Incarnate rewards based on participation?

I just want to add my 2 inf to the discussion. I did baf 3 times. One attempt I put everything I had into doing as much aoe damage as possible on my scrapper. I got a rare, second attempt I wasnt able to do much aoe due to dieing alot because our tanks sucked at the time. I got uncommon on that run. 3rd run we had better tanks and controllers so I was able to get alot of damage in. I got a rare this run. So now I have all the new stuff to tier 3 and a tier 4 only on the alpha. It looks as if I am gonna have to get like retardedly lucky to get this done.

Here is a post I made on the subject in a different thread.

To add to that I have also started working on my Rad/Pistols defender who has tons of AoE effects (debuffs, mezzes, damage, buffs/heals). My luck has been very good. Mostly uncommons and 2 rares. I have Judgment unlocked and slotted with a tier 3 and Interface is almost unlocked. I have run about 8 trials.

My Emp/Elec/Power has run 5 trials. 2 common, 2 uncommon, 1 rare so far. Not sure how I'd rate my participation yet on that character.

I have run about 60 successful Trials with Amerikatt (non-shapeshifting Peacebringer), and the best I have gotten have been Rares. My experience has been mostly Uncommon rewards, with Commons actually being offered significantly less than the Uncommons.

I have had to burn through most of my Threads in order to make the 2 Tier 3 Destiny enhancers I need for that Tier 4 (if I *ever* get a shot at Living Relic) and a Tier 3 for both Judgment and Lore. I have enough to make a Tier 3 Interface (if I decide to take the Gravitic line) and even have enough material to *make* the Living Relic Very Rare if 400 MILLION Influence magically becomes available (but would I *really* spend it if I could?).

All my reward success has been running in BAF. For my four successful Lambdas? 10 Threads -- EVERY time!

I have been on the verge of tears several times now. The Tier 4 Destiny means a lot to Amerikatt, as I have been waiting YEARS to get an AoE Heal.

Although I do not usually use pets, I decided to field test my Tier 3 Seers, and I had a nagging feeling that they actually detracted from my reward at the end of the Trial. Thank-you, Master Zaprobo for reinforcing my suspicion!

Looks like the Seers will not be coming out during the Trials anymore. I only hope that I will still be considered a Level 50+3.

I also have to wonder if my numerous disconnections and frequent visits to the hospital make the AI think that I am a new participant or a (*shudder*) leecher, because I would think that 60 (of 80) successful runs would have yielded at least one shot at the Very Rare table by now.


EDIT: By the Blessing of The Great Cat Mother, I *just* got my Living Relic! I now have the AoE heal that I have been dreaming of for years! RAWR! ((It only took me 83 Trials! *sigh*))

I hope we're able to figure out what affects the rewards sooner rather than later. I've done 10 runs on one of my Dominators, and have gotten 10 uncommons. Not a single common ,rare, etc. Uncommons every time. I get uncommons most of the time, on most of my toons. I've started paying attention to who's getting rares. It's too early to draw any conclusions but mostly I'm seeing Scrappers and Blasters getting them. I've been working mostly Corruptors through the trials, and although I'm doing my best to apply as much damage as possible, I'm still getting uncommons almost exclusively.

Keeping in mind the possibility that there's some kind of "participation" score involved, I've been buffing and debuffing as much as possible, even when it serves no purpose. So far there hasn't been any noticeable change in my reward tables. I hope the answer isn't "play something with more damage."

Well just ancedotal but I figured I would try running a trial or two with my fire/kin troller.

Mind you this troller was not even alpha slotted so I had that working against me.

First run - Rare table
Second run - common table (spent a lot of time dead because we went for Keep Em Separated with the towers up)

Compared to my SS/Nrg Brute who has gotten commons and uncommons.

And yes I was assisting with leading this time as I was doing on my brute.

I haven't done any calculations as frankly I don't have that much time available to invest into it.

I can say that I have played my signature EN/EN blaster on enough runs to get teir 3's on all four slots. I have only ever gotten one Very Rare component on him.

He is built for being able to constantly fire an attack without ever having to run out of endurance unless he uses Nova.

So, I am always shooting something.. always.

Now...
My IL/Rad controller who only has three fast recharging attacks , near perma PA and the phantasm has run the trials four times so far.
2 uncommon
2 Very Rare

Now I *am* using the two rad debuffs constantly and firing off the regen debuffers as often as they recharge to. So something is always glowing green out there. But they are pretty much fire and forget for most of the fights.

Does this help or hinder those who are formulating conclusions?

I really wish I could transfer this to my main but alas we can not haha.

Just thought those forming conclusions might want to hear about this.

I earned a Very Rare reward table today after a successful BAF. I'm using the same character as always, Dark/Sonic Def, and this is the 2nd VR reward table I've seen.

I've run the trials a combined 20-25 times but that's just a guess.

On a test run, I trying interrupting rest as many times as I could. Result: Very Rare.

I believe it tracks participation by power activation. Testing still needs to be done, but try interrupting rest or a snipe as many times as you can and see what you get.

I tried repeatedly toggling Sprint on and off, and also bubbling the entire league all fight long, (and spamming pet commands, like as fast as I could hit the keybind) for the full duration of more than one baf, didn't seem to impact my mediocre-to-average rewards. There's another game I play that uses power activations as its metric (regardless of what the power does - and yes it was abused), but my experience is saying either CoH isn't using that system, or it's using a more complex version of it.

My MM actually gets roughly what I'd expect if it were truly random - so far 53.33% Commons, 33.33% Uncommons, and 13.33% Rare (No V.Rare yet, but "only" 15 runs so far).

It's just that the other alts I've run get nearer 5% Commons, 15-20% Rare, 5-10% V.Rare, and the other 65-75% Uncommon (and while Uncommon isn't valuable in itself after the first 8, it does suggest a higher chance of scoring Rare and V.Rare).


I'm tempted to try door sitting with a pet targeted and an FF buff on auto, see if I get the 10 threads or whether it thinks I'm participating and gives me a Common/Uncommon. Just don't know enough people to do that without getting a bad name for myself