Here is a post consolidating the Q&A from last week.
I think this portion would help you with the question you're considering:
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Q. What happens to unclaimed Veteran reward bonuses (Tailor sessions, respecs, pets, base items) when Freedom goes live? What happens to Unused extra character slots that haven't been assigned to specific server when Freedom goes live? A. You will be able to claim all of your Veteran reward bonuses in the new system. Unused character slots will become Global Tokens that you can assign to serviers |
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I was concerned with how to explain this to one of my friends who was confused. I personally won't be dropping to Premium status (though I will regain a second account I let lapse as Premium, but will only have 4 slots on it and mostly be used for SG invites when I create short-term alts to fiddle around with).
Anyway, I think the following explanation covered it. Either that or she just gave up and nodded (figuratively speaking) to end the discussion:
- If you remain a VIP nothing changes regarding your character slots.
- If you drop to Premium all slots on all servers are locked - but no characters will be deleted (NOTE: The devs have covered this, but she's not a forumite, so I included it here) and you are given a certain number of keys, aka Global Character Slot Tokens, that you can use to unlock any slot on any server except the VIP server. It doesn't matter if that slot has a character in it or not, a Global Character Slot Token will unlock it for use.
- If you have unallocated slots they will count towards your token count but otherwise will disappear.
- If you allocate those slots before i21 then you can create characters in them now and if you choose to you could use the tokens that will be awarded for them to regain access to that slot, or to unlock a different slot on any server instead. So, since you can't use the slots on the VIP server as a Premium player, you lose absolutely nothing by using the slots now.
- Stop thinking about having 19 slots on Guardian and instead think of it as having 36 slots with 19 of them unlocked. When you drop to Premium all will be locked and you'll get 9 tokens that you can use to unlock any of those 36 slots, whether there's a character in it or not.
I think this is pretty much the same as what Arcanaville said.
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I believe the main confusion in this discussion arose from the idea of "slots on a server". The natural idea currently is that you have 16 or 19 or whatever, not 36. With Premium it's more useful to think of "unlocked slots on a server" with every server having 36 slots.
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Its not mechanically true in the current system, but its close enough to the truth that believing it to be true generates the correct results. Its close enough to make decisions around, in other words.
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Originally Posted by Kosmos
I believe the main confusion in this discussion arose from the idea of "slots on a server". The natural idea currently is that you have 16 or 19 or whatever, not 36. With Premium it's more useful to think of "unlocked slots on a server" with every server having 36 slots.
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some how this still can't be right. At this moment I have 4 global slots to use. So why will I have less then 4 global keys to use when every thing gets locked. (actually I'm not in front of comp but I've been going back and fourth over this in my mind since I'm not home).
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
In the first post of the thread.
If that wasn't clear enough for you, you can read later in the thread where Positron stole Chad Gulzow-Man's list. |
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The underlying mechanics were what were giving me trouble to begin with. That and the fact that the main person disagreeing with me also missed the Q&A Kat pointed to, so that we were both assuming unallocated server slots would still exist. I was assuming the "create" and "unlock" mechanics would be kept separate. He thought the "create" would force an "unlock". I now think it's more accurate to say that an "unlock" uses a "create" when there is nothing there to "unlock".|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Its not mechanically true in the current system, but its close enough to the truth that believing it to be true generates the correct results. Its close enough to make decisions around, in other words.
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Anyway, from an end user point of view it doesn't matter if a Global Character Slot Token used on an empty slot unlocks a blank database object that's already there or whether it first creates such an object and then unlocks it.
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I'm in front of my comp and it's 3 not 4 upgrades. But some how having 2 for being free and 2 for GR makes 4 when it switches over. Where as i have 3 free to use now. Do I add these three numbers up and still get the 1 slot per vet year?|
Originally Posted by angelo55
some how this still can't be right. At this moment I have 4 global slots to use. So why will I have less then 4 global keys to use when every thing gets locked. (actually I'm not in front of comp but I've been going back and fourth over this in my mind since I'm not home).
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I also looked over second measures first post. Is there a way of listing every game edition/perk/purchase to your account that states if it came with a slot?
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I'm not 100% sure on the GR slots. I'm hoping that we get 2 more tokens for owning GR when i21 launches and not just the 2 for the slots we got with GR. The only reasons I hold out that hope are: (a) Posi specifically mentioned 2 GR tokens rather than lumping them in with the other tokens for slots such as those from i12, and (b) my belief that the devs have bent over backwards to be generous with rewarding current subscribers so that with GR becoming free in i21 those 2 tokens mentioned are there to give those who bought it something to compensate for not getting that free addition. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Also, Kat may have assumed this in her count of slots for my hypothetical, and that's why her total was 2 more than mine. Anyway, for now let's just assume that isn't the case and that Premium players who own GR will get 2 tokens for the 2 slots that came with it and not 2 additional ones beyond that.|
Originally Posted by angelo55
I'm in front of my comp and it's 3 not 4 upgrades. But some how having 2 for being free and 2 for GR makes 4 when it switches over. Where as i have 3 free to use now. Do I add these three numbers up and still get the 1 slot per vet year?
I also looked over second measures first post. Is there a way of listing every game edition/perk/purchase to your account that states if it came with a slot? |
In that case you can just add up all your slots in excess of 12 on a server plus any slots you have yet to claim then add 2. So if you have 3 extra slots total you'd get 5 tokens. In your case that seems to be 2 free plus 2 for GR and 1 from some other source such as a VR. Here's ParagonWiki's list of character slot additions
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Ok, based on one of the examples in this thread I think it will be 2 tokens per expansion purchased. The example only mentions 2 expansions so I'm basing my deduction on that. Still I think that is accurate.|
Originally Posted by Kosmos
I'm not 100% sure on the GR slots. I'm hoping that we get 2 more tokens for owning GR when i21 launches and not just the 2 for the slots we got with GR. The only reasons I hold out that hope are: (a) Posi specifically mentioned 2 GR tokens rather than lumping them in with the other tokens for slots such as those from i12, and (b) my belief that the devs have bent over backwards to be generous with rewarding current subscribers so that with GR becoming free in i21 those 2 tokens mentioned are there to give those who bought it something to compensate for not getting that free addition. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Also, Kat may have assumed this in her count of slots for my hypothetical, and that's why her total was 2 more than mine. Anyway, for now let's just assume that isn't the case and that Premium players who own GR will get 2 tokens for the 2 slots that came with it and not 2 additional ones beyond that.
In that case you can just add up all your slots in excess of 12 on a server plus any slots you have yet to claim then add 2. So if you have 3 extra slots total you'd get 5 tokens. In your case that seems to be 2 free plus 2 for GR and 1 from some other source such as a VR. Here's ParagonWiki's list of character slot additions |
It makes sense when you think about it some of the expansions came with extra slots originally and some didn't. I expect that the simplest way to figure it was +2 tokens per expansion.
So we know of the following you should get.
* 2 tokens
* + 2 tokens per expansion
* + 1 token per year played.
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Going off of what Second Measure and Positron wrote it's just:|
Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Ok, based on one of the examples in this thread I think it will be 2 tokens per expansion purchased. The example only mentions 2 expansions so I'm basing my deduction on that. Still I think that is accurate.
It makes sense when you think about it some of the expansions came with extra slots originally and some didn't. I expect that the simplest way to figure it was +2 tokens per expansion. So we know of the following you should get. * 2 tokens * + 2 tokens per expansion * + 1 token per year played. |
- 2 tokens
- Tokens equal to the number of slots you have purchased
- 2 tokens if you own GR
- 2 tokens if you were awarded the 2 bonus slots during the i12 period
It seems like there should be more than that, but that's all I can come up with as sources of slots beyond the basic 12 per server we have now. That's simply the same as however many extra slots you have now (used or unused) plus 2.
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And that's why I want a list of every "game changing addition" that awards or doesn't award tokens. They should have added this to our account management well in advance to quell all this here say and confusion.
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Originally Posted by Kosmos
Going off of what Second Measure and Positron wrote it's just:
It seems like there should be more than that, but that's all I can come up with as sources of slots beyond the basic 12 per server we have now. That's simply the same as however many extra slots you have now (used or unused) plus 2. |
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I think a dev (Posi or Sec-M) should have looked up all the possible sources instead of just having the catch-all category at the end.|
Originally Posted by angelo55
And that's why I want a list of every "game changing addition" that awards or doesn't award tokens. They should have added this to our account management well in advance to quell all this here say and confusion.
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But I'll give the devs/reps kudos for having a real dialogue going this time instead of the marketing prepared proclamations of the recent past. Dialogue is the key to clearing up the inevitable misunderstandings that arise. And relying on informed community members such as Zombie Man or Arcanaville to clear those up is inappropriate, even if they do generally do a better job of it than the devs themselves.
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Originally Posted by angelo55
And that's why I want a list of every "game changing addition" that awards or doesn't award tokens. They should have added this to our account management well in advance to quell all this here say and confusion.
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=130
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Originally Posted by Positron
If you are not paying for your account in City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
If you are paying your subscription come City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
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Note: As it currently stands, the i12 bonus will apply only to VIP players.
And if anyone feels that Posi's last line ("Other bonuses possible") is too ambiguous, that's actually a GOOD thing, since it means there may be even MORE stuff given to the paying players.
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That link doesn't work? Thanks for trying to explain this all again but I'm with Kosmos. The devs did do right by having open dialogue on this to sift thru all the misconceptions. But as quoted Kosmos "I think a dev (Posi or Sec-M) should have looked up all the possible sources instead of just having the catch-all category at the end." |
Originally Posted by Noobian_Prince
This has been posted in a couple of places but here it is again:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=130 Extra slots were added only to owners of the two paid game expansions: City of Villains (we went from 8 slots to 12 if you bought COV and COH) and Going Rogue*. Thus there is no real need for Account Management to "track" anything. Regardless of whether you bought COV or not, for the last three years NCSoft has basically given away COV and the extra 4 slots for free. As things currently stand, no Premium players will get tokens for it. So the only thing to track is whether you bought GR. (*The sole exception to this was the i12 bonus, which was temporary.) Note: As it currently stands, the i12 bonus will apply only to VIP players. And if anyone feels that Posi's last line ("Other bonuses possible") is too ambiguous, that's actually a GOOD thing, since it means there may be even MORE stuff given to the paying players. |
This was the smart move in my opinion.
Not sure why the link doesn't work. Here are two that will work.
Posi's post as well as the rest of the thread.
Posi's post all by itself.
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May have missed this as I was reading through the pages but if we've already unlocked slots (from Vet rewards, i12 and bought slots) and assigned them to various servers, will they become movable after i21 or remain where they'd previously been assigned? I've got an number on 3 different servers without characters in the slots as I don't play on those servers anymore.
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At the moment, I am unaware of any dev statement that suggests they are contemplating allowing people to move purchased and assigned slots from one server to another in Freedom. There are some games you can play if you stop subscribing, but that's a totally different matter and not one I think that helps you.
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Originally Posted by Darkscar
May have missed this as I was reading through the pages but if we've already unlocked slots (from Vet rewards, i12 and bought slots) and assigned them to various servers, will they become movable after i21 or remain where they'd previously been assigned? I've got an number on 3 different servers without characters in the slots as I don't play on those servers anymore.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
At the moment, I am unaware of any dev statement that suggests they are contemplating allowing people to move purchased and assigned slots from one server to another in Freedom. There are some games you can play if you stop subscribing, but that's a totally different matter and not one I think that helps you.
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I'd not seen any announcements either way, that's why I was curious, as all anyone talked about was how many slots you'd have if they were all unassigned.
Thanks anyway, Arcanaville.
What if you have purchased GR but have not applied the code yet. If you apply it after freedom goes live will you get your 1 month as VIP and your 2 character slots?
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I thought I understood how this system worked, but something seems to be screwy...
I'm currently a VIP - I've not unsubscribed yet, but I'm considering it since I really don't care about Incarnate stuff. I'm a 5-year veteran with a Going Rogue pre-order who has purchased plenty of additional slots on top of that, and received at least one bonus slot for something I'm not quite sure of (possible for referring a couple of other players? I never found out.)
My servers are Virtue and Guardian, where I currently have 27 and 17 slots active respectively. In other words, whether it was through vet rewards, purchase, or whathaveyou, I have added 15 slots to Virtue and 5 to Guardian. However, my character select screen shows an incredibly worrying "Global Slots: 5". With the information I have, I expected that number to be at least equal to the number of additional slots I had unlocked previously (20 total), plus the basic two, so 22 or thereabouts.
So... since we know we keep any "extra" slots we paid for or got as rewards in the past, what am I missing? Does the character select screen only count some of the global slots - say, the five I got from vet rewards? Or is there actually something wrong with my account, and the number should be much higher?
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I agree that they have been clear, but it doesn't APPEAR that they've been correct...
I purchased Going Rogue before Freedom (I would have tons of veteran crap if my vet account wasn't actually banned in '08 ): but that's old news), plus the two that are given to you from the release of freedom.
I'm currently a VIP, but before I subscribed I dabbled in freedom..
As far as I can remember I only had two character slots.
I KNOW I bought Going Rogue before freedom, and you say we receive two innately + two from owning Going Rogue before freedom's release..
So if I do infact only seem to have two, why is this?
Also: Any chance I can have my current account updated with my super old account's veteran status?
Didn't think so ):
So, a scenario:
A player (could be anyone, really) who had a previous subscription that lapsed a while ago started playing again when Freedom launched.
They started out with some global unlocks due to having a previous account (as a hypothetical, let's say 5). They unlock some of their old characters to play a bit.
Then this person (who knows who it could be) decides to re-up as VIP for IOs, reward tokens, store points, etc. Along with those other benefits comes the 1 server transfer token per month.
At some point in the future, this person (some random mook on the street, most likely) may decide to drop back down to premium. They don't have any particular attachment to their current server, and decide to move somewhere else (not Exalted, obviously).
How do transfer tokens interact with global unlocks? If a person (name withheld by request) moves a character from server A to server B, does the unlocked character slot move with that character, or does it stay on server A?
It would be...unfortunate...to move a character only to find that you can't play it anymore because the unlocked slot stayed behind.
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My concern is mostly with some friends who can't distinguish between adding a slot to a server and unlocking a slot that is already there. Post i21 it may not be possible to do the former without doing the latter, which leads to a bit of an issue with server slots that have yet to be allocated.
My assumption was that the two would be functionally independent. I've been convinced by my friend's arguments that Global Character Slot Tokens will unlock any slot. So that the 5 unallocated on my account in my hypothetical would have to be unlocked to be used at all, and therefore be better off used before i21 where that wouldn't be the case.
Basically, if you hold them until I21, when you use them you will be adding a slot to a server, and unlocking that slot at the same time for use in Freedom. If you use them now when you use them you will be adding a slot to a server and unlocking that slot at the same time for use also. But when Freedom launches if you stop subscribing the game will then lock that slot, and then hand you a global unlock token you can use to go right back and unlock it. Why do that dance when the game could just keep the slot unlocked? Because its likely the total number of slots you have rights to under Freedom as Premium will be less than if you were a VIP subscriber. So rather than guess which ones you want, the game locks them all and hands you tokens and basically tells you to pick the ones you want yourself. Every slot you buy and allocate today will translate to one more unlock token later, so you will not lose that benefit. What you might be able to do is *reallocate* that benefit from the new slot to an old one you'd rather unlock first.
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