If you like Speed Boost so much why don't you marry it?
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Posted on: 2010-12-17 02:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I already do that. Kicking them every 5 seconds gets an SB out of them than "SB PLZ" does....
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I've found kicking the Kin usually works better.
EDIT: I mean kicking as in physical violence, not as in kicking from the team - that'd just be silly  |
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You know, call me crazy but it seems like there's just something...off...about this picture. I think it may have been Photoshopped.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
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Yeah - the strips on the veil should be casting more shadows on her shoulders.
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Originally Posted by sleestack
You know, call me crazy but it seems like there's just something...off...about this picture. I think it may have been Photoshopped.
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Yeah, and look at the bench she's sitting on. It only has 2 legs!
Her legs are supporting the other side
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THERE ARE FOUR LEGS!|
Originally Posted by sleestack
Yeah, and look at the bench she's sitting on. It only has 2 legs!
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When I play my kinetics, I always Speed Boost everyone who wants it. I think it is part of being a supportive group player.
Rather than harangue at your fellow players, I suggest that we should be recommending to the Developers that they lengthen the time. Other powers like Force Fields and Sonics have much longer durations why couldn't Speed Boost?
The Developers always claim they want to make the game fun, I can not see how Speed Boost with it current short duration makes the game fun for either the Kinetic or the people who play with him and would like its benefits.
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To play devil's advocate: How would a longer duration make the game more fun for those that don't like or want the buff?
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Originally Posted by Bjork_NA
The Developers always claim they want to make the game fun, I can not see how Speed Boost with it current short duration makes the game fun for either the Kinetic or the people who play with him and would like its benefits.
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If only more kins were like you.|
Originally Posted by Chuckers
My Kin characters have a tray dedicated to SB. I created macros SB1- SB8 that select a teammate and give speed boost.
At the start of a team, I ask who doesn't want SB. I move those macro buttons representing their positions in the team window (and my own) to the right side of the tray (starting at slot zero and working backwards.) The ones who want it, start in slot 1 and work forwards. The tank(s) get the first slots. I then apply SB by double clicking the macro (since 1 click won't do it) starting in slot 1 to the empty slot. Using Herostats, I can tell when the buff is about to end, and re-apply. Since I have 2 recharges in SB, it takes a few seconds to apply all the buffs. If someone isn't close enough to me, they miss that round. If I am heavily engaged in fighting or surviving, oh well, I'll do it when I am free. I've really only had one person bug me for SB, he was my best friend.. and I no long play with him. No one else has complained. |
SB PLZ
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Originally Posted by Roderick
To play devil's advocate: How would a longer duration make the game more fun for those that don't like or want the buff?
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I think they should try to make a system through which powers can be flagged as cancelable, apply flag to the buffbot powers, and increase their duration.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
I never could marry speed boost since it would cheat on me so.
Any power that gives me +Rech so I can attack more often AND gives me +Run so I never have to turn on SS is so good. Oh how I love SB so but sadly it is not to be.....
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I am actually more tolerant of SB than I used to be, although I still hate being SBed in caves with the firey intensity of a dozen supernova-ing suns.| Bjork: The Developers always claim they want to make the game fun, I can not see how Speed Boost with it current short duration makes the game fun for either the Kinetic or the people who play with him and would like its benefits. |
But even so, you get SB duration lengthened when the rest of us have the option to dismiss.
I ask those who don't want SB to let me know at the start, and I skip them. Everyone's happy.
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Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Ardrea
I ask those who don't want SB to let me know at the start, and I skip them. Everyone's happy.
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i'm pretty sure i see 5 legs...
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
THERE ARE FOUR LEGS!
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
No, those are two symbols of ultimate good.
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oh, and to try something different, ill post on topic. fulcrum shift is really really good when you get a crowd around you, which i do when playing a brute or scrapper..or controller...or defender.... if you scrap, having a fs'er beats any other such nonsense.
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Brrrr-ZAP! |
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
If only more kins were like you.
SB PLZ |
In all honesty, I made the macros out of a purely selfish reason.. I HATED having to SB everyone all the time because of my playstyle. I use the number pad to fire all my powers in 3 trays and select mobs. I only switch to the mouse for reticule powers.
Any power that focuses on a team mate makes me have to get the mouse and find them on the team window and select them. This took too long and I ended up not doing anything else, but trying to find the right team mate and sb them.
This way is a lot more efficient and allows my kin to really rock on a team.
I wouldn't marry SB, because you just know that SB would be invited to all the great parties and I wouldn't make it past the bouncer. SB would be passed around to almost all the party goers and come home with who knows what communicable things.... Not that we would be able to marry anyway. The religious extremists would say it's breaking the sanctity of marriage and the cause of the destruction of all family values. Then Phelps would get involved and soon they'd be saying that it leads to wanting to marry pets, trees, buildings, and statues.
We'll just live in sin for a while.
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Some days I want to 6-slot my Speed Boost with Run Speed for all the complainers who gripe about Speed Boost.
It's very simple:
Kinetics is a very clicky set. Get over it. Don't like it? Don't play it. Speed Boost is a very strong power for what it provides. People spend bajillions of inf to up their Recharge and End gain, and this provides it in spades. No wonder people ask for it. A kin without SB or doesn't want to provide SB is a much weaker teammate than one who does SB. That in itself is notable, especially at the lower levels when teammates are usually short on end recovery (probably matters less now with inherent stamina).
Don't like running too fast? Ask not to be SB'd. A good kin will respect that, but it also makes you a lesser player than one accepts/wants Speed Boost because you are missing out on the recharge and possibly end. Might not matter on your team or no one else will care or notice, but others might. You might get asked to fewer teams for that reason. Sorry, but that's life in the schoolyard.
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I feel your pain. The 'speed boost machine', aka 'buff me' every ten seconds was why I finally ditched my kin defender....that and the powerset wound up giving me headaches out of game as well.|
Originally Posted by Firebeam
Instead of asking me for it every 20 seconds
I have other powers too! Im not a speed boost machine AHHHHHH!!!! ...just had to get that off my chest |
As in people telling me how to play the toon..which was 'it's a buffbot, not a fighter, stay close to the fight, if you die, you're playing it right, and get rid of that knockback power, it's interfering with the tank'..
In the end, it was just easier to just hit the delete button...
Don't get me wrong, it's a great set, just too many people have an opinion as to how to play it, and they are ALL right and you are DOING IT WRONG!!! as far as they are concerned.....
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Reading this thread has me wanting to make a new kin/ defender. 
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Ah the old "You are slowing down the team if you don't take SB" argument. I don't see how a team gets slowed down by one less person overshooting a mob and causing a team wipe because of muti-group aggro. I have been kicked from team because I asked not to be SBd. There are powersets that the animation time is slow enough that the extra recharge is useless. So for toons like my rad/arch that never has end trouble and carefully built attack chains that keep all my buffs, debuffs, and attacks going without a pause, the faster movement just means that I'm more likely to be out of position when the team needs me because I'm bouncing around like a pinball. As for the "might get asked to fewer teams for that reason", I never have trouble getting teams invites because I don't want SB. Most people are not so worried about max XP per minute that they will pass me up. The times I do get kicked for it I just one star the team leader so I know not to waste my time with them ever again and go about having fun without the stupid drama. |
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
Don't like running too fast? Ask not to be SB'd. A good kin will respect that, but it also makes you a lesser player than one accepts/wants Speed Boost because you are missing out on the recharge and possibly end. Might not matter on your team or no one else will care or notice, but others might. You might get asked to fewer teams for that reason. Sorry, but that's life in the schoolyard.
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It is fun to watch the team that kicked me make run after run back from the hospital while I'm making another run to the trainer though.
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Just make sure you three slot for running speed. That'll learn 'em.
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Originally Posted by Firebeam
Instead of asking me for it every 20 seconds
I have other powers too! Im not a speed boost machine AHHHHHH!!!! |
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my mind/kin has only one rule- everyone gets SB except the people who bug me for it.|
Originally Posted by Firebeam
Instead of asking me for it every 20 seconds
I have other powers too! Im not a speed boost machine AHHHHHH!!!! ...just had to get that off my chest |
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Works great!
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It's not just the fast attacks that love the added recharge. It's usually the long recharge attacks that benefit from speed boost as well. Powers like Mind Link, Nukes, AoEs, cone attacks, rains and various debuffs can come up much faster when a ton of recharge is added. |
Originally Posted by DocArcus
Ah the old "You are slowing down the team if you don't take SB" argument. I don't see how a team gets slowed down by one less person overshooting a mob and causing a team wipe because of muti-group aggro. I have been kicked from team because I asked not to be SBd. There are powersets that the animation time is slow enough that the extra recharge is useless. So for toons like my rad/arch that never has end trouble and carefully built attack chains that keep all my buffs, debuffs, and attacks going without a pause, the faster movement just means that I'm more likely to be out of position when the team needs me because I'm bouncing around like a pinball. As for the "might get asked to fewer teams for that reason", I never have trouble getting teams invites because I don't want SB. Most people are not so worried about max XP per minute that they will pass me up. The times I do get kicked for it I just one star the team leader so I know not to waste my time with them ever again and go about having fun without the stupid drama.
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The old "Optimized attack chain" argument is tailored to the endurance and recharge of your build. Speed Boost messes with that in a good way, allowing you to substitute multiple target attacks versus single targets, and more powerful attacks in place of tier 1 and 2 attacks.
Like I was saying before, for some teams it doesn't really matter, but if you like playing the speed runs and steam roll teams then having speed boost on everyone gives a noticeable benefit. You can say that you don't like having to refigure your attack chain or that the extra run speed is difficult to get used to, but to debate whether speed boost is effective or not is bit far fetched.
If you are one of those people who don't speed run, you probably don't have super speed on all the time anyhow, which is similar to speed boost. Most people I know have very little problems unless 2+ speed boosts are stacked on them on top of super speed, so I tend to find that the people who do have issues with SB are very rare.
You could one-star me even though I wouldn't kick you from the team for not wanting to be Speed Boosted. I'd be OK with that too.
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Originally Posted by DocArcus
It is fun to watch the team that kicked me make run after run back from the hospital while I'm making another run to the trainer though.
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I used to love repel bowling. Too bad it's a -end drain per hit. As far as being a buffbot is concerned, in many ways a kinetic's time is best spent adding damage to their teammates as opposed to personally doing damage. IE, damage by proxy. A brute or blaster mildly buffed by a kinetic can way overpower any amount of damage that a fire/kin could do.|
Originally Posted by DemonCaller
I feel your pain. The 'speed boost machine', aka 'buff me' every ten seconds was why I finally ditched my kin defender....that and the powerset wound up giving me headaches out of game as well.
As in people telling me how to play the toon..which was 'it's a buffbot, not a fighter, stay close to the fight, if you die, you're playing it right, and get rid of that knockback power, it's interfering with the tank'.. In the end, it was just easier to just hit the delete button... Don't get me wrong, it's a great set, just too many people have an opinion as to how to play it, and they are ALL right and you are DOING IT WRONG!!! as far as they are concerned..... |
Some people hate this concept of damage by proxy, but a Kinetic can be seen as the ultimate mastermind, because without Kin buffs the rest of the team is usually pretty dull. Your teammates are your minions, just make them do your bidding.
However just like any Mastermind, good kinetics means good micromanagement. If that's not your bag, then kinetics is not for you.
If you like making sure everyone has their SB buff (consistently), if you take pride in timing a transference buff because you saw the blaster nuking you filled his/her end bar without having their toggles drop, if you like being able to damage cap that brute, then kinetics is for you. Just don't count on doing a whole lot of direct damage while on a full team that is constantly on the move.
If you don't like that type of activity then kinetics will be a 'meh' set for you, or worse, a set that drives you mad.
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