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As to bolded I don't agree. If it's the same reward as being a VIP, (read: PAYING) then what the hell is the difference between being a VIP and a Premium person? If a VIP account and premium account are the same, why not everyone quit being a VIP and become a premium . . . I mean, they would be the same benefit right?
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Originally Posted by Vox_Doom
That's not it at all.
Those of us who are going to go Premium (unless I get this job I just interviewed for) want to know what we're getting to keep. That's all. Some of us think we should get some sort of 'reward' from the fact we bought the retail packs. VIPs would get the same reward. Some of us believe we bought certain things with certain retail purchases. It's not whining, it's a worry that we'll have to, overall, pay twice for certain things. We know certain things are restricted, we know we're getting something for paying nothing, we'd just like to know what we're getting for the something we have paid. Mind linking to rename posts which hint at that? That's exactly what I'm looking for. Just to know if people who bought the retail box, whether they keep the sub or not, get some sort of points or reward token payback. |
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
As to bolded I don't agree. If it's the same reward as being a VIP, (read: PAYING) then what the hell is the difference between being a VIP and a Premium person? If a VIP account and premium account are the same, why not everyone quit being a VIP and become a premium . . . I mean, they would be the same benefit right?
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VIPs get everything they get now.
Premium members get lots of restrictions.
This is fine.
I just want to know if those of us who bought the game box, the retail package get a reward. No matter whether they're premium or VIP.
Understand? I'm not asking for Premium players to get the same advantages as a VIP. I'm referring to this one point about retail packs.
[url=http://vox-doom.deviantart.com]Take A Gander At This.[/url]
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If you bought any of the retail packs you keep everything in the retail pack. The devs have already said that. Several times.|
Originally Posted by Vox_Doom
That's not it at all.
Those of us who are going to go Premium (unless I get this job I just interviewed for) want to know what we're getting to keep. That's all. Some of us think we should get some sort of 'reward' from the fact we bought the retail packs. VIPs would get the same reward. Some of us believe we bought certain things with certain retail purchases. |
What has never been purchased expressly is any AT or Power Set. None of the expansions have explicitly stated that they unlocked any such. So they are free to restrict some of those to being unlocked.
Because you have clearly been a player for more than a month or two you will get some Paragon Reward Tokens. Zwilliger in this very thread has stated that you can spend some of those tokens to unlock AT's. So if you have a specific AT you want to unlock you can do so without spending extra money.
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Ok, still some confusion, I'll try and clear up some questions:
* What happens if you are Premium, assign slots, go VIP, then back to Premium?
Currently, in this scenario you will be able to reassign your slots, but ONLY on the same server you assigned them to when you were Premium.
* Is there a "reset my selections" option?
Not currently, other than the "within the same server" scenario above. This may be something we consider as a future feature if demand is high enough.
* Player makes a Free account, creates a character on Server A, finds out his friends are on Server B, is there a way to move slots?
No, but in this scenario Player has two choices: Server transfer the character(s) (making them a Premium player in the process) or simply start another Free-level account (giving them 2 slots to assign to whatever server they wish).
* Can a VIP player reassign their slots?
No.
* Does a VIP player get to reassign their slots if they dropped down to Premium (allowing them to choose what characters to play and what servers) and then goes back to VIP?
Going back to VIP in this case will revert your slot assignments to what they were when you were last VIP. Characters over 12 on a server where you did not have slots will be locked.
* What happens to characters that are NOT unlocked when I assign my slots?
They are kept around, waiting to be unlocked.
CLARIFICATION about Masterminds (and Controllers):
Zwill said that you can choose to unlock MM and Controllers with your Paragon Reward tokens. This is INCORRECT. MM and Controllers are automatically unlocked when you have accumulated enough Paragon Reward Tokens (for existing veterans it's around 3 years). You don't even need to spend these Reward tokens to get the unlock. Of course, you can always unlock them early by buying them on the Paragon Market.
Finally, I am stealing Chad Guzlow-man's list because I love it so much:
If you are not paying for your account in City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
- BASE FREE/PREMIUM ACCOUNT: 2 characters, total
- OWN GOING ROGUE BEFORE FREEDOM LAUNCH: Add 2 more characters
- PER YEAR OF PAST SUBSCRIPTION: Add 1 character per year
- PER PURCHASED CHARACTER SLOT (beyond standard 12 per server): Add 1 character per slot purchased
If you are paying your subscription come City of Heroes Freedom, this is how many characters you'll have access to:
- VIP ACCOUNT: 12 characters PER SERVER total (these are not moveable/transferrable. They are always unlocked on every server, just like today)
- OWN GOING ROGUE BEFORE FREEDOM LAUNCH: Gain 2 more character slots
- PER YEAR OF PAST SUBSCRIPTION: Add 1 character per year
- PER PURCHASED CHARACTER SLOT (beyond standard 12 per server): Add 1 character per slot purchased
- Other bonuses possible (+2 for being an i12 subscriber, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Vox_Doom
That's not it at all.
Those of us who are going to go Premium (unless I get this job I just interviewed for) want to know what we're getting to keep. That's all. |
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Some of us think we should get some sort of 'reward' from the fact we bought the retail packs. VIPs would get the same reward. Some of us believe we bought certain things with certain retail purchases. |
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You paid for all those aforementioned things with a clear understanding of what you would get.
Those boxes coupled with a monthly subscription guaranteed you the game and the add-ons.
Now that they offer a new option where you get stuff for free, you have to understand that anything they decide to give you is a freebie. They have no onus to satisfy more desire for free stuff. You got exactly what you paid for at the time, and nobody deceived you in the least about what you were buying. To claim you will be paying twice for something is a complete fabrication.
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| We know certain things are restricted, we know we're getting something for paying nothing, we'd just like to know what we're getting for the something we have paid. |
Anything the company is giving you for free is a gift. It is a kindness on their part (or a marketing trick if you want to see it that way). Looking askance on free stuff is plain whiny.
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I know that, my question was directed towards getting a redname answer on whether or not those people who bought a retail copy get something in return. Like a few points or something. I bought CoH ages ago, no special edition, just the regular version. I want to know if that's worth something extra in Freedom.|
Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
If you bought any of the retail packs you keep everything in the retail pack. The devs have already said that. Several times.
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| What has never been purchased expressly is any AT or Power Set. None of the expansions have explicitly stated that they unlocked any such. So they are free to restrict some of those to being unlocked. |
But I'm not interested in that argument anyway, I'll be a vet who can unlock the ATs through that system.
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Because you have clearly been a player for more than a month or two you will get some Paragon Reward Tokens. Zwilliger in this very thread has stated that you can spend some of those tokens to unlock AT's. So if you have a specific AT you want to unlock you can do so without spending extra money. It is somewhere in that massive thread up in the announcement forum. And now I'm not going back through 2000+ posts looking for it. If you don't take my word for it that is fine, but it was mentioned that huge thread. ::shrug:: |
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Okay, stop, you're speaking for the rednames when you don't actually have any right to, these are just your opinions based on how you believe it should work.|
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Yes, you bought the right to play the game as is. If the COH:Freedom announcement had never happened, would you be complaining that when your subscription lapsed, you would be cut off? (hint, any answer but 'no' would be a lie).
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Complete and utter hogwash. I mean this involved some pretty damned dirty hogs at that. You paid for all those aforementioned things with a clear understanding of what you would get. Those boxes coupled with a monthly subscription guaranteed you the game and the add-ons. Now that they offer a new option where you get stuff for free, you have to understand that anything they decide to give you is a freebie. They have no onus to satisfy more desire for free stuff. You got exactly what you paid for at the time, and nobody deceived you in the least about what you were buying. To claim you will be paying twice for something is a complete fabrication. |
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| You already got what you paid for just as much as someone who quit before COH:Freedom got what they paid for and stopped getting access when they stopped subscribing. Your inability to comprehend the idea that the game existed on a subscription model (and still will), and purchases in that context are relevant only to that model means you are showing entitlement mentality. |
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| Anything the company is giving you for free is a gift. It is a kindness on their part (or a marketing trick if you want to see it that way). Looking askance on free stuff is plain whiny. |
The sub used to count for access to the game, now it counts for lots of extra goodies since they made access to the game free. Those of us without a sub get to access the game and do without the extra goodies a VIP gets unless we buy them.
We just want to know what we've bought.
But keep on with the entitlement fallacy, it's great fun to read.
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I only play one char on one server and its a peacebringer. I been playing on and off since SEP 07 so I just hope I have enough points or what have you to be able to play that one char if I drop to premium.
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
It takes an entitlement mentality to complain about free stuff.
Again- "Here's your free BMW." "But it's a one series, and says your company's name on on the side. I want a three series, this sucks!" |
Free is only free when you didn't pay anything for it.
There are 3 kinds of people in this world
The kind that makes things happen
The kind that watch things happen
And then there are those of us who keep asking "WTH just happened!"
Is the pricing for slots and server transfers on the paragon market going to change?
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Ok, still some confusion, I'll try and clear up some questions:
Currently, in this scenario you will be able to reassign your slots, but ONLY on the same server you assigned them to when you were Premium. |
*A free player starts playing and, through sheer lack of will, ends up buying 34 slots on a single slot 'cause they just happen to have an inexplicable love for Virtue.. (I guess this could apply to other servers, too.)
* They then decide they want to upgrade the game to Pro.. er.. to VIP so they can tell the world how much they love this free to play game. And never once complain about any changes made to the game. (I did say this was a hypothetical situation right?)
Normally, that would give them access to ten extra slots on that server, right? But that'd put them past thirty six, meaning they wouldn't actually see an increase on that one, single server at all?
Or would they get a 'spillover' set of tokens in order to use on other servers?
Or do their server slots translate back into points somehow?
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding something.. I mean, I haven't figured out why someone would do that, but it should be theoretically possible right?
Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
J/ Wilde/ / AIL - Celebrating five years!
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Originally Posted by Vox_Doom
Okay, stop, you're speaking for the rednames when you don't actually have any right to, these are just your opinions based on how you believe it should work.
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Though what I stated above is fact. Are you going to claim that had COH:Freedom never happened, you would have had a right to play any characters of any AT on any server at all without paying a subscription fee?
That's pretty clearly a fact. There's no opinion involved there. I only have to go back a week or so to prove this. The history is pretty damned clear.
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| Except they've already stated that anything you paid for, you will keep a a Premium player. Your rather harsh mindset isn't shared by the devs. Good thing to or people would stop giving them money full stop instead of using the store to buy more things. |
Though I'll say right now, catering to people who complain about how much free stuff they will get in the future is not a way to build a business plan.
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| Nothing you just said is of any relevance. The devs have said that if you bought something, you keep it. So all those boosters I got are going to be available to me as a Premium player, as such, I would like to know what other things I paid for will be available to me. |
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Them offering you anything for free is a gift.
Let me ask you this, since you've already given the background:
As of last week you knew you would be cancelling your subscription. You knew you would have ZERO access to the game or anything you had already paid for. Were you complaining then? Did you feel you were being denied something you had paid for?
I content that if you can answer that question honestly, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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| The sub used to count for access to the game, now it counts for lots of extra goodies since they made access to the game free. Those of us without a sub get to access the game and do without the extra goodies a VIP gets unless we buy them. |
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So basicly...I get 2 slots + the age of my first born - the the slots I bought + the number of my house x the number of girlfriends the Posi has had - the toonz that I realy like + the square root of 48 = the number of slots ill recieve?....ummm ok I guess......eashhh
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Originally Posted by CORE_NA
"Here is your BMW that you've already paid for. Since you have bought it we decided everyone else can have one for free, but went ahead and removed the seats ,shifter and gas pedal unless you continue paying. We also have some upgrades to your BMW that came stock with yours when you bought it. If you wish to keep using the turbo you need to buy it as we had it removed."
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You leased a BMW 330. You stopped paying your lease. You no longer get the BMW 330. (what a shock) Mind you, you never actually bought the car. If you had the manufacturer apply upgrades, that was nice while you drove it.
However the company offers as a marketing ploy some BMW 1 series cars for free. They are nowhere near as nice as your 330. They aren't as fast, nor as roomy. They also have an ad on the side. To be nice to prior lease holders, they have decided to include some of the options you had on your old lease model.
You leased COH. You never bought it. The minute you stopped paying your lease in the past, it went away immediately. It didn't matter if you bought every single bonus pack, expansion, and available slot on every server. If you stopped paying your subscription, it went poof.
Your inability to grasp the fact that nothing changed in the context of last week to this week other than a gift being offered is pure whining.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
They understand that there will be limitations to a Premium subscription--but not getting to play a Controller in seven years was not on the original CoH box.
They're confused and concerned, and asking questions. The very least we can do is be respectful of their questions. You're bringing the community down, man. |
Why do people keep repeating this like it's a fact? The boxes said, "Subscription required" right?
That means, "If you quit after seven years, you won't be able to play. At all."
That means you wouldn't be able to play a controller you controlled seven years (or twenty or any number of years) after you stopped subscribing.
To me, that's the annoying part; it implies you were somehow promised if the game added a free to play subscription seven years later, you'd get full and equal access to all of the AT's you'd unlocked.
Which you still do.. as long as you keep up your subscription (like before). You just have other options now, the worst of which are partial access.
Of course, the previous Dev and community rep posts, seem to have ruled this a moot point, stating someone that's been around 7 years is pretty much guaranteed to have already unlocked the AT's.
Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
J/ Wilde/ / AIL - Celebrating five years!
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Originally Posted by Star_born
So basicly...I get 2 slots + the age of my first born - the the slots I bought + the number of my house x the number of girlfriends the Posi has had - the toonz that I realy like + the square root of 48 = the number of slots ill recieve?....ummm ok I guess......eashhh
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Your scenario is possible, but you need to adjust how you classify those 10 'additional' slots. when you go to VIP. They are not 10 "additional" slots. The base number of slots on every server is adjusted. In your scenario, the player would get no additional slots on Virtue because you can not exceed 36. There would no "spillover" to other servers, because the upgrade does not give you 'additional' slots; it adjusts the base number of slots per server.
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Originally Posted by joshdex
A really weird scenario entered my mind.
*A free player starts playing and, through sheer lack of will, ends up buying 34 slots on a single slot 'cause they just happen to have an inexplicable love for Virtue.. (I guess this could apply to other servers, too.) * They then decide they want to upgrade the game to Pro.. er.. to VIP so they can tell the world how much they love this free to play game. And never once complain about any changes made to the game. (I did say this was a hypothetical situation right?) Normally, that would give them access to ten extra slots on that server, right? But that'd put them past thirty six, meaning they wouldn't actually see an increase on that one, single server at all? Or would they get a 'spillover' set of tokens in order to use on other servers? Or do their server slots translate back into points somehow? Unless I'm totally misunderstanding something.. I mean, I haven't figured out why someone would do that, but it should be theoretically possible right? |
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What I'm saying is that people are having a hard time understanding the Premium Player presentation. It goes without saying that this, largely, doesn't apply to any of us on the boards because we're all, currently, VIP Players. If you would like to debate the intelligence of people who are confused by Freedom, you are welcome to do so--just read this thread.
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Originally Posted by joshdex
Why do people keep repeating this like it's a fact? The boxes said, "Subscription required" right?
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Whats to not understand? Don't pay the subscription fee and you don't get full access to the game. Seems very simple.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
What I'm saying is that people are having a hard time understanding the Premium Player presentation. It goes without saying that this, largely, doesn't apply to any of us on the boards because we're all, currently, VIP Players. If you would like to debate the intelligence of people who are confused by Freedom, you are welcome to do so--just read this thread.
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And because they are nice if you want you can pay to gain some of that access back.
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Originally Posted by CORE_NA
Just so I follow. I've played CoH for umpteen years. Of which I have MM's that I play and love. (Ignoring points I get for free with this new model)Now if I choose to lapse my sub I loose access to my MM's that I've played for years until I choose to pay for it?
If that statement is true I find it to be very very messed up. |
You are currently paying a subscription fee and have access to MM's.
If you continue paying, you will continue to have access to MM's.
If you let your sub lapse today, you get NOTHING! No MM's or any AT, so the new system is an improvement.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE!
If you *CHOOSE* to stop paying, then you may or may not have access to MM's. But that's YOUR CHOICE. The way it is now, if you stop paying, you get NOTHING. So this is an improvement and all the whining and sense of entitlement is really silly. You're paying now to have MM's. If you keep paying, you keep your MM's. If you stop paying, you get whatever they feel like giving you for free. Deal.
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Let me try a slightly different example.
Mike and Bob both save their money and buy a retail box of City of Villains. Bob plays a Brute, Mike a Mastermind. They have a blast playing together and leveling up until the company they both work for goes belly up (Poor Bob and Mike). Bob and Mike can't play anymore. Paragon comes along later and says "That's cool. Ya'll can both come back for free. Plus when you can pay you can have even more fun!" Awesome of Paragon!! Bob logs in uses his Global Slot and unlocks his Brute. Smiling Bob is BACK! Bob tells Mike and Mike is now excited to play. Mike logs in, but his MM won't unlock..? He has to use points and then his Global Slot to play is toon. Bob is smiling, and is off to look for his Enzyte costume pack. Mike is still happy to play, but he wants some Enzyte too. 
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The kind that makes things happen
The kind that watch things happen
And then there are those of us who keep asking "WTH just happened!"
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Whats to not understand?
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How can you even say that?
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While many players are easily understanding the exact details of our shift to Freedom and how it will impact them as either a VIP player or a Premium player, we completely understand that for many the details aren't making themselves clear at the same rate.
We're going to continue providing avenues for everyone to ask their questions, both current subscribers (here on the forums and on Facebook) and lapsed (on Facebook during Freedom Fridays) and will answer each one to the best of our ability.
The only thing to keep in mind is that some of the details are still be discussed internally, and some of the things that we're confident of may change, based on our evaluation of Community feedback and other factors. No matter what the case is, we're going to keep talking to you all and helping to convey the confidence and excitement that we all at Paragon have in City of Heroes Freedom.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
I spent a lot of my grade school and high school years volunteering with disabled kids and adults. You may have found my word choice culturally offensive. It was. It was meant to be, as I find posts of that sentiment (which I was quoting) on these boards offensive. In my personal experience, however, the alternative word you substituted is more contextually offensive to me. I am editing my post to reflect that I did not say the word that you have placed in my mouth.
At the very least, you could have stamped that you had edited my post.
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Again-
"Here's your free BMW."
"But it's a one series, and says your company's name on on the side. I want a three series, this sucks!"
Complaining about free stuff requires an entitlement mentality.
Oh how about we use some quotes of yours to demonstrate?
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