Fine. Still stand by my statement that marketing (or whoever) has done a lousy job, but I haven't come to expect much more lately.
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And may I say you have done a equally (in your words) lousy job at reading comprehnsion and if this was any other game/forums I would say for sure that you are being delibertly obtuse.
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Fine. Still stand by my statement that marketing (or whoever) has done a lousy job, but I haven't come to expect much more lately.
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Fine. Still stand by my statement that marketing (or whoever) has done a lousy job, but I haven't come to expect much more lately.
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I'm trying really really hard to trust the devs here but they don't have a great track record on this sort of thing and I have a really terrible feeling about this F2P business, so pardon me if I am expecting the absolute worst and not properly interpreting things that have not been written well to begin with.|
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And may I say you have done a equally (in your words) lousy job at reading comprehnsion and if this was any other game/forums I would say for sure that you are being delibertly obtuse.
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I'm honestly thinking about laying low until it blows over (or blows apart) because it's all making me sort of sick to my stomach.
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The forums can be a dangerous place. Sometimes its best just to read the dev digest, especially if you are feeling squeamish. I think you will find that several months from now you will be a very happy VIP player.
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I'm honestly thinking about laying low until it blows over (or blows apart) because it's all making me sort of sick to my stomach.
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The forums can be a dangerous place. Sometimes its best just to read the dev digest, especially if you are feeling squeamish. I think you will find that several months from now you will be a very happy VIP player.
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Anyway, the Dev Digest is how I found Posi's post to begin with. Yeah. Maybe I should read everything except the Dev Digest.
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Okay, I haven't seen this other question I have clarified, so I'll ask it. Regarding the 400 Paragon Points (PP) we current subscribers get each billing period after July 1st. It says 'every full billing period after July 1st'. My billing cycle is set for the 30th of each month. So what happenes, do I get 400 PP for the July cycle, awarded on July 30th, or do I not get any until August 30th? Am I going to have to let my account lapse for 24 hours - something I'd prefer NOT to do - in order to start gaining those 400 PP right off the bat?
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My fuzzy memory says that was answered in the massive thread up in the announcement forum. Anyway as I remember it the points are awarded on your billing date.
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Okay, I haven't seen this other question I have clarified, so I'll ask it. Regarding the 400 Paragon Points (PP) we current subscribers get each billing period after July 1st. It says 'every full billing period after July 1st'. My billing cycle is set for the 30th of each month. So what happenes, do I get 400 PP for the July cycle, awarded on July 30th, or do I not get any until August 30th? Am I going to have to let my account lapse for 24 hours - something I'd prefer NOT to do - in order to start gaining those 400 PP right off the bat?
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Is the maximum number of available slots per server changing?
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Unfortunately this will be a deterrent to some potential premium players, especially in light of the fact that at least one other hybrid game (LOTRO) gave both premium and F2P (I believe) two slots per server.|
Originally Posted by Vox_Doom
It is NOT 2 toons per server.
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Now CoH -- with 15 servers -- is only offering returning players who go premium two total (plus whatever unlocks, etc).
I know one former player who wants to get back in but can't afford it at the moment. If there were two slots per server, he'd be in like a shot. With all the alts he has (he's been here since beta), the current limitation weakens the idea for him. He is more than aware that it will -- and should -- be limited. This just seems a little too limited. Even one per server (plus unlocks, vet) might do the job.
Paragon has a careful balancing act to do. They want subscribers, but in order to entice former players back as premiums, they've got to make it attractive without giving away too much. I don't envy them in this regard.
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I saw that chart last night and wrote a nice post about it but the forums logged me out when I tried to Submit Reply. Since I had been fighting staying awake and spelling words right while typing that post, I decided to just go to bed instead of redoing it and say something today to compliment you on how well it was stated.|
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Then I saw Posi's post and deciding to compliment him for not only on stealing a good chart from a player but also giving them proper credit.
Then I saw your post pointing out that he spelled your name wrong.
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I'm rather afraid to say anything else at this point.
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It should be pointed out that another NCSOFT game, Guild Wars, gives paying customers FOUR character slots. Not four per server, four PERIOD. If you buy one of the "campaigns" (so-called but they're actually standalone games, just like COV used to be), two additional slots open up. So if you purchase ALL FOUR full games, you get the maximum amount of slots, which is ten. There happen to be 10 different classes, btw. (Apparently the "Eye of the North" expansion does not give extra slots, but I stopped playing GW before EotN was released so I can't say for sure.)|
Originally Posted by lionheart_fr
Unfortunately this will be a deterrent to some potential premium players, especially in light of the fact that at least one other hybrid game (LOTRO) gave both premium and F2P (I believe) two slots per server.
Now CoH -- with 15 servers -- is only offering returning players who go premium two total (plus whatever unlocks, etc). I know one former player who wants to get back in but can't afford it at the moment. If there were two slots per server, he'd be in like a shot. With all the alts he has (he's been here since beta), the current limitation weakens the idea for him. He is more than aware that it will -- and should -- be limited. This just seems a little too limited. Even one per server (plus unlocks, vet) might do the job. Paragon has a careful balancing act to do. They want subscribers, but in order to entice former players back as premiums, they've got to make it attractive without giving away too much. I don't envy them in this regard. |
So a returning player who previously paid four years worth of subscription fees, bought GR and 2 character slots gets the same number of unlocked slots (10) as the MAXIMUM available to GW players.
I agree that some returning players may be upset to find out that they will only be able to play 3 or 10 or whatever number of toons out of their entire repertoire or that some archetypes are initially closed to them. Hopefully we will all have the patience to keep pointing out that, "It's a shame you can't pay the subscription fee right now, but in the meantime, pick any three (or five or whatever) toons you like and play FOR FREE as much as you like!" or "It sucks you can't play MM's right now but keep playing and it'll be unlocked for you."
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As far as I can tell, when you go back to VIP status, all your tokens unlocks again, your get 12 slots on each server, and then you can reassign the tokens. I am not certain if you can "strand" a character in limbo (by not assigning him a slot) or if it will automatically assign slots to all existing characters first and then leave any "open slots" to be assigned as you choose.
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Okay, a hypothetical. Freedom launches, I am a Vip thanks to stayign subscribed. I am a 6 year vet who's used no slot tokens, I own going rogue from when it launched and not unlocked those slots either, I have bought none.
I suddenly have money troubles and drop back to Premium. So, I have 2+6+2 = 10 slots. I use them to unlock 10 EXISTING characters on one server (let's say Virtue). Three months later, the money problem clears up and I go ViP again. What happens to those unlocked slots? Do I get my 8 slot tokens back (they unlocked slots for EXISTING characters, not empty slots on the server), do I now have 10 slots open on Virtue? 8? What if I DID buy slots earlier before Freedom and ALREADY HAD 36 slots unlocked on Virtue, now where are those 8 slot tokens? They can't go to Virtue, it's full. |
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Then I saw Posi's post and deciding to compliment him for not only on stealing a good chart from a player but also giving them proper credit.
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I was only being playful when Posi spelled it wrong. I'm very much used to it.
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I just want to know where do I find out how many slots I will have based on whats on my account? If I have like CoH(original), CoH(dvd), CoV(Special ed.), going rogue, and like a ton or vet time. Where does it tell me what each thing gives me?
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I just want to know where do I find out how many slots I will have based on whats on my account? If I have like CoH(original), CoH(dvd), CoV(Special ed.), going rogue, and like a ton or vet time. Where does it tell me what each thing gives me?
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If that wasn't clear enough for you, you can read later in the thread where Positron stole Chad Gulzow-Man's list.
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Finally, I am stealing Chad Guzlow-man's list because I love it so much: If you are not paying for your account in City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
If you are paying your subscription come City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
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Okay, I have one question still left unanswered here. Are Global Character Slot Tokens and those used to open new character slots the same thing? I assume not. If I'm correct you may want to clarify that point as a couple of my friends are conflating the two.
To make it clear what I mean I'll create a hypothetical situation. I currently have 36 slots on Guardian and 16 on Pinnacle with no extras elsewhere. For simplicity we'll stick to Guardian and Pinnacle for this example.
Let's say I decided to buy 5 character slots, but waffle about whether to put them on Pinnacle or use them for the VIP server and so they sit unused for now. I now have 33 extra slots from purchases, GR, VRs, etc. We'll say I stay that way till I21 launches.
However, money gets tight and I decide to drop to Premium status. I should have 35 Global Character Slot Tokens. I should also have 5 character slots that have not been allocated to any server. As I understand it these are separate things. I could apply those 5 slots to Pinnacle to raise the number of slots I have there to 21, then use my Global Character Slot Tokens to open all 21 and still have 14 left to use elsewhere. Correct?
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I just assumed it was sarcasm, personally. Especially with his forum avatar. Go figure.
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And may I say you have done a equally (in your words) lousy job at reading comprehension and if this was any other game/forums I would say for sure that you are being deliberately obtuse.
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I currently have 36 slots on Guardian and 16 on Pinnacle with no extras elsewhere.
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Let's say I decided to buy 5 character slots...they sit unused for now.
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However, money gets tight and I decide to drop to Premium status. I should have 35 Global Character Slot Tokens. I should also have 5 character slots that have not been allocated to any server. As I understand it these are separate things. I could apply those 5 slots to Pinnacle to raise the number of slots I have there to 21, then use my Global Character Slot Tokens to open all 21 and still have 14 left to use elsewhere. Correct?
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You can use these tokens wherever you like. All your characters will be "greyed out" until you choose (use the tokens) which characters you want to play while you are in Premium status.
Leastwise, that's how I understand it.
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OK, after talking to one of my friends again his position is more nuanced than I'd thought. His opinion is that character slots not allocated won't count towards the number of Global Character Slot Tokens I'd get with I21 Premium status, but that server character slots would be automatically unlocked when applied. So I'd only get 30 tokens but when I used the 5 unallocated slots they'd be unlocked when I did so. This makes a good deal of sense from the perspective of post-I21 server slot purchases.|
Originally Posted by Kosmos
Okay, I have one question still left unanswered here. Are Global Character Slot Tokens and those used to open new character slots the same thing? I assume not. If I'm correct you may want to clarify that point as a couple of my friends are conflating the two.
To make it clear what I mean I'll create a hypothetical situation. I currently have 36 slots on Guardian and 16 on Pinnacle with no extras elsewhere. For simplicity we'll stick to Guardian and Pinnacle for this example. Let's say I decided to buy 5 character slots, but waffle about whether to put them on Pinnacle or use them for the VIP server and so they sit unused for now. I now have 33 extra slots from purchases, GR, VRs, etc. We'll say I stay that way till I21 launches. However, money gets tight and I decide to drop to Premium status. I should have 35 Global Character Slot Tokens. I should also have 5 character slots that have not been allocated to any server. As I understand it these are separate things. I could apply those 5 slots to Pinnacle to raise the number of slots I have there to 21, then use my Global Character Slot Tokens to open all 21 and still have 14 left to use elsewhere. Correct? |
There's not much effective difference in those implementations. However, if his opinion is correct then in the hypothetical scenario I created I'd be somewhat better off using the server slots before I21 launch, as it would allow me to choose not to unlock those slots and instead unlock 5 other slots instead.
I still think it would be useful to use distinctly different terminology to refer to available server slots and unlocked slots and the tokens used to add either, as some that I know remain completely confused by this.
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The 2 slots for GR were included in the (36-12) + (16-12) accounting as they've already been applied. So it's 2 free + 15 purchased + 7 from VRs + 2 from GR + 2 from i12 + 2 from somewhere (I'm not sure where the last 2 of my current +28 come from) + 5 from a new purchase = 35.|
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
You have 33 from purchases. You get 2 for the base account. Plus, you get 2 if you OWN (purchased) GR. That's 37 tokens so far. Plus one for each active year of veteran status.
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My concern is mostly with some friends who can't distinguish between adding a slot to a server and unlocking a slot that is already there. Post i21 it may not be possible to do the former without doing the latter, which leads to a bit of an issue with server slots that have yet to be allocated.
My assumption was that the two would be functionally independent. I've been convinced by my friend's arguments that Global Character Slot Tokens will unlock any slot. So that the 5 unallocated on my account in my hypothetical would have to be unlocked to be used at all, and therefore be better off used before i21 where that wouldn't be the case.
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Zwill said that you can choose to unlock MM and Controllers with your Paragon Reward tokens. This is INCORRECT. MM and Controllers are automatically unlocked when you have accumulated enough Paragon Reward Tokens (for existing veterans it's around 3 years). You don't even need to spend these Reward tokens to get the unlock. Of course, you can always unlock them early by buying them on the Paragon Market.
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