Is It Too Soon For Another Trek TV Series?
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Posted on: 2011-08-25 13:16 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
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I've always thought that would be a great approach: The few episodes involving the Academy have always left me wanting for them to explore it further. I bumped into a few issues of a comic series with some of Nog's adventures there that was actually pretty amusing (especially interactions with his female Andorian classmate). It shouldn't be to hard a pitch to a network either as it could have the young angsty school kid thing a lot of shows do and you wouldn't have to worry about the characters acting according to Starfleet ethics all the time because they are still learning. Also they might be able to budget on the cheap since they wouldn't have to create alien planets to often (just when characters visited home) and could reuse set components from other earth based shows (just glue a tech panel to the wall of a normal restaurant set and instant high tech earth restaurant).
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
I think we should pull the series back to the beginning. Not the "back-in-time" beginning but the beginning of ANY Federation hopefull's career. I want to see a show centered around the Federation Academy.
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Originally Posted by Freitag
I recall discussing this with friends and family about ten years ago ... the problem I see with a new Star Trek series is that it's more or less been done before. We've seen adventures on a space ship, we've seen adventures on a space station. They had to add a space ship to the space station because it wasn't working out all that well when limited to only a station.
I guess I have no issue of more of the same, if it's like TNG... TNG benefited from veteran actors (many Shakespearean), and writing that, while not always perfect, had a seriousness behind it that made it special. That went away with Voyager, where it became a soap opera. That's what worries me the most with a "young fresh cast"... that it'll just become an excessively dramatic soap opera that dispenses with the seriousness that a future space tale should involve. We're dealing with 4-500 years in the future, where we're interacting with other species, some of whom have never been encountered before. It's not even remotely believable that the crew of a spaceship would behave the way young people act in many tv shows nowadays. I really think the franchise would benefit from older actors, personally. We probably won't get another Patrick Stewart, but we should try. ~Freitag |
Agreed.
The younger cast part doesn't set quite right with me. Why? Why do we need, or want, a younger cast? It certainly doesn't make it more believable. So what does it add to the show?
Now, there's good reason to have (all, or a majority of) younger people on the show. Maybe a couple people not long out of the academy, having to adjust to actual life deployed out on a ship for months/years at a time. But that's really just something that should be in the background. Part of the individual character development.
There's no logical reason the crew as a whole needs to be Young and Sexy.
Except ratings. Tart it up for the ratings.
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I think some people forget that Star Trek is at its heart a space adventure, and it works best as a space adventure. It does not work well as a soap opera. TNG worked because it took what was most attractive from TOS and then, over time, refined and improved upon it. DS9 tried to change that, and eventually they were practically forced, kicking and screaming, to add the space adventure elements they tried to run away from. Voyager actually tried to say, ok, lets make a space adventure where all the adventurers don't actually want to be there.|
Originally Posted by Freitag
I recall discussing this with friends and family about ten years ago ... the problem I see with a new Star Trek series is that it's more or less been done before. We've seen adventures on a space ship, we've seen adventures on a space station. They had to add a space ship to the space station because it wasn't working out all that well when limited to only a station.
I guess I have no issue of more of the same, if it's like TNG... TNG benefited from veteran actors (many Shakespearean), and writing that, while not always perfect, had a seriousness behind it that made it special. That went away with Voyager, where it became a soap opera. That's what worries me the most with a "young fresh cast"... that it'll just become an excessively dramatic soap opera that dispenses with the seriousness that a future space tale should involve. We're dealing with 4-500 years in the future, where we're interacting with other species, some of whom have never been encountered before. It's not even remotely believable that the crew of a spaceship would behave the way young people act in many tv shows nowadays. I really think the franchise would benefit from older actors, personally. We probably won't get another Patrick Stewart, but we should try. ~Freitag |
I don't know what went wrong with Enterprise, except its clear the writers wanted to "be different" and "not do the obvous" like mine the rich history of Star Trek. Thus, the temporal cold war we've never heard about, the Suliban we've never heard of, the literally Earth-shattering Xindi we've never heard of. Meanwhile, every time they do manage to reference pre-existing Star Trek, its almost always goofy: explaining Klingon ridges, somehow getting the Borg and the Ferengi involved. Then they skirt the Romulans because I guess they didn't want to focus on the Romulan war, then introduce the previously unheard of Xindi war. Why invent the Xindi war when there was a Romulan war they explicitly wanted to ignore? Because, I'm forced to conclude, the writers on Enterprise were only using the name Star Trek to peddle their own unique stories that had nothing to do with Star Trek, rather than trying to act as stewards for Star Trek itself.
People rag on Abrams Star Trek, but I'll say this: its clear Abrams, Kurtzman, and Orci wanted to actually make Star Trek. They succeeded for some, and failed for others, but timeline or no timeline they at least acknowledged there was a Star Trek out there. In many cases, and I'm thinking about Voyager and Enterprise, it seemed the writers were trying to escape Star Trek, not make Star Trek.
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Enterprise got a lot wrong, but I have to say that if nothing else I enjoyed every Andorian-focussed episode I managed to see. Of course, that may just be because Jeffrey Combs is awesome.
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I generally liked the Andorian story lines, most of the Vulcan story lines, and I did like the way the Federation sort of converged on Archer's past good deads coming back to him at the end. It wasn't portrayed as "humans are the best things in the galaxy" so much as "humans are too young to know any better, so they tend to have fresh eyes; also, they want to be friends with everyone, and they have a bad history with no one."|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Enterprise got a lot wrong, but I have to say that if nothing else I enjoyed every Andorian-focussed episode I managed to see. Of course, that may just be because Jeffrey Combs is awesome.
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In fact, you almost got the sense that everyone felt they should try to stick with humans because there were initially very selfish reasons for doing so. The Andorians thought humans were relatively straight shooters who would stand up against the Vulcans, but were no threat to them. The Vulcans thought without their guidence humans would become the Hells Angels of the galaxy. I think each race saw humans as something that was either useful or dangerous, but at least fair enough to be given a shot. Except of course for the Klingons.
I think Enterprise had a lot of potential, but a lot of it was frittered away.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Enterprise got a lot wrong, but I have to say that if nothing else I enjoyed every Andorian-focussed episode I managed to see. Of course, that may just be because Jeffrey Combs is awesome.
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I knew they were awesome the first time I heard the Andorians refer to the humans as "pinkskins".
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Now see, that's where they messed up. They could have had Travis and Hoshi lean around Archer and say "What did you just call us?" |
Originally Posted by Gaming_Glen
I loved the Andorian episodes as well.
I knew they were awesome the first time I heard the Andorians refer to the humans as "pinkskins". |
Long-time Trek fan here.
I think that Star Trek worked best when it had zero elements of soap operadom bogging it down. Yes, at times there was "a message" in the original series, but for the most part, it was a western set in space. Any episode that didn't have either 1) Kirk beating someone up or 2) getting a girl was kind of a waste of time. I seriously doubt that more than once or twice any of the series' writers said, "What about continuity?"
If I were to pitch a new Star Trek series I would do so in a way in which the show's canon is almost completely irrelevant. Is it set in the Abrams timeline or the old series' timelines? Doesn't matter, you're never told.
I really like the idea mentioned above of a rotating cast and crew, constantly bringing new people. Here's a concept to go along with it. The show focuses on, say, First Contact teams. In the premiere two-hour special, we get to watch a Starfleet First Contact team establish formal communication with an alien species. Except, oh no! Something goes wrong! Conflict ensues, followed by a climax (maybe even a literal Kirk-style one), then a dénouement. At the end of the show, we see one of the team's members talking over subspace to his Academy buddy on another contact team somewhere else.
Next week we open up with that conversation, and then we follow that team's story, but maybe this one has had established communication for a year or two and things are breaking down. Oh no, conflict ensues! ...
And so on. The only "continuity" we really have to worry about is maybe across a two- or three-episode arc. Or maybe we leave a little thread of an issue open at the end of an episode and revisit that crew later in the season. Maybe people get shuffled around sometimes, or a Klingon, Vulcan, or other familiar race gets involved now and then, but without any compelling need to be particularly knowledgeable of political and/or military affairs that are going on in the rest of the Federation that would necessitate dredging up that old boat anchor of continuity yet again.
If we absolutely have to have a regular cast, maybe have two or three people at the First Contact home office to bookend each show's story.
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Its an interesting idea in theory, but in practice it never seems to work. To work, you have to somehow make sure the audience never really connects with the characters in a way that makes them hate you for getting rid of them, while still making enough of a connection to keep coming back. This was actually supposed to be something they were intending to do on Heroes, but of course that was one of the first things to go.|
Originally Posted by TonyV
I really like the idea mentioned above of a rotating cast and crew, constantly bringing new people.
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This can only work in anthologies with a strong enough theme that the theme itself is the hook. Like the Twilight Zone, for example, as mentioned.
If I was going to pitch Star Trek for television, I wouldn't even do a series. I just don't trust the writers - any writers - enough to sustain a Trek series anymore. I would pitch it as a series of made for TV movies, like the Columbo movies, say. Give them two hours to tell one complete story. No grand story lines they seem to have difficulty making work in Star Trek. No set up for the future. The grand excuse of Enterprise: we were saving this and that for the future. When you're saving ideas for four years into your future, you're either extremely arrogant that you'll even be around in four years or incredibly talented. You, Mr. Star Trek writer. Do you have a story to tell? Great, here's two hours. What's that you say, you want to save your best ideas for the future? Great, we'll give the two hours to someone else who wants to tell their best story now. You can go back to writing dialog for the SyFy movie of the week.
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Problem with that idea Tony is that it would eventually devolve into a formulaic 'Alien of the week' type show.
You mentioned not being held to continuity, which to me, means you might as well call the show SpaceTime. Why go through the hassle of securing the Trek ip and then disregard the brand?
The Federation doesn't have First Contact teams, like strike teams, as they simply don't have a need. By this point in time it's probably only 1 first contact a year, if that and those are handled by the crew that discovers them most often.
I can see the potential in your concept though, with a few alterations. Perhaps focus on various Terra Forming teams throughout the quadrant.
Though this could potentially suffer from 'The Heroes Fate' as I call it. Tim Kring's original plan for Heroes was to have it focus on a new group every season. After the huge success of the 1st season though the network forced him to retain the big new stars and well...
Maybe just have the main star be a vagabond of sorts, maybe an expert that hops from ship to ship, station to station, solving various dilemas and getting into trouble.
Edit to add: Bah, Arcana beat me to it.
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Id really like to see a series take place after ds9's Dominion war while some of those people are still living to make reappearances for parts of the series. How did things turn out for Sisko after he joined the prophets? What about Odo finally joining the great link and what becomes of the people of Cardassia after dominion occupation? The series really ended with a bit of a cliffhanger.
Enterprise also deserves another revist. It was supposed to have atleast 1 more season before it was canceled and it really was a great show with an interesting story line. This series really got interesting in the 2nd and 3rd seaasons and I think the show would probably do better this time around especially if they add some additional seasons for past fans.
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Take this (Post-war exposition) put it on a small ship, say a Nova Class so that you can have the main bridge crew and a set number of recurring crewmembers instead of a constant parade of random extras.|
Originally Posted by Noyjitat
Id really like to see a series take place after ds9's Dominion war while some of those people are still living to make reappearances for parts of the series. How did things turn out for Sisko after he joined the prophets? What about Odo finally joining the great link and what becomes of the people of Cardassia after dominion occupation? The series really ended with a bit of a cliffhanger.
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That way they can develop stories beyond just "What's the Captain et al. up to today?" You can have various episodes that focus on say, the Science team or the night shift, without having to waste time each episode setting up who the heck these people are, and it makes sense that you would see the same group of junior officer types again, cause of the small crew size.
It being on a ship gives you the freedom to move about encountering various happenings and keeps the setting fresh and interesting, but the Nova class, like Voyager's Intrepid Class, is capable of planetary landing so you can have the ship also serve as a base of operations for planetbound episodes.
Given the era it would be set in you could also include representatives from non-Federation powers if you wanted. Perhaps what with it being a period of relative cooperation between the powers, you could have a Romulan exchange officer. Maybe your mission is part of the Cardassian Relief effort, so you need a special liaison to the Detapa Council on board. This gives the option of developing storylines detailing cultural/moral/ethical transition and conflict between peoples.
Tons of options you could work with.
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The problem with Enterprise is that a lot of the viewers don't get how time travel works and think that its "whatever i say it is" Star Trek has been consistent with it's time traveling elements throughout and Enterprise is ALL ABOUT time travel. It is one big Time Travel story and it really makes sense when you look at it not as a prequel of other Star Trek series, but as a sequel set in the future.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't know what went wrong with Enterprise, except its clear the writers wanted to "be different" and "not do the obvous" like mine the rich history of Star Trek. Thus, the temporal cold war we've never heard about, the Suliban we've never heard of, the literally Earth-shattering Xindi we've never heard of. Meanwhile, every time they do manage to reference pre-existing Star Trek, its almost always goofy: explaining Klingon ridges, somehow getting the Borg and the Ferengi involved. Then they skirt the Romulans because I guess they didn't want to focus on the Romulan war, then introduce the previously unheard of Xindi war. Why invent the Xindi war when there was a Romulan war they explicitly wanted to ignore? Because, I'm forced to conclude, the writers on Enterprise were only using the name Star Trek to peddle their own unique stories that had nothing to do with Star Trek, rather than trying to act as stewards for Star Trek itself.
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It's confusing because the setting and main cast are all from the past, but if you watch it as from the point of view of we know this didn't or shouldn't happen like this because we know the future it all makes sense. The series starts pretty much by introducing us to an element didn't previously exist in the timeline before hand... the suliban... and then we are slowly introduced to the temporal cold war, the future federation, the temporal accords, and within all that we are introduced to this war that did not and should not be occurring (even according to the people in the story) with the xindi war.
So what are we looking at? We are looking at the future actions of factions in a past setting that supposedly gets corrected after the war happens with only a few people in the "past" knowing about it.
It's kinda like how there is a Dallek in World War II that couldn't be there unless the events of whatever future date when the Doctor destroyed them took place... Yes the setting is the past but in the overall timeline of the series it actually takes place after the events that happen in future.
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I like Voyager and I think people forget that they explored various issues as well, but it also moved away from the atheistic secular humanist world view that ST promotes for the most part and dealt with a lot of theistic new age world view stuff that cropped up out of place in TNG some TNG episodes and after DS9 pretty much focusing entirely on the concept of "higher" beings as gods, Voyager was almost like a reaction to DS9 every sense of what it did.
Enterprise on the other hand came about because First Contact made a lot of money, people wanted to see the era, and they saw it as a way to have their cake and eat it too with the fact that they could explore known space as though it were unexplored... and it's not like we have seen every race in the 400 episodes that make up TOS, TNG, and DS9 that the Federation has come across and a number of races while we've seen haven't been explored so it was more or less a perfect setting for whatever one wanted.
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The time travel wasn't confusing, I just didn't care about it. Not least of which because the Suliban just weren't interesting bad guys.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
The problem with Enterprise is that a lot of the viewers don't get how time travel works and think that its "whatever i say it is" Star Trek has been consistent with it's time traveling elements throughout and Enterprise is ALL ABOUT time travel. It is one big Time Travel story and it really makes sense when you look at it not as a prequel of other Star Trek series, but as a sequel set in the future.
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| Actually Voyager was made because people expressed that what they love about TOS and TNG is the unknown and the exploration of new races and cultures and the idea that they're on the frontier. Everyone saw that a show like that couldn't be done without something like throwing them to the far side of the galaxy because the world around the federation had been explored and people know all about everything in that area. So in fact they were trying to recapture what TOS and TNG was seen as to plenty of people. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Most people thought the time travel elements in Enterprise were silly and unnecessary, because they were silly and unnecessary, not because of any perception of time travel inconsistency. I should point out that my not refuting your assertion above is not an act of acceding to your interpretation, just not engaging in a debate of it. I can say your interpretation of time travel in Star Trek isn't common enough to be the source of any large percentage of viewer incredulity.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
The problem with Enterprise is that a lot of the viewers don't get how time travel works and think that its "whatever i say it is" Star Trek has been consistent with it's time traveling elements throughout and Enterprise is ALL ABOUT time travel. It is one big Time Travel story and it really makes sense when you look at it not as a prequel of other Star Trek series, but as a sequel set in the future.
It's confusing because the setting and main cast are all from the past, but if you watch it as from the point of view of we know this didn't or shouldn't happen like this because we know the future it all makes sense. The series starts pretty much by introducing us to an element didn't previously exist in the timeline before hand... the suliban... and then we are slowly introduced to the temporal cold war, the future federation, the temporal accords, and within all that we are introduced to this war that did not and should not be occurring (even according to the people in the story) with the xindi war. So what are we looking at? We are looking at the future actions of factions in a past setting that supposedly gets corrected after the war happens with only a few people in the "past" knowing about it. It's kinda like how there is a Dallek in World War II that couldn't be there unless the events of whatever future date when the Doctor destroyed them took place... Yes the setting is the past but in the overall timeline of the series it actually takes place after the events that happen in future. |
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| Actually Voyager was made because people expressed that what they love about TOS and TNG is the unknown and the exploration of new races and cultures and the idea that they're on the frontier. Everyone saw that a show like that couldn't be done without something like throwing them to the far side of the galaxy because the world around the federation had been explored and people know all about everything in that area. So in fact they were trying to recapture what TOS and TNG was seen as to plenty of people. |
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| I like Voyager and I think people forget that they explored various issues as well, but it also moved away from the atheistic secular humanist world view that ST promotes for the most part and dealt with a lot of theistic new age world view stuff that cropped up out of place in TNG some TNG episodes and after DS9 pretty much focusing entirely on the concept of "higher" beings as gods, Voyager was almost like a reaction to DS9 every sense of what it did. |
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| Enterprise on the other hand came about because First Contact made a lot of money, people wanted to see the era, and they saw it as a way to have their cake and eat it too with the fact that they could explore known space as though it were unexplored... and it's not like we have seen every race in the 400 episodes that make up TOS, TNG, and DS9 that the Federation has come across and a number of races while we've seen haven't been explored so it was more or less a perfect setting for whatever one wanted. |
2. The time period of Star Trek First Contact is the end of the last world war, 2063. Enterprise takes place around the birth of the Federation, starting at 2051, almost one hundred years later. They aren't in the same era.
3. The creators and writers said many times in interviews they wanted to do something completely different, and they set Enterprise as they did to give them what they thought was the freedom to do something completely different. Even small details like dropping the "Star Trek" from the title and using non-orchestral music for the theme were explicit decisions intended to be different. There's even evidence to suggest the entire reason for introducing the temporal cold war was to give them an escape hatch to violate prior canon and hand wave it away. Which, on a Star Trek series, you do at risk to your own life and limb.
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hmm.. I can be wrong but the Star Trek fans of old are not their kids!
Is it by chance possible that the whole Star Trek universe is now old news and will not bring enough money in to valid any new series?
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We already know just the name Star Trek itself is not enough to make enough money to sustain much of anything. However, that's sort of besides the point: a really good series that happens to be set in Star Trek will make a ton of money. The BSG2k series is a good example: nostalgia might have gotten them some attention, but it would not have sustained a new series. The fact that the writing was really sharp in that very first season is what propelled them to success. A Star Trek series with episodes like 33 in it would be successful no matter how much Trek burn out there is. |
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hmm.. I can be wrong but the Star Trek fans of old are not their kids!
Is it by chance possible that the whole Star Trek universe is now old news and will not bring enough money in to valid any new series? |
And above all else that is debatable, Abrams proved you can make a movie called Star Trek with Kirk and Spock and McCoy in it, and people will pay to go see it if they perceive a high enough entertainment value.
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I'm a huge fan of TNG. Thanks to Tivo I was able to 'rediscover' TNG as an adult and subsequently watched every single episode no less than 100 times each. For a year or so it was my routine to eat dinner while watching 2 episodes of TNG.
Eventually though, it got to the point I could tell the entire episode from the very 1st line uttered. I needed my Star Trek fix though, so I turned to Voyager.
I wasn't able to get into Voyager at all, just didn't sit right with me. So I then tried DS9. That show though, felt nothing like Trek to me. It was so wrapped up in religious overtones I just gave up.
I then returned to Voyager, starting at episode 1. I was determined to give it a fair chance this time around, as it had been over a year since I stopped watching TNG. Once I got over the fact that Janeway is not Picard I was able to get into it. Eventually I grew to appreciate the magnificent adventure in the Delta Quadrant, I learned to love Tuvok and Neelix's friendship. I looked beyond the gimmick of 7 of 9 and I found a show that felt more like TNG than anything else being the brand.
Voyager would eventually replace TNG as my favorite series, after multiple watchings revealed the depth and nuances of their journey home.
Suffice it to say, by the time I got to the point of knowing every Voyager episode start to finish, I was needing a new Trek to get involved in.
So I turned to the only other option to me, as TOS just feels to campy compared to TNG. I tried my best to get into Enterprise. I really did.
I loved Quantum Leap so I figured Scott would make a great Captain and I was all set for a wonderful new adventure.
Sadly, it became apparent real quick, that each episode was going to be just one excuse after another to get the female Vulcan naked.
I must've tried 5 or 6 various episodes. In every single one the plot seemed to be building to the point of getting Archer and her alone long enough to have her find a way to get out of uniform. Really broke the show for me. Trying to sex up Trek just doesn't sit right.
Perhaps the show 'found it's niche' further into it's run. I never gave it another shot though. Maybe I should look into the later seasons?
So those in the know, does Enterprise ever break away from that sexual tension being the subplot in every episode mold and you know, actually have trek tales?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Most people thought the time travel elements in Enterprise were silly and unnecessary, because they were silly and unnecessary, not because of any perception of time travel inconsistency. I should point out that my not refuting your assertion above is not an act of acceding to your interpretation, just not engaging in a debate of it. I can say your interpretation of time travel in Star Trek isn't common enough to be the source of any large percentage of viewer incredulity.
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The perceived story doesn't need time travel
The actual story is nothing but time travel
Season 1 - Enterprise continuously runs across the Suliban who interferes with the Enterprise... The Suliban are a genetically altered and risen species that is created and controlled by a future faction.
Season 2 - Enterprise searches for info on the Suliban up until the end of the series where the Xindi attack earth. The Xindi who are controlled by a future faction that is defeated by the federation in the future and thus try to stop them early on.
Season 3 - Enterprise make their way to the Xindi homeworld and in doing so learn about the future aliens trying to attack in the past and as a result stop that event from happening before it does.
Season 4 - The Enterprise starts taking an active role in the past where they fight the temporal cold war with Daniels and thus reset the timeline to what it should be...
That is to say that entire series never happened in the canon of star trek as far as a historical point of view and the entire story is about time travel and the future interfering with the past.
Now if we remove that what happens to the series? It pretty much removes the entire series' story archs.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
I'm a huge fan of TNG. Thanks to Tivo I was able to 'rediscover' TNG as an adult and subsequently watched every single episode no less than 100 times each. For a year or so it was my routine to eat dinner while watching 2 episodes of TNG.
Eventually though, it got to the point I could tell the entire episode from the very 1st line uttered. I needed my Star Trek fix though, so I turned to Voyager. I wasn't able to get into Voyager at all, just didn't sit right with me. So I then tried DS9. That show though, felt nothing like Trek to me. It was so wrapped up in religious overtones I just gave up. I then returned to Voyager, starting at episode 1. I was determined to give it a fair chance this time around, as it had been over a year since I stopped watching TNG. Once I got over the fact that Janeway is not Picard I was able to get into it. Eventually I grew to appreciate the magnificent adventure in the Delta Quadrant, I learned to love Tuvok and Neelix's friendship. I looked beyond the gimmick of 7 of 9 and I found a show that felt more like TNG than anything else being the brand. Voyager would eventually replace TNG as my favorite series, after multiple watchings revealed the depth and nuances of their journey home. Suffice it to say, by the time I got to the point of knowing every Voyager episode start to finish, I was needing a new Trek to get involved in. So I turned to the only other option to me, as TOS just feels to campy compared to TNG. I tried my best to get into Enterprise. I really did. I loved Quantum Leap so I figured Scott would make a great Captain and I was all set for a wonderful new adventure. Sadly, it became apparent real quick, that each episode was going to be just one excuse after another to get the female Vulcan naked. I must've tried 5 or 6 various episodes. In every single one the plot seemed to be building to the point of getting Archer and her alone long enough to have her find a way to get out of uniform. Really broke the show for me. Trying to sex up Trek just doesn't sit right. Perhaps the show 'found it's niche' further into it's run. I never gave it another shot though. Maybe I should look into the later seasons? So those in the know, does Enterprise ever break away from that sexual tension being the subplot in every episode mold and you know, actually have trek tales? |
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Shard_Warrior is very clearly confusing the two as if they mean the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior
Star Trek is about the exploration of humanity... what it is to be human. That would be a difficult sell if the Captain was an alien. I'd rather not see an alien captain for the sake of having an alien captain.
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Like I plainly implied Star Trek is obviously a show made by humans for the purpose of "exploring humanity" but some of the best ways to explore a subject from a literary point of view is to highlight and contrast differences between things to expose their true natures. Case in point some of the best Trek has always revolved around fundamental racial conflicts. Do I even have to mention Spock's constant struggles to balance his alien and human halves?
If you want a show that will "explore humanity" as you say what better way could there be than to introduce a non-human in a pivotal commanding role and see how all the other humans around that leader react to him/her.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
But, I belive that an alien as captain would be a fine furtherance of exploring humanity - for both that character and for us as viewers.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd rather they retcon that episode out of existence.
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I would like to see a series with Gary 7 or the more appropriate name would be Harry 8 since we can't get the actor that played Gary 7. The formation of Section 31 or a show about the Department of Temporal Affairs would also be interesting ideas.
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