Is It Too Soon For Another Trek TV Series?
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Posted on: 2011-08-25 13:16 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Something like the first 3 seasons of a proposed and assumed 7 season series
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Do you know what "beginning" means?
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I'd consider that a reasonable line of thinking if not for the fact that time travel was so barely touched by the third season (outside of a few episodes that tie it to the Xindi war) and that it's so obvious the studio forced the concept into the show. |
Originally Posted by Durakken
Something like the first 3 seasons of a proposed and assumed 7 season series
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Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Enterprise. More so than DS9 or Voyager. But it had it's issues. Had it more time, it could have been turned into a much better series, which was already happening with season 3 and 4. But you gotta call a spade a spade. The time travel elements we're crap. And the series finale was a real let down.
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Three seasons is a bit much for a beginning. Even in a show like TNG, which did run seven seasons, I would say that, at most, the beginning of the series was the first two seasons.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Something like the first 3 seasons of a proposed and assumed 7 season series
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Also, 'assumed' =/= 'guaranteed', especially when a show's ratings dip as much as Enterprise's did in the first season and continue falling thereafter.
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IMO (and I don't believe I'm alone), Janeway's character suffered greatly from being written by committee - all of whom had different ideas of what the "first female captain" should be.
Personally, I tend to compare her to the very first captain ever, Christopher Pike (as played by Jeffrey Hunter) - thinky, curious, intense, serious. They have a tendency to let that curiosity lure them into bad situations, then angst and brood about it later. They're parental figures: a father to his men, a mother to hers. Threaten that crew and/or the ship and you will find yourself on the receiving end of a cold, steely, implacable anger dedicated to neutralizing that threat, whatever it takes.
(The network didn't like such a cerebral hero and had Roddenberry retool the role into more of a swashbuckling maverick, with a twinkle in his eye and a smug grin as he cheats his way out of death yet again. You may know the guy.)
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The one episode that really turned me against Janeway was the episode where the holodeck malfunctioned and the characters set in 19th century England/Ireland thought the crew were Fey and Janeway was their Queen. She really should have embraced that whole fantasy element but instead told them, computer generated characters, "the truth".
This wasn't a case of Star Fleet regulation or non-interference directive, it's your entertainment. At least Picard embraced his holodeck persona.
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Janeway allowed Neelix to join the crew. 'Nuff said.
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I very much agree with this. The character just ended up being pulled in so many directions, with so many conflicting motivations that she seemed completely off her rocker.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
IMO (and I don't believe I'm alone), Janeway's character suffered greatly from being written by committee - all of whom had different ideas of what the "first female captain" should be.
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She was also by far the most conservative of captains. She enforced Starfleet protocol ostensibly to keep the crew united, but basically dictated conformity. Except when it suited her otherwise, of course. Guess that makes her the most contradictory of captains as well.|
Originally Posted by Oathbound_Too
I very much agree with this. The character just ended up being pulled in so many directions, with so many conflicting motivations that she seemed completely off her rocker.
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I agree with Samothrake that Captain Calhoun's crew could be the basis for a good TV series, but doubt we'll ever see that. (The good Capt. does make an appearance in a certain MMO by that company that used to own this game.)
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Only problem with that is it would have destroyed Fair Haven. Paris created it as an escape to 'a more simple time' far away from the tech and stress the crew was under.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
The one episode that really turned me against Janeway was the episode where the holodeck malfunctioned and the characters set in 19th century England/Ireland thought the crew were Fey and Janeway was their Queen. She really should have embraced that whole fantasy element but instead told them, computer generated characters, "the truth".
This wasn't a case of Star Fleet regulation or non-interference directive, it's your entertainment. At least Picard embraced his holodeck persona. |
It was the open door 24/7 never shutting it off for months that resulted in the glitch to begin with.
Once the glitch started to spread the crew worked like mad to save the program. The original program. As pretending to be magical creatures isn't what this Holo-Novel was constructed for. Add to that the fact that Janeway was falling for one of the characters (I'll agree her role was all over the place, due to various writers and producers) suffice it to say, the crew was very attached to those characters and that setting just the way it was. If they wanted a Holo-Novel to pretend to be Fey they could just make one from scratch. Janeway had her Da Vinci program and Paris had his Capt. Proton program. This was the crews program.
Still, it was a bit of a mini-arc, getting touched on here and there for 3 or 4 episodes before being the main focus for 2. If you hadn't seen Fair Haven's creation and subsequent overuse... If the 1st time you see Fair Haven was the Glitch episode it could leave you asking "What's the big deal just delete the dern thing and start over" When, for them, it was more than just a holodeck simulation.
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I don't recall the episode, but it sounds a bit like what they did on DSP with Quarks competition the holodeck night club.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Only problem with that is it would have destroyed Fair Haven. Paris created it as an escape to 'a more simple time' far away from the tech and stress the crew was under.
It was the open door 24/7 never shutting it off for months that resulted in the glitch to begin with. Once the glitch started to spread the crew worked like mad to save the program. The original program. As pretending to be magical creatures isn't what this Holo-Novel was constructed for. Add to that the fact that Janeway was falling for one of the characters (I'll agree her role was all over the place, due to various writers and producers) suffice it to say, the crew was very attached to those characters and that setting just the way it was. If they wanted a Holo-Novel to pretend to be Fey they could just make one from scratch. Janeway had her Da Vinci program and Paris had his Capt. Proton program. This was the crews program. Still, it was a bit of a mini-arc, getting touched on here and there for 3 or 4 episodes before being the main focus for 2. If you hadn't seen Fair Haven's creation and subsequent overuse... If the 1st time you see Fair Haven was the Glitch episode it could leave you asking "What's the big deal just delete the dern thing and start over" When, for them, it was more than just a holodeck simulation. |
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ah, there you are! I'd been wondering when you would show up.|
Originally Posted by Samothrake
I havent brought it up before because apparently there are a few here who do not like it, but Peter Davids New Frontier books would actually make a great setting for a new series. It has everything you people seem to want in a new series: set after the Dominion War, exploration of new areas of space, what it means to be human, new aliens, conflict between different factions and the Federation, and even the nonhuman captain.
Captain Mknzy Calhoun isnt human. He looks very much like a human, but his history and motivations, while very much understandable are not the same. The crew, while having a lot of humans has a lot of nonhumans highlighted in the books. One species is hermaphroditic and the officer becomes both father of one child and mother of another as the series progresses. We have two Vulcans. But we have variety in that one is actually a Vulcan/Romulan hybrid (and emotional control issues) and the other lost her mate on their wedding/PonFar night (and all the attendant mental scarring that entails). We have a Thing-like rock alien who (of course) is the security chief. Another alien crew member is described as rather like a cross between a sasquatch and a bat. And there are numerous others that I cant recall right now. We even get some stories focused on the night crew. The series is set in a new-to-us sector of space. This gives us new aliens to meet and new factions to come into conflict with. And new planets to see. The biggest problem with bringing the series to screen would be the inclusion of several characters first seen in TNG: Robin Lefler (played by Ashley Judd in TNG) and Elizabeth Shelby (played by Elizabeth Denehy in TNG). Both roles are now 20 years in the past. However, both characters could be ejected or replaced by others and a series would still be fun to watch. However, with the following the novel series has, we probably wont see it turned in to film as we would have the same book to film problems we seem to have with so many other books that are turned into movies. See Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings for examples of they didnt do it that way in the books, the books are better, and why did they leave out this part? |
For what its worth, I agree it'd make an interesting series. As to the older cast referenced, I think Abrams' film broke the ice for recasting of parts. Younger actresses in the roles of Lefler and Shelby should not be a problem.
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Have to recast Morgan Primus anyway, considering Majel Barrett-Roddenbery is dead. Although they could always go the animated route, like the proposed Final Frontier series from a few years ago.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
ah, there you are! I'd been wondering when you would show up.
For what its worth, I agree it'd make an interesting series. As to the older cast referenced, I think Abrams' film broke the ice for recasting of parts. Younger actresses in the roles of Lefler and Shelby should not be a problem. |
Goodbye, I guess.
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Wanted, not mandated.
Like what I said they did. They are showing things that might have happened like this but because of the way they did it you can, but don't have to accept it as cannon. It's a pretty clever trick.
"I felt that everything that had been said about the Temporal Cold War had already been said. I felt a heavy reliance on time travel at the beginning of Enterprise"
In other words. He felt there was a dictate, but not expressed AND thought that the way he ABRUPTLY ENDED it was was wrong...what's the opposite of abrupt?
"I felt a heavy reliance on time travel at the beginning of Enterprise"
Do you know what Reliance means?
It would be nice if you would stop quote mining.
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