided to leave Rick in the hospital on purpose to get him out of the way.
All these things together are swirling around in Shane's head and it's clearly driving him some kind of crazy.
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I believe the reason he didn't instakill Otis with a head shot is the zombies prefer live meat and wouldn't stop for a "dead-dead" body with fresh meat in view.
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I don't know. I think Otis screaming out in pain would make a better dinner bell than just his girth slapping pavement.
It's the first "We've gone too far" point in the arc. Under normal circumstances, he wouldn't have (or would have even have to) do it.
But after all (and I groan as I say this, almost as loudly as I did when I first read it in the comic), the survivors are becoming the walking dead.
His reasoning for the behavior, I'm not overly interested (I'm still subscribing he did it to save Carl). What will be interesting is the reaction from the rest of the survivors.
I'm guessing it'll either be the break for the holidays episode (November 27th I think is the last one till February - the episode Norman Reedus claims is going to be great). Or the end of Season 2.
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Just a tidbit of info...the flares. They didn't come packing them. They took 'em from the trunk of a cop car on-site, iirc.
I think it would've been hilarious had Shane shot Otis, got back to the pickup, and realized that Otis had the keys on him.
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I believe the reason he didn't instakill Otis with a head shot is the zombies prefer live meat and wouldn't stop for a "dead-dead" body with fresh meat in view.
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I don't know. I think Otis screaming out in pain would make a better dinner bell than just his girth slapping pavement.
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Let's put it this way: it's reasonable to guess any agony he put Otis through was less important to Shane than ensuring his own chance for survival at that moment. I can understand that once Shane decided to go so far as to shoot Otis at all then the exact location he shot him at wasn't going to ultimately matter. Still, it does arguably make Shane's action just that much more ruthless and cut-throat to leave Otis out as "live bait" instead of "put out of his misery bait".
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It was a poignant and pivitol scene, especially in Shane's character development, but what really kind of threw it off for me was Shane's lines, which made me laugh.
"I'm sorry," and then later, "let go, mang!"
"sorry, mang!" seems to be Shane's go to line.
I notice they're continuing the tradition from the comics of giving Lori the stupidest dialogue; I mean, there's a reason Rick has told her to shut the **** up in the comics.
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