DC Relaunching Everything in the Fall?

Durakken · 07-20-2011 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

-Bruce Wayne died with his mother in that alley as a child and his father is the current Batman.

No. In the Flashpoint Timeline Bruce Wayne died, but both his parents survived. His father became Batman and his mother became the Joker.

Johnny_Butane · 07-21-2011 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Durakken

No. In the Flashpoint Timeline Bruce Wayne died, but both his parents survived. His father became Batman and his mother became the Joker.

You can see exactly how much I care about this event.

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Dark One · 07-21-2011 07:49 PM

The Daily What - Geeks had some preview pages of Superman #1 (I die a little inside every time I think of it as being a #1) up.

Words fail me on just much of a fail it is. Both in Clark's wimpiness and Lois'...well...I don't know what to call it. They showed her "boyfriend". Some blonde surfer/model/whatever d-bag. Really...it was like watching the early years of Smallville when Clark was mooning over Lana.

Nylonus · 07-21-2011 08:42 PM

Here a look that the Hollywood Reporter got of Aquaman #1

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sit...n1_pg4_a_p.jpg

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sit...n1_pg2_a_p.jpg

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sit...n1_pg3_a_p.jpg

Hollywood Reporter Comic-Con Coverage

Samothrake · 07-21-2011 10:26 PM

You know Aquaman's weapon looks rather neat, but I hesitate to call it a trident. After all any weapon like that with more than three tines is properly called a fork...

Optimus_Dex · 07-22-2011 04:30 PM

Ok , that actually makes Aquaman look better.

Veritech · 07-22-2011 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark One

The Daily What - Geeks had some preview pages of Superman #1 (I die a little inside every time I think of it as being a #1) up.

Words fail me on just much of a fail it is. Both in Clark's wimpiness and Lois'...well...I don't know what to call it. They showed her "boyfriend". Some blonde surfer/model/whatever d-bag. Really...it was like watching the early years of Smallville when Clark was mooning over Lana.

*sigh* i want to punch Grant Morrison in the face, repeatedly.

Nemo_Utopian · 07-23-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Veritech

*sigh* i want to punch Grant Morrison in the face, repeatedly.

Except Grant is writing action comics,not Superman.

I am planning on getting and enjoying Action Comics. That is more then I can say regarding the vast majority of the DC relaunch.

As far as I am concerned DC is going to a pure Elsworlds line of comics by their ad hoc semi-abandonment of current continuity. A few look interesting,most do not. Meanwhile comics like Secret Six that I was enjoying are going bye-bye.

I am anticipating saving a lot of money,and missing a lot of comics.

Veritech · 07-23-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemo_Utopian

Except Grant is writing action comics,not Superman.

I am planning on getting and enjoying Action Comics. That is more then I can say regarding the vast majority of the DC relaunch.

And Action Comics is the title concerned with rewriting Superman's origin story while Superman focuses on the here and now. So i maintain my previous comment about wanting to hit Grant Morrison.

Furio · 07-23-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Samothrake

You know Aquaman's weapon looks rather neat, but I hesitate to call it a trident. After all any weapon like that with more than three tines is properly called a fork...

5 tines...does that make it a pendEnt?

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Samothrake · 07-25-2011 10:33 AM

Posting this from another board. I want to get more discussion.

From the DCnU panel at SDCC

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Didio then allowed the two “Flash” co-writers to give away the new rogues gallery, starting with a new villain called Mob Rule. Manapul said they will reveal the rogues gallery slowly, explaining that they will be tied into Central and Keystone City.

On the villains side, Simone said the first issues introduce a villain named Felix who is “what happens when nuclear power goes wrong,” said Simone.

Asking about "Flash" continuity, the next fan asked if Iris is dead.
“Iris is alive,” confirmed Manapul, saying that in the comic Barry Allen and Iris went out in the past but it never progressed and he is currently single.
Didio then told the audience there are no more big events planned for the foreseeable future and the crowd wildly applauded.

A female fan told Didio that she counted and out of the twenty-eight solo character titles only six were women and only two were not’t connected to older male superheroes. “How do you justify calling that diversity?” the fan asked as the audience cheered. Didio told her it was an industry problem and then dodged the question, calling on the next fan.

Great, another marriage down the tubes because writers today don’t know how to write a married couple.
Next up: Wally is still a teen! (Kid Flash isn't Bart, ya know!), which means that another 'comfortable' marriage is gone. Jay miiiight just get a reprieve from the vanishing marriage scenario because he so old.
And if Barry hasn't married Iris, then Bart can't around at all! No marriage means children and therefore no grand-children.

Ralph and Sue Dibney? Dating, but not exclusively.
Hawkman and Hawkwoman are no longer romantically connected. In fact, they cannot stand to be near each other.
Aquaman and Mera are ‘just friends.’
Green Arrow and Black Canary have only ever made eye contact over the Justice League round table.
Adam Strange is just starting his adventures, and therefore hasn’t met the love of his life.
Big Barda and Scott Free are kissin’ cousins.
Kent Nelson divorced Inza over ‘irreconcilable differences” (she thought he spent too much time with Fate’s Helmet) years ago, and they no longer speak.
Jor-El’s wife Lara died in childbirth due to complications of the rapidly changing energies spurting from the core of Krypton. Jor-el sent Kal-El to earth not to save him, but because he couldn’t bear to raise the child without his love.
The Kent marriage was falling apart form the stresses of raising an alien when Johnathan died of a heart attack. Martha wasted away over the next year and finally died in her sleep.
Red Tornado, not being human, had his marriage license revoked by the state.
Rex Mason/Metamorpho was declared dead and his former wife Sapphire married another man. They are still in legal battles over which marriage is valid.

About the only hero we know of who still has a wife and family is Buddy Baker Animal Man, and that’s only because somebody figured out a way tell a story involving his daughter.

CaptainFoamerang · 07-25-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Samothrake

Posting this from another board. I want to get more discussion.

From the DCnU panel at SDCC

Great, another marriage down the tubes because writers today dont know how to write a married couple.
Next up: Wally is still a teen! (Kid Flash isn't Bart, ya know!), which means that another 'comfortable' marriage is gone. Jay miiiight just get a reprieve from the vanishing marriage scenario because he so old.
And if Barry hasn't married Iris, then Bart can't around at all! No marriage means children and therefore no grand-children.

Ralph and Sue Dibney? Dating, but not exclusively.
Hawkman and Hawkwoman are no longer romantically connected. In fact, they cannot stand to be near each other.
Aquaman and Mera are just friends.
Green Arrow and Black Canary have only ever made eye contact over the Justice League round table.
Adam Strange is just starting his adventures, and therefore hasnt met the love of his life.
Big Barda and Scott Free are kissin cousins.
Kent Nelson divorced Inza over irrectoncilable differences (she thought he spent too much time with Fates Helmet) years ago, and they no longer speak.
Jor-Els wife Lara died in childbirth due to complications of the rapidly changing energies spurting from the core of Krypton. Jor-el sent Kal-El to earth not to save him, but because he couldnt bear to raise the child without his love.
The Kent marriage was falling apart form the stresses of raising an alien when Johnathan died of a heart attack. Martha wasted away over the next year and finally died in her sleep.
Red Tornado, not being human, had his marriage license revoked by the state.
Rex Mason/Metamorpho was declared dead and his former wife Sapphire married another man. They are still in legal battles over which marriage is valid.

About the only hero we know of who still has a wife and family is Buddy Baker Animal Man, and thats only because somebody figured out a way tell a story involving his daughter.

You're uh, you're making this up, right?

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Samothrake · 07-25-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang

You're uh, you're making this up, right?

Well, yes.
Everything after "Next up:" is pure speculation and me being rather pessimistic about the whole situation. However, at the rate things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% or more of what's there is actually true.

But Animal Man is still married. But he's the only one we know that is!

Durakken · 07-25-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Samothrake

Posting this from another board. I want to get more discussion.

From the DCnU panel at SDCC

Great, another marriage down the tubes because writers today dont know how to write a married couple.
Next up: Wally is still a teen! (Kid Flash isn't Bart, ya know!), which means that another 'comfortable' marriage is gone. Jay miiiight just get a reprieve from the vanishing marriage scenario because he so old.
And if Barry hasn't married Iris, then Bart can't around at all! No marriage means children and therefore no grand-children.

Ralph and Sue Dibney? Dating, but not exclusively.
Hawkman and Hawkwoman are no longer romantically connected. In fact, they cannot stand to be near each other.
Aquaman and Mera are just friends.
Green Arrow and Black Canary have only ever made eye contact over the Justice League round table.
Adam Strange is just starting his adventures, and therefore hasnt met the love of his life.
Big Barda and Scott Free are kissin cousins.
Kent Nelson divorced Inza over irrectoncilable differences (she thought he spent too much time with Fates Helmet) years ago, and they no longer speak.
Jor-Els wife Lara died in childbirth due to complications of the rapidly changing energies spurting from the core of Krypton. Jor-el sent Kal-El to earth not to save him, but because he couldnt bear to raise the child without his love.
The Kent marriage was falling apart form the stresses of raising an alien when Johnathan died of a heart attack. Martha wasted away over the next year and finally died in her sleep.
Red Tornado, not being human, had his marriage license revoked by the state.
Rex Mason/Metamorpho was declared dead and his former wife Sapphire married another man. They are still in legal battles over which marriage is valid.

About the only hero we know of who still has a wife and family is Buddy Baker Animal Man, and thats only because somebody figured out a way tell a story involving his daughter.

So the Star Sapphires don't exist because Hawkman and Hawkwoman(girl) are the core of the Star Sapphire power and also it seems DC people have a thing against love... kinda explains why Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown has lost their books

Dark One · 07-25-2011 03:09 PM

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Didio then told the audience there are no more big events planned for the foreseeable future and the crowd wildly applauded.

Except for the one that'll be used to reboot this reboot.

Then the one after that.

But other than that, ya, no more big events planned...

/sarcasm

Dr_Illuminatis · 07-26-2011 09:26 AM

I love how DC promotes ethnic heroes, Sexual orientation, and all but seems to have a problem with 2 people who are straight and married to each other and in a dedicated relationship. Marvel too for that matter but at least we still have Reed and Sue. (Had to be that specific before all the Apollo and Midnighter fans troll lol)

RemusShepherd · 07-26-2011 10:04 AM

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I love how DC promotes ethnic heroes, Sexual orientation, and all but seems to have a problem with 2 people who are straight and married to each other and in a dedicated relationship. Marvel too for that matter but at least we still have Reed and Sue.

Reed and Sue are an *awful* couple. Sue has had at least two affairs, and Reed is a total dick. They should have divorced long ago, and someone big and green should have thrown Reed into the sun.

The superhero genre, in general, does not do steady relationships very well. Maybe monogamy just doesn't ring true in worlds with oversexualized costumes and infinite possibilities.

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Durakken · 07-26-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Samothrake

Ralph and Sue Dibney? Dating, but not exclusively.

And alive...thus retconning Identity crisis which is one book they said they weren't going to retcon...

Ms. Mesmer · 07-26-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Durakken

And alive...thus retconning Identity crisis which is one book they said they weren't going to retcon...

Perhaps you missed where he said this:

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Originally Posted by Samothrake

Well, yes.
Everything after "Next up:" is pure speculation and me being rather pessimistic about the whole situation. However, at the rate things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% or more of what's there is actually true.

Or maybe the lack of a link to the claims.

Personally, I wish they would ditch Identity Crisis. It was a lame story that used the host of God's Vengeance as a McGuffin, among other writing problems. Does anyone really think Hal wanted Ollie to "get" Jean Loring for killing Sue? Catch her, sure, but get vengeance on her, as the conversation implies? He was friends with her, too.

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BrandX · 07-26-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd

Reed and Sue are an *awful* couple. Sue has had at least two affairs, and Reed is a total dick. They should have divorced long ago, and someone big and green should have thrown Reed into the sun.

The superhero genre, in general, does not do steady relationships very well. Maybe monogamy just doesn't ring true in worlds with oversexualized costumes and infinite possibilities.

More like Comic Books are a soap opera, and steady relationships don't work in soap operas for the main characters, and usually the background characters.

Also writers in these type of stories (soap operas) like the come in and make changes, putting their mark on it. Likely in my guess to make some big change they think people will love and thusly put their name on the map.

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Psyguard · 07-28-2011 07:14 AM

I don't have a huge problem with Superman's marriage vanishing, I mean they are pretty much restarting the whole story so I can kind of accept that he's not married yet.

I don't like it but I can accept it.

At least they didn't do it the way Marvel snuffed Spider-Man's marriage.

Thunder Knight · 07-28-2011 07:51 AM

I just don't like that they're presenting going back to the Superman/Lois/Clark love triangle status quo of the 1960s as being a "bold new direction" for Superman. (Jim Lee's words, not mine)

Mostly, though, I just wish that Captain Marvel (a character who has been so terribly mishandled for the past five or six years that he would have benefited more from a clean slate than from attempting to fix him) had been one of the 52.

BrandX · 07-28-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyguard

I don't have a huge problem with Superman's marriage vanishing, I mean they are pretty much restarting the whole story so I can kind of accept that he's not married yet.

I don't like it but I can accept it.

At least they didn't do it the way Marvel snuffed Spider-Man's marriage.

I don't know. They both lost their marriages to a reboot. Spidey's was just a smaller reboot.

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Samothrake · 07-28-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandX

I don't know. They both lost their marriages to a reboot. Spidey's was just a smaller reboot.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

However, Spiderman's “little” reboot still affected almost the entirety of the 616 universe.

On DC’s end, a universe wide ‘softboot’ has affected Clark and Lois’s marriage. As in it hasn’t happened, yet.

Yet the two are still similar. With Spiderman, a pigeon changed how Spiderman’s history unfolded. And in doing so, because Spidey is connected to the other heroes and events, it changed the events of the whole universe.

In Flashpoint, whatever Barry does to ‘fix’ the universe has things playing out differently, in what seems to be a shorter timeline, and with some very different history in places.

I begin to think that we should just take this whole softboot as a whole new beginning. No old stories happened unless we are told they did. And while that would probably make the guys at DC very happy, I still mourn the loss of stories that I rather like and the development of characters that I have followed for a long time (sometimes decades).

What I really wish would happen is that DC would publish a “History of the DCnU”. One issue would be enough. Hell, even an article or two on their web site would work. But I get the feeling that they don’t want to do that because they would then be ‘tied’ to that history. And they don’t want to be tied to anything right now.

Durakken · 07-28-2011 02:26 PM

As of current the best things in comics is...

Ultimate comics
Batfamily books
GL books

And currently Marvel has decided to re-re-restart Ultimate again stupidly
The Bat-family are being torn to shreds
The GL books are being more or less worthless

I think both Marvel and DC are complete idiots at this point, but whatever.

What DC should do is wipe the slate completely clean and create a DC Ultimate universe and keep the current DC comics.

You say some of the DC comics aren't selling well....well get rid of them. You don't need to sell 50 comics where 25 of them aren't selling well Sell 25 test stuff with the other 25.