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Originally Posted by Caradavina
Ok, I'm just going to ask this in layman's terms:
I am currently a subscribing member and I have TONS of alts. However, sometimes I cannot pay my sub fee and welcome the chance to be able to play during those times. From what I am understanding, I will at least be able to play two toons (except MM's, right?) [color yellow]on each server[/color] while I am free to play. I can unlock my other toons with earned PP. Ok, now, my concern is only this - I won't lose any of my created characters? I mean, they might be locked but none of them will disappear, right? |
(It's actually 2 + however many extra character slots you purchased/earned + 2 if you already own Going Rogue)
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Let's do this in a list!
If you are not paying for your account in City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
- BASE FREE/PREMIUM ACCOUNT: 2 characters, total
- OWN GOING ROGUE BEFORE FREEDOM LAUNCH: Add 2 more characters
- PER YEAR OF PAST SUBSCRIPTION: Add 1 character per year
- PER PURCHASED CHARACTER SLOT (beyond standard 12 per server): Add 1 character per slot purchased
If you are paying your subscription come City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
- VIP ACCOUNT: 12 characters PER SERVER total
- OWN GOING ROGUE BEFORE FREEDOM LAUNCH: Add 2 more characters
- PER YEAR OF PAST SUBSCRIPTION: Add 1 character per year
- PER PURCHASED CHARACTER SLOT (beyond standard 12 per server): Add 1 character per slot purchased
- Other bonuses possible (+2 for being an i12 subscriber, etc.)
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Sorry, that's not correct. It's 1 per 12 months of paid subscription time. These were the slots we earned through Veteran's Rewards. I think your confusion may have come from Second Measure's example in his OP. The example was "if you have been a subscriber for 3 years". Or the late hours.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
The yellowed part is incorrect. You get two TOTAL, not per server.
(It's actually 2 + however many extra character slots you purchased/earned + 3 if you've got more than 36 months in past subscriptions + 2 if you already own Going Rogue) |
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Hey folks, there have been a lot of questions over the last few days, and one of the points we wanted to clarify is what happens to your character slots if you stop being a VIP.
Free players get two Global Character Slot Tokens; they can use these tokens to unlock two slots *total* on any server(s) they wish except the VIP server (not two per server). Premium players/former VIP players will have all of their character slots locked, then will get the same two free Global Character Slot Tokens, of course, plus one Global Character Slot Token for every twelve months they have been subscribed to City of Heroes (these were formerly awarded by the Veteran Rewards program). In addition, if someone purchased Going Rogue before the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, they will get two free Global Character Slot Tokens to represent the two free character slots that came with Going Rogue. Plus, as a Premium player you will get Global Character Slot Tokens in exchange for any and all character slots you have purchased in addition to these. You will then be able to use these tokens to unlock existing characters or empty slots where you can make new characters. So for example, if you have been a subscriber for three years, purchased Going Rogue, never bought a single extra character slot, and choose to stop paying your subscription, you will have:
You will retain all of these slots for your account, no matter how many times your VIP status changes back and forth between VIP and Premium. Of course, if you are a VIP, you will get twelve free slots on every server, instead of two slots total. Plus you will get one free Global Character Slot Token per twelve months of subscription time, any slots you have purchased, and if you have purchased Going Rogue prior to the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, you will also get the two free slots that came with Going Rogue. (After the launch of Freedom, Going Rogue will no longer come with these two free slots.) |
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I'm going to chose to believe that the reason I didn't immediately process it as such is due to the fact that it wasn't in the form of a Power Point slide.
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For a short time period around some early/mid Issue (Issue 12??), current subscribers were given 2 character slots to use as they saw fit, for free. If they did not claim them (I forget if the requirement was to "log in" or if the requirement was to "unlock a slot"), they did not have access to them. So not all players have these extra 2 slots.
Will players who managed to obtain the 2 extra slots still have them when Freedom launches? For instance, currently, on my Infinity server:
12 base slots
2 Going Rogue slots
2 freebie slots
5 purchased slots
TOTAL: 21 -- (of these slots, 2 are empty)
When Freedom launches, will I still have a total of 21 character slots w/VIP sub, or will I only have 19 character slots w/VIP sub, effectively locking out my two empty slots?
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So . . . I'm going to get MORE stuff and more CHOICES at no extra cost ?
*runs around screaming* "The free stuff is falling ! The free stuff is falling !"
So booster packs, costume sets, etc. will be available to me AND IT WON'T COST ANYTHING EXTRA ? Not one thin dime, or pfennig, or even a single simoleon ?
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Hopefully my answer wasn't entirely convoluted sounding in that case...and if it was...someone bring me more caffeine.
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Zwill, asking on behalf of potential Premium players that no longer have access to the boards: Everything you've said above remains true, excepting if someone wishes to unlock a MM or Controller, yes? In that regard, what happens? They unlock it, but it remains unplayable? Or will the game not allow a Premium player to unlock a historic character that happens to now be a VIP AT.
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Bob the COH Player played COH for 3 months. Bob made a MM during that 3 months. Bob's MM is locked for play and cannot be selected as one of his characters to use a Global Character Slot Token on.
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Originally Posted by Second Measure
Of course, if you are a VIP, you will get twelve free slots on every server, instead of two slots total. Plus you will get one free Global Character Slot Token per twelve months of subscription time, any slots you have purchased, and if you have purchased Going Rogue prior to the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, you will also get the two free slots that came with Going Rogue. (After the launch of Freedom, Going Rogue will no longer come with these two free slots.)
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The good thing is that Global Channel access will be a privilege earned through the Paragon Rewards Program...
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Not only will you be able to pick up your VIP status at any point, but you'll also retain access to all of the things you've previously earned via Paragon Rewards/Veteran Rewards AND anything you had previously purchased.
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Basically, as soon as your VIP (or current sub) lapses, once Freedom has launched of course, you will immediately become either Premium or Free. Either way, you keep all of your veteran's rewards and previously purchased content.
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Yes, No, Maybe?
There's multiple answers for this one...it depends on your Vet status (how many Paragon Reward Tokens you have) as it is unlocked through the Paragon Rewards Program, which is basically the Vet Reward Program revamped. If you've unlocked the MM through this method, then yes, you have it for ever and ever, amen. If not, and you haven't purchased the "license" then those characters/AT's would be unplayable if you revert to non-VIP. |
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To put it in terms that are easily understandable by today's current systems: You will be able to unlock the MM AT as a "Vet Reward". If you earn it this way, you got it, forever...and ever...eternity...always....
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There's some crossover, but the best way to think of the Paragon Rewards program is the Veteran Rewards program 10.0 (we skipped a few version). You'll get Rewards tokens simply by maintaining your subscription (among other ways).
Paragon Points are used for the new in-game store. All VIP players will get both Paragon Points and Reward Tokens as part of their subscription. http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...eedom_faq.html Q: What is the difference between a Reward Token and a Paragon Point? A: Reward Tokens can be redeemed to unlock free in-game benefits. They are earned as part of your monthly VIP player subscription or as a bonus for purchasing Paragon Points. Paragon Points can be used to purchase items through the new in-game Paragon Market. |
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Not that this thread is about the unlockable AT's
 ...buuuuuut...As things currently stand there's the following scenarios:
I personally find that option five is the most likely. |
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There is no way to ignore the Paragon Reward Tokens you'll receive for having played umpteen years. Check the other scenarios I proposed
. Just to clarify something... Paragon Points are spent in the Paragon Market (mtx store). In other words: You give Paragon money = We give you points (this is outside of the 400 pts included in the VIP Subscription of course) Paragon Reward Tokens are used to unlock nifty rewards and are granted much like the system currently known as the Veteran Rewards Program (it's a complete revamp/improvement of said system). One of these things you'll be able to unlock (your choice, it's a pretty flexible system) is the MM AT. |
MM's & 'Trollers were never part of the Veteran Rewards Program in the first place.
They are AT's which were part of purchased content, either by box or by subscription (ie, issue release). HEATs & VEATs were also part of purchased content, but were level gated (levels very recently lowered, I might add).
WHY the heck should a VIP who lapses to Premium be forced to SPEND their Veteran Reward Points to access something that they have already purchased (accessed, played, invested in) at one point? OH, and THEN, once the former VIP pays (via Reward Points) to unlock the content (again)... THEN it's considered "permanently" accessible?
Thats.... just not quite right.
If, as some of the previous responses indicate, you are supposed to retain access to everything you have already paid for or earned (even if you lapse to Premium)...
Then....
If you start off as a VIP, those ATs should be considered permanently accessible from the get-go.
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It seems that the rule: "What has been paid for you keep always" is trumped by the rule: "But we have to make *something* off limits otherwise there's no difference between F2P/Premium and VIP/Subscription."
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Now... Zwil... Serious and important question here:
I'm not positive. Will going from Free to VIP to Premium to VIP to Premium to VIP and then back to Premium, while balancing 8 water balloons on my head change the price of tea in China?
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I think that is being somewhat deliberately parsimonious in interpretation. While there are some corner cases here and there, the vast majority of the problem centers squarely on the fact that the rule "you keep what you bought" doesn't cover access because we've never actually had the opportunity or the right to buy access. Buying CoV did not purchase the right to play a mastermind, because that right came with subscription. It unlocked the ability to create one. It did not purchase the right to play it.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It seems that the rule: "What has been paid for you keep always" is trumped by the rule: "But we have to make *something* off limits otherwise there's no difference between F2P/Premium and VIP/Subscription."
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Because *no* player purchase *ever* covered access the rules for what we can and cannot access under Freedom don't trump the purchase rule. The purchase rule cannot ever actually apply to access.
Players currently associate access with "logging in." Its the moment you're turned away if you do not subscribe: you cannot log in and select a server. So people might be assuming that since Freedom now grants you that right, you're home free. There are no restrictions past that point: no gates past the one big gate, so once I'm past the sign in I should have access to all my characters on all my servers.
But Freedom doesn't give everyone the keys to that gate. Freedom *eliminates* that gate. Everyone can log in. Freedom *moves* the gates to the character slots themselves. Now, everyone can log in, but not everyone can access all their slots with every possible character they might have previously had the right to create. If you stop subscribing, some of the slots won't open anymore. Some of the slots won't open if they contain things you don't have the right to open.
If this is not obvious, neither is it as complicated as people seem to be attempting to portray it as. And its not arbitrary or unfair. Relocating the gates in this way is part of differentiating the resources available to free players, premium players, and subscribers. You could characterize that as just the devs having to make "something" off limits, but its not just randomly chosen for the sake of choosing something: its the most logical access right somethings to differentiate in a tiered hybrid system.
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It seems that the rule: "What has been paid for you keep always" is trumped by the rule: "But we have to make *something* off limits otherwise there's no difference between F2P/Premium and VIP/Subscription."
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Does make sense . . . . . as it stands i think they're giving TOO MUCH away for the F2P players personally.
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I'm a VIP. I bought 20 characters slots on Vigilance. All of them are used (so 20+12=32 characters).
I decide to move to Premium. I have 20 slots to claim. I decide to claim them all on Freedom. I make 20 characters on the 20 slots that I just claimed on Freedom.
I decide to move back to VIP. Where are my bought slots? Still on Freedom? Back on Vigilance? Nowhere and I have to claim them? Such a process could be a way to move already claimed slots, and if that's WAI, I think there should be an easier way to do it.
The only thing I would like to see would be the ability, if alternating between VIP and Premium, the ability to reassign GCS even if it's simply clearing all unlocks and requiring you to unlock them again.
The reason is because of altitis. During a player's VIP time they may have rolled and played an new character and they would rather continue playing them than an older one they had previously unlocked. Maybe they could have the unlock/reassignment as a Paragon Reward for X months of VIP time.
But I do understand the whole point of F2P is to sell services like global slots so I wouldn't be surprised if this idea is dismissed.
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20+2 Character unlocks, not slots you use these to unlock existing slots hence you could only unlock the available 12 slots on Freedom.
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I'm a VIP. I bought 20 characters slots on Vigilance. All of them are used (so 20+12=32 characters). I decide to move to Premium. I have 20 slots to claim. I decide to claim them all on Freedom. I make 20 characters on the 20 slots that I just claimed on Freedom. |
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20+2 Character unlocks, not slots you use these to unlock existing slots hence you could only unlock the available 12 slots on Freedom.
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All these years I was thinking that everybody get that 2 bonus slots when buy the game (I started playing in i12). I learn something new each day.
What ever premium player get is still much more than we had when not subscribed before, so I am happy about it.
Just one more question: since I have used my purchased slots only on two servers, if I ever go premium will I have to use unlock tokens only on that two servers, or could use them on other servers?
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Not that this thread is about the unlockable AT's
...buuuuuut...As things currently stand there's the following scenarios:
I personally find that option five is the most likely. |
Have you guys decided which vet reward unlocks those ATs yet, if there's going to be one? Also, will players who lapse before 1st July get any reward points for anything they've bought in the past at all? I'm guessing no, but I might as well ask.
Edit: Think I saw the answer. We get Paragon Reward Tokens right? Not Paragon Points. Tokens.
And those are basically a gift to vets, yeah?
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
WHY the heck should a VIP who lapses to Premium be forced to SPEND their Veteran Reward Points to access something that they have already purchased (accessed, played, invested in) at one point? OH, and THEN, once the former VIP pays (via Reward Points) to unlock the content (again)... THEN it's considered "permanently" accessible?
Thats.... just not quite right. |
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I am currently a subscribing member and I have TONS of alts. However, sometimes I cannot pay my sub fee and welcome the chance to be able to play during those times. From what I am understanding, I will at least be able to play two toons (except MM's, right?) on each server while I am free to play. I can unlock my other toons with earned PP. Ok, now, my concern is only this - I won't lose any of my created characters? I mean, they might be locked but none of them will disappear, right?
EDIT: Oops, missed seeing that "on each server" part. As Chad points out in the next post, it's 2 slots total, not per server. Plus any purchased Plus any earned through Veterans Rewards (1 per 12 months subscribed time) Plus 2 if you already own GR.
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