Is It Too Soon For Another Trek TV Series?


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Steelclaw, that idea has a lot of merit! The one thing that troubles me about it is the potential for it to become more of a teen highschool melodrama!
Obviously it wouldn't have to be (and shouldn't be), but... I wouldn't bet on an American studio to make such a series without it falling into such a thing.

Of course... I am not the marketers' ideal audience, so... My opinion matters very little!


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Steelclaw, that idea has a lot of merit! The one thing that troubles me about it is the potential for it to become more of a teen highschool melodrama!
Actually, I remember hearing years back that they considered that concept before accepting Star Trek: Enterprise (as it came to be known). There were jokes made back then about "Star Trek:90210".

I do think an Academy show has potential. Like DS9, though, they're going to need to find a way to keep things mobile, or the stationary location will be perceived as a detriment (I happen to love DS9. The USS Defiant just made it awesome.)

I'm surprised some Trekkie/Trekker hasn't previously named the Captain Calhoun book series as TV canon fodder (pun deliberate). Seems every time the talk of a potential for a new series comes up, some fans go nuts over the books and their potential.

Personally, I would like to rest the name Enterprise for a bit. To me, the Star Trek universe is not about one name but a widespread fleet and society. I'm also ready for a ship that truly reflect all of Earth, not just (predominantly) white North America & Europe. I felt it good that the alternate universe U.S.S. Kelvin had a captain (however brief) that appeared Pakistani or Indian. I'd love to see the lead parts go to some skilled, possibly unknown, actors who are Polynesian, Aboriginal Australian, Inuit, Vietnamese, etc. In other words, all those parts of the planet seemingly looked over so far. If not that, then a pure alien for the captain (Spock and Sisko were halvsies).


 

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This is... not good for Trek. Period.

I won't comment on the other posts, rather, more of the idea itself.

There is already another movie on the way... sometime.

If there is to be more, then a TV show isn't the way to go DURING the span of movies.

However, if after that new movie, they were to stop making them, and they were to GO do a series on TV only, exploring the new timeline, that would be acceptable to me.

I think that if they were to going back to Voyager+ days, and ignore the new movies, it likely would become something stupid like Star Trek (movies), and The REAL Star Trek (TV). Like the cartoon Ghostbusters... I mean, the Real Ghostbusters.

THAT is why it's bad. You don't make new movies, then abandon them in a franchise. You MOVE FORWARD. It happened. Get used to it, and let's get moving on the next step.

I still don't get why people are so upset about Abram's retimelining. You're ok with Spock dying and being reborn on a magical planet, but the timeline being reset isn't cool?

Uh...ok.

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i would love to see a new trek series myself, but i agree with what somebody else said too. no brannon braga or rick berman involvement at all. i think JMS would do a good job with it like B5 was awesome.


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I always thought a Star Trek anthology show could be fun. No regular cast, just rotating guest stars, along the lines of Twilight Zone, Amazing Stories, etc. This week, Earth. Next week, Klingon Empire. Week after, some random Orion Pirate getting caught up in some deep space escapade, or whatever. They could explore the Trek Universe from multiple angles, go in-depth with certain parts previously only hinted at and perhaps have an over-arching story tying it all together.


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Did the time police show up in Voyager before they showed up in the DS9 Trouble with Tribbles episode?

Though really, didn't all they really do is record the why and that was it?
They introduced the idea that Starfleet would have a department that specializes in investigating time travel incidents (Temporal Investigations) in that episode, yes. It wasn't ever made clear what sort of power they actually had, but I suspect they couldn't do much to correct anything that might have changed given the technological limitations of the period. Plus, you never know how your correction efforts might snowball if something goes wrong.

The idea of a Temporal Investigations department does make some sense, even if they're more or less impotent. I mean, Kirk and Picard both had a lot of time travel incidents under their commands, and it's possible other captains have as well. So Starfleet would benefit by having some specialists to look into the incidents. Then you have the time-related stuff that doesn't necessarily involve time travel, but still warrants investigation.

What I don't like is the idea that they become something that is actively policing time. It begs the question of why they weren't around during any of Kirk's time travel escapades or why they would let someone like the Devidians run amok in Earth's past for who knows how long until Picard came along. And then you have Voyager's series finale. Presumably, in the original timeline, Voyager took the original long way home. So if these guys are supposed to maintain the integrity of the timeline, they why did they let Future Janeway's plan succeed? It just doesn't make sense.


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I honestly forget what episode it was, or maybe I read it somewhere, but Data stated that TV pretty much didn't make it past the year 2040*, which is why modern music/entertainment died out.....or something like that.
I think it was the episode where they found the 3 people from the late 1900's/early 2000's who were floating adrift in space in suspended animation. One asked what people watched on the boob tube and Data explains that TV was just a fad. I don't know what the title of the episode was.


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I honestly forget what episode it was, or maybe I read it somewhere, but Data stated that TV pretty much didn't make it past the year 2040*, which is why modern music/entertainment died out.....or something like that.

As for classical and jazz, it seems those are the types of music other species like the most from humans. I wouldn't expose another species to rap or country, for example.


*To be honest, if networks keep going the direction they're going now, it may be much earlier....LOL
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I had an idea for a series, but the movies wiped it out.

For all its claims to multiculturalism, humanity has been the leader of the Federation, the Federation by and large represents human morality. You measure up to our standards, or you don't get in. This has to have caused some friction/simmering resentment, but the advantages of being in the Federation were so overwhelming in terms of safety and commerce, planets accepted the bargain.

The Dominion War broke those advantages. For the first time, the Federation provided no real safety, and may even have made one a target. And it's clear that the big terror was "they may take Earth".

OK, the war was won, but a lot of people dead, a lot of planets damaged. Wouldn't some of those resentments come out? "You let our people die while protecting Earth. Why should we be the buffer protecting Earth from the opponents they provoke?"

So the new series would be about rebuilding the Federation. Building a truly interplanetary Federation. With an interplanetary crew, and yes, I'd have a non-human captain.

So part would be dealing with the assumptions of "human morality is the correct morality", but also the risks of "hey, whatever you want to do, it's good if you think it's good."


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They introduced the idea that Starfleet would have a department that specializes in investigating time travel incidents (Temporal Investigations) in that episode, yes. It wasn't ever made clear what sort of power they actually had, but I suspect they couldn't do much to correct anything that might have changed given the technological limitations of the period. Plus, you never know how your correction efforts might snowball if something goes wrong.

Oddly enough I just got done watching that episode a few weeks ago.

I got the impression that were able to discipline 'time travelers' if they ignored too many Starfleet regulations on time travel and such. Obviously, they overlooked Sisko shaking hands with Kirk, but if he went around trying to change history, then he' probably would of been court-martialed or something.

But then if Sisko did change history, and succeeded, then they would have never known, and Sisko could easily lie saying he didn't.. So who knows, the whole thing is obscure.


 

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I'll give any new Star Trek series a chance. So far I've liked 3.5 of the 5 series (+1 if I count the animated series).


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Oddly enough I just got done watching that episode a few weeks ago.

I got the impression that were able to discipline 'time travelers' if they ignored too many Starfleet regulations on time travel and such. Obviously, they overlooked Sisko shaking hands with Kirk, but if he went around trying to change history, then he' probably would of been court-martialed or something.

But then if Sisko did change history, and succeeded, then they would have never known, and Sisko could easily lie saying he didn't.. So who knows, the whole thing is obscure.
I think you and BrandX are mixing up two different groups of "time cops". The Time Cops on Voyager were from the future and had time travel technology. The Time Cops Sisko deals with are nothing more then bureaucrats that worked for Star Fleet. The time cops Sisko deals with have no way to travel through time and correct the past.

Well unless they want to break warp 10 by sling shotting around the sun.


 

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and yes, I'd have a non-human captain.
I agree it's time for a non-human captain, but then I remember back in the day, there was a good deal of commotion about Captain Janeway being *gasp* a female captain?

I can imagine quite a few people being put off if the race of the captain is any too different from a Human. Trill would be a good bet. Betazoid also. Bajoran... eh, iffy on that cause Major Kira is the main representation we've had for Bajorans and a surprising number of people didn't like her.

I wouldn't expect any race where considerable makeup is involved, the less human they look, the less people will identify with them and you need the audience to be able to relate to them, cause really everyone wants to be the Captain.


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I agree it's time for a non-human captain, but then I remember back in the day, there was a good deal of commotion about Captain Janeway being *gasp* a female captain?

I can imagine quite a few people being put off if the race of the captain is any too different from a Human. Trill would be a good bet. Betazoid also. Bajoran... eh, iffy on that cause Major Kira is the main representation we've had for Bajorans and a surprising number of people didn't like her.

I wouldn't expect any race where considerable makeup is involved, the less human they look, the less people will identify with them and you need the audience to be able to relate to them, cause really everyone wants to be the Captain.
that's fixed by having a series about the race that ruled the galaxy before human space generation... they look like humans.


 

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Wasn't there a game where Sulu's ship and crew end up stuck in the Mirror Universe, and they had like fighter ships and stuff? Make a show like that. Obviously it wouldn't be Sulu and the Excelsior in this proposed new series, but a new crew.

They can reuse existing races, planets, and technology, but with a different history. The more hostile atmosphere would lead to more conflict/violence(which sells, of course), and the overall plot could be centered around this Federation ship trying to instill Federation values into a decidedly non-Federation galaxy. Just throw out the prime directive and start building a better society. You could easily set it in just about any time period without worrying about retconning or running into a wall of continuity. And depending on the time period used, you could also end up having guest characters from previous series, albeit a goatee-wearing version in most cases.

No matter what they end up doing though, it'd be nice to have a new, decent Star Trek on TV.


 

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I always thought a Star Trek anthology show could be fun. No regular cast, just rotating guest stars, along the lines of Twilight Zone, Amazing Stories, etc. This week, Earth. Next week, Klingon Empire. Week after, some random Orion Pirate getting caught up in some deep space escapade, or whatever. They could explore the Trek Universe from multiple angles, go in-depth with certain parts previously only hinted at and perhaps have an over-arching story tying it all together.
This would make for an interesting series. It'd allow them to cover the various Star Trek story tangents which have been raised over the years but would not need a "regular crew" or a "standard ship" to handle. Sadly in this day and age of TV shows I really don't see how this idea would be accepted by the corporate suit-types. I think their mindset would be to have an established group of actors and sets that don't change from week-to-week to keep production costs lower. Maybe this could become some kind of cheaper web-based anthology series instead.

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I agree it's time for a non-human captain, but then I remember back in the day, there was a good deal of commotion about Captain Janeway being *gasp* a female captain?

I can imagine quite a few people being put off if the race of the captain is any too different from a Human. Trill would be a good bet. Betazoid also. Bajoran... eh, iffy on that cause Major Kira is the main representation we've had for Bajorans and a surprising number of people didn't like her.

I wouldn't expect any race where considerable makeup is involved, the less human they look, the less people will identify with them and you need the audience to be able to relate to them, cause really everyone wants to be the Captain.
This is also a good idea. Star Trek has always promoted the idea that the Federation is totally pluralistic with hundreds of worlds all working together yet Starfleet has always been shown as being about 95% human. Now I realize for the purposes of making TV and movies that it's always been easier to have a bunch of plain old humans as extras walking around in the background. But it's high time for them to embrace more diverse aliens for the main cast of a given series including the "captain" of a series.

Like you say I guess such a captain would need to be a relatively human-looking one to better relate to the audience, but he/she could still be one that the rest of the crew might have "cultural challenges" dealing with. For example maybe in a post-Voyager setting some rationale could be cooked up to explain how a Romulan refuge joins Starfleet and becomes a starship captain. It'd be fun seeing how the rest of the crew handles someone in charge like that.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but warp drives being dependent on Dilithium seems like it could be very reminiscent of our struggles with oil supply now. As more and more planets develop warp technology, dilithium could become a scarce resource. Space-faring cultures and civilizations like the Federation would become entangled in wars over these resources, but using up the resource as they go. Eventually, there's not enough, and these civilizations can't keep up with warp travel on a large scale. Civilizations become protectionist, holding onto a few systems at most.

Fast forward a few generations, and the Federation finds a new way to travel at high warp speeds. They go back out into the galaxy to find it drastically changed. The Bajorans, with their solar sail technologies, now rule large portions of the galaxy, while the Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc., are struggling to survive. Other new cultures have taken over whole sectors of space and function much like the Federation once did. How would the Federation handle these new cultures? Would the Federation share their technology with old enemies if it meant protecting themselves against the new? How have technologies advanced outside of the Federation "bubble?"

Sure, you might get into some trouble since you'd still have the Borg around, who can travel in other ways, but if they are in a similar position, they might focus on species who have acquired other means of transportation and assimilate them, or something like that.


But, I figure this would allow for some new ship designs, new cultural interconnections and conflicts, as well as give us a series where the Federation is only a minor player in the galaxy.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but warp drives being dependent on Dilithium seems like it could be very reminiscent of our struggles with oil supply now. As more and more planets develop warp technology, dilithium could become a scarce resource. Space-faring cultures and civilizations like the Federation would become entangled in wars over these resources, but using up the resource as they go. Eventually, there's not enough, and these civilizations can't keep up with warp travel on a large scale. Civilizations become protectionist, holding onto a few systems at most.

Fast forward a few generations, and the Federation finds a new way to travel at high warp speeds. They go back out into the galaxy to find it drastically changed. The Bajorans, with their solar sail technologies, now rule large portions of the galaxy, while the Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc., are struggling to survive. Other new cultures have taken over whole sectors of space and function much like the Federation once did. How would the Federation handle these new cultures? Would the Federation share their technology with old enemies if it meant protecting themselves against the new? How have technologies advanced outside of the Federation "bubble?"

Sure, you might get into some trouble since you'd still have the Borg around, who can travel in other ways, but if they are in a similar position, they might focus on species who have acquired other means of transportation and assimilate them, or something like that.


But, I figure this would allow for some new ship designs, new cultural interconnections and conflicts, as well as give us a series where the Federation is only a minor player in the galaxy.
Dilithium/rilithium is a rare element that allows for the control of the matter/anit-matter mixture by way of allowing some anti-matter pass through, but not all. This a unique property as far as we know.

We also know that it can b synthesized and the crystals are recycled so that the crystal almost never need replacement.

Further even if all the dilithium/trilithium was in really short supply it's almost gaurenteed that there are other elements that do the same thing and there are already other well known warp drive engines and non-warp drive AND even if they couldn't get hold of that with their technology and ability to mess with force fields they don't actually need the dilithium/trilithium.


 

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Dilithium/rilithium is a rare element that allows for the control of the matter/anit-matter mixture by way of allowing some anti-matter pass through, but not all. This a unique property as far as we know.

We also know that it can b synthesized and the crystals are recycled so that the crystal almost never need replacement.

Further even if all the dilithium/trilithium was in really short supply it's almost gaurenteed that there are other elements that do the same thing and there are already other well known warp drive engines and non-warp drive AND even if they couldn't get hold of that with their technology and ability to mess with force fields they don't actually need the dilithium/trilithium.
Well way to shoot down my idea, then.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but warp drives being dependent on Dilithium seems like it could be very reminiscent of our struggles with oil supply now.

I figure this would allow for some new ship designs, new cultural interconnections and conflicts, as well as give us a series where the Federation is only a minor player in the galaxy.
Related to your "limited warp travel based on a lack of dilithium" idea I think there was already a TNG episode where they discovered that excessive warping through critical regions of space was somehow destabilizing it and causing problems for planets in those regions. The net effect was that the civilizations in the galaxy were going to have to figure out less destructive alternatives to warp drives within a matter of decades before they collectively screwed up the entire galaxy. Clearly this plotline was meant to be a cautionary "climate change in space" analogy.

This could lead to all sorts of dramas like various races either choosing to voluntarily cut back on warp travel or other races ignoring the warnings and causing all sorts of panic and/or fighting. Basically this could serve as a basis to "reboot" the future galaxy much the way you described.


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Related to your "limited warp travel based on a lack of dilithium" idea I think there was already a TNG episode where they discovered that excessive warping through critical regions of space was somehow destabilizing it and causing problems for planets in those regions. The net effect was that the civilizations in the galaxy were going to have to figure out less destructive alternatives to warp drives within a matter of decades before they collectively screwed up the entire galaxy. Clearly this plotline was meant to be a cautionary "climate change in space" analogy.

This could lead to all sorts of dramas like various races either choosing to voluntarily cut back on warp travel or other races ignoring the warnings and causing all sorts of panic and/or fighting. Basically this could serve as a basis to "reboot" the future galaxy much the way you described.
Aye, I remember that episode, it was pretty good. That's when Starfleet put down a 'Speed Limit', so to speak (as higher warps were more destructive), of Warp 5, iirc, unless otherwise directed or under extreme emergencies.

One little segment of Trek history I've always wanted to see is the Earth-Romulan war.


 

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Related to your "limited warp travel based on a lack of dilithium" idea I think there was already a TNG episode where they discovered that excessive warping through critical regions of space was somehow destabilizing it and causing problems for planets in those regions. The net effect was that the civilizations in the galaxy were going to have to figure out less destructive alternatives to warp drives within a matter of decades before they collectively screwed up the entire galaxy. Clearly this plotline was meant to be a cautionary "climate change in space" analogy.

This could lead to all sorts of dramas like various races either choosing to voluntarily cut back on warp travel or other races ignoring the warnings and causing all sorts of panic and/or fighting. Basically this could serve as a basis to "reboot" the future galaxy much the way you described.
I'd rather they retcon that episode out of existence.


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Dilithium/rilithium is a rare element that allows for the control of the matter/anit-matter mixture by way of allowing some anti-matter pass through, but not all. This a unique property as far as we know.

We also know that it can b synthesized and the crystals are recycled so that the crystal almost never need replacement.

Further even if all the dilithium/trilithium was in really short supply it's almost gaurenteed that there are other elements that do the same thing and there are already other well known warp drive engines and non-warp drive AND even if they couldn't get hold of that with their technology and ability to mess with force fields they don't actually need the dilithium/trilithium.
Add to that the fact that a Matter/Anti-matter reaction isn't the only way to power a warp drive. Romulan ships use a forced artificial singularity as their power source. (Though that supposedly limits their maximum speed to slightly slower than Federation warp drives. While they were shown to be capable of matching speeds with the Enterprise-D this apparently lead to damage to the drive system.)


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One little segment of Trek history I've always wanted to see is the Earth-Romulan war.
Season 5 of Enterprise (before it got cancelled) was supposed to show the run-up to the Earth-Romulan War. There was also talk of a movie, Star Trek: The Beginning which would detail the war itself. That ultimately got dropped in favor of the JJ Abrams reboot.


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