If you like Speed Boost so much why don't you marry it?
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Ael Rhiana,
Posted on: 2010-12-17 02:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Oh aye. Makes Emeror Cole look like Vince Cable |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The name should give a clue
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Thelonious Monk
I still want a self-only power, that has no FX or function other than to cause any SB applied to my characters to expire instantly. I hate that power.
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Yes, my main toon is Utopia. Funny enough, her counterpart from Cole's world is named Praetoria. Yes, I got that name :P. |
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Oh aye. Makes Emeror Cole look like Vince Cable
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But related to SB, I just find it hard to believe why someone would have a problem doing their job. Empaths heal, tankers get aggro, blasters kill things. It's completely fine is you do other things also while you do your job. No one in our SG is going to look at you funny if the Kin uses controlly or blastery powers in addition to their kin powers. It's actually encouraged.
If people don't like speed boosting, then they should solo with their kin, or play something else, unless they find an SG or team that's cool with that. I'm sure they're out there. Somewhere. Apparently on Defiant Server :P
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Originally Posted by Utopia
Empaths heal, uber-buff, turn the scrapper/blaster/tanker/whatever does damage nearby into an untoppable killing machine, grant crash-less tier 9 nukes and generally rock out. While attacking. Because Empaths ain't HeaLOLzorz. End.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Wow, I knew that statement couldn't pass unchallenged, but that popped up faster than I thought it would...
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Fix't
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Lol, ok, valid point. Empaths do tons more than just heal. I have one at level 50 and it was really noobish of me to not list their accomplishments. Well, not noobish, lazy. Like a kin that won't speed boost kinda lazy.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Fix't
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"Empaths heal, tankers get aggro, blasters kill things." Most people admit a tanker can tank without its taunt. They'll also admit a blaster can kill without its tier nine- arguably best power- and the fact that an empath can do more than heal has already been dissected. They all have other powers that, collected, can do a better job. Gauntlet, all AOE attacks with larger than five targets as their max, etc. in the tank's example. I'd rather have an empath's fortitude than it's healing aura, personally. So. Is kinetics a special AT that only has SB? Does all of its potential come from Speed Boost? Does... one/one hundredth of its potential come from speed boost? Y'all know the answer! C'mon!
Does a 'lazy SBer' who makes sure the maximum number of people are hit by FS, who uses the damage boost it got from FS with it's own powers, or who makes sure everyone's health and endurance are tipped off makes a better contribution to my team than an O.C.D. SBer who'd rather make sure that one blaster had his speed boost than heal or buff the nearly dead or damage ineffectual tank? If the kinetics did both, would that be nice? Probably! Losing the latter would hardly make a difference to me, though!
(Plus, you know... Speed boosting is boring. Fulcrum Shifting and then Rain of Arrowing on those Rikti's behinds is so much more fun for us! You're allowed to do -your- jobs different ways!)
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I'm a giver...i'll hook you up Rabs ;-)
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Oi!
Less posting on the forums and more blue crack applying! I wants me some SB! |
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I guess people just get hacked off with being...I think likely the only AT/Set combo that ever gets treated like a personal team slave, y'know? I'd sure get hacked off if people kiept telling me exactly what to do with my Empath, to the point I'd simply sit there and do nothing. When asked why, I'd tell them exactly what I thought of such behaviour. At great length.|
Originally Posted by Utopia
Lol, ok, valid point. Empaths do tons more than just heal. I have one at level 50 and it was really noobish of me to not list their accomplishments. Well, not noobish, lazy. Like a kin that won't speed boost kinda lazy.
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You do your job, let your team mates do theirs. You request buffs, you don't demand them, you greedy little trogs!
/general flailing rant
So, myah
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I understand ye fully. We don't demand people do their jobs, its just kinda expected in our group. We all have tons of fun, tanking with blasters, I even herd with my Defender a lot. But we never sacrifice team dynamics just cuz we don't feel like using a power or two. I just get irritated if I die after being in the red for 10 secs because the support toon was too busy spamming TK Blast to shield/buff/heal me or others.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I guess people just get hacked off with being...I think likely the only AT/Set combo that ever gets treated like a personal team slave, y'know? I'd sure get hacked off if people kiept telling me exactly what to do with my Empath, to the point I'd simply sit there and do nothing. When asked why, I'd tell them exactly what I thought of such behaviour. At great length.
You do your job, let your team mates do theirs. You request buffs, you don't demand them, you greedy little trogs! /general flailing rant So, myah |
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OK, sure. But if your empath doesn't use Fort? Just RARA and AB?
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Originally Posted by Evil_Sprout
"Empaths heal, tankers get aggro, blasters kill things." Most people admit a tanker can tank without its taunt. They'll also admit a blaster can kill without its tier nine- arguably best power- and the fact that an empath can do more than heal has already been dissected. They all have other powers that, collected, can do a better job. Gauntlet, all AOE attacks with larger than five targets as their max, etc. in the tank's example. I'd rather have an empath's fortitude than it's healing aura, personally. So. Is kinetics a special AT that only has SB? Does all of its potential come from Speed Boost? Does... one/one hundredth of its potential come from speed boost? Y'all know the answer! C'mon!
Does a 'lazy SBer' who makes sure the maximum number of people are hit by FS, who uses the damage boost it got from FS with it's own powers, or who makes sure everyone's health and endurance are tipped off makes a better contribution to my team than an O.C.D. SBer who'd rather make sure that one blaster had his speed boost than heal or buff the nearly dead or damage ineffectual tank? If the kinetics did both, would that be nice? Probably! Losing the latter would hardly make a difference to me, though! (Plus, you know... Speed boosting is boring. Fulcrum Shifting and then Rain of Arrowing on those Rikti's behinds is so much more fun for us! You're allowed to do -your- jobs different ways!) |
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Even though I consider myself a pretty good Empath, people still faceplant from time to time. On the sorta stuff we run, it's inevitable. I may be busy healing someone else, I may be throwing out the next round of Forts, I may be activating the twin auras, I may be busy trying to kill off the guy who's trying to stave my face in at that point in time.|
Originally Posted by Utopia
I understand ye fully. We don't demand people do their jobs, its just kinda expected in our group. We all have tons of fun, tanking with blasters, I even herd with my Defender a lot. But we never sacrifice team dynamics just cuz we don't feel like using a power or two. I just get irritated if I die after being in the red for 10 secs because the support toon was too busy spamming TK Blast to shield/buff/heal me or others.
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If the guy/gal is genuinely playing a little sloppily then, ok, fine. It still happens though, everyone has off days. But expecting someone to forget everything else, just to attend to your needs is not only unrealistic, its also a tad arrogant, y'know? I doubt it comes down to 'not feeling like using a power or two'. It's much more likely to be 'Busybusypleasegimmeasecagh!'
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Damz's view:
If your toon NEEDS a character to keep up with the rest of the team, then you need to go back to the drawing board
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I think I may be explaining myself completely wrong here. People don't have to be perfect. Lord knows I'm not. People die all the time in missions. No big deal. It's when I'm on a team with a, let's say Grav/Force Field controller. When people are dying all around him and ask for force fields, and he says "I'm a controller first. Let me control, then I'll shield you." It's that kind of behavior that really gets to me, and yes, I've had that happen. Everyone plays differently, some are better than others. I just want people to have fun and play their toons in ways that can help themselves and the team get to greatness.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Even though I consider myself a pretty good Empath, people still faceplant from time to time. On the sorta stuff we run, it's inevitable. I may be busy healing someone else, I may be throwing out the next round of Forts, I may be activating the twin auras, I may be busy trying to kill off the guy who's trying to stave my face in at that point in time.
If the guy/gal is genuinely playing a little sloppily then, ok, fine. It still happens though, everyone has off days. But expecting someone to forget everything else, just to attend to your needs is not only unrealistic, its also a tad arrogant, y'know? I doubt it comes down to 'not feeling like using a power or two'. It's much more likely to be 'Busybusypleasegimmeasecagh!' |
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Uhm...well, yeah? The dude would also be fully justified. If he was the kinda guy who took ALL his secondary and neglected his primary (the hint is in the AT name, y'know?) then, well, he'd be a pretty terribad controller in my opinion. If he was a Kin/Something, or FF/Something Defender, then sure! Thats his primary function in the team. I know my defender still attacks, but she has a few select, higher damage/mez attacks that I use as needs be and in support of others. My praimry is my heals and buffs.|
Originally Posted by Utopia
I think I may be explaining myself completely wrong here. People don't have to be perfect. Lord knows I'm not. People die all the time in missions. No big deal. It's when I'm on a team with a, let's say Grav/Force Field controller. When people are dying all around him and ask for force fields, and he says "I'm a controller first. Let me control, then I'll shield you." It's that kind of behavior that really gets to me, and yes, I've had that happen. Everyone plays differently, some are better than others. I just want people to have fun and play their toons in ways that can help themselves and the team get to greatness.
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As a controller? Yeah, his praimry focus IS his controls.
And, really, FF won't stop you dying if you're already into the orange/red already. In fact, he's probably helping more by trying to keep mobs locked down with controls. After all, they cant hit you if their locked down.
Now, if he's not buffing AND is failing to lock stuff down, then yes, he's a bad player and deserves whatever abuse gets hurled his way
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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We were fighting Romans, so he really wasn't locking down, stunning, or holding anything. He even kept using his epic pool attacks before putting shields on even the tank. So yea, he was actually quite awful, but I digress. I guess I just don't see how people can't use their primaries and secondaries to their full effect at the same time. Putting buffs up AFTER every few mobs seems like a good way to not take away from your in combat role. I know it's not the easiest to catch everyone running into the next mobs, but you could still get a few guys before you had to do your other things.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Uhm...well, yeah? The dude would also be fully justified. If he was the kinda guy who took ALL his secondary and neglected his primary (the hint is in the AT name, y'know?) then, well, he'd be a pretty terribad controller in my opinion. If he was a Kin/Something, or FF/Something Defender, then sure! Thats his primary function in the team. I know my defender still attacks, but she has a few select, higher damage/mez attacks that I use as needs be and in support of others. My praimry is my heals and buffs.
As a controller? Yeah, his praimry focus IS his controls. And, really, FF won't stop you dying if you're already into the orange/red already. In fact, he's probably helping more by trying to keep mobs locked down with controls. After all, they cant hit you if their locked down. Now, if he's not buffing AND is failing to lock stuff down, then yes, he's a bad player and deserves whatever abuse gets hurled his way |
See thread title and realize 8 pages in and no one has posted anything like this...
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Originally Posted by Mouse_Man
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Originally Posted by Mouse_Man
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
I did this while I was waiting for my SB:
HAHA!
That is possibly my favorite part of that movie!
(What IS that?? Some sort of new fancy extra-spangled iPad???)
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Yep, that's right up there with Godzilla riding on Santa's sleigh.
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Speed boost, ice armor, thermal radiation--some powers are often either greatly appreciated by, or highly annoying to others. I don't often know who is going to be which. And if some teammates want some buffs and some don't, keeping track can become a task that takes away from the primary concern--succeeding in the mission at hand.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
As bad as speed boost is, I think that ice armor stuff is worse - when I get speed boosted, it's easy enough to run aehad into a mob to get rid of it - but ice armor is not so easy to remove with that tactic
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Now, I've learned how to play (and to some degree appreciate) buffs, most of which I don't really need or care for. And who am I to complain? I partly owe one of my gold skiing medals to a kind soul's speed boost. (Happy holidays!)
On the other hand, I'm not a jerkface. When a lot of people are saying they're bothered by something, I take notice. And my kinetic, ice, and thermal radiation characters have all passed on taking powers that are widely known to inconvenience or annoy others.
Now, are those characters still useful to a team? Yes. Do I care what any of you think about this decision? I'm always willing to listen to feedback that is constructive (and in this case, original). But I'm very, very unlikely to respec into any of these powers unless the buffs in question are changed--because we aren't going to change most of the people who feel inconvenienced by them. Telling them to stop playing isn't constructive, in case you were wondering.
There are things that could be done. Speed Boost might be more appreciated if heroes could choose to benefit from its attack speed recharge boost--while opting out of its run speed boost. Ice and thermal shields might be less jarring if we had new, toned down auras to choose for them. Who doesn't like a recharge boost? Who wouldn't like more auras to choose from? A few good suggestions for a development team that prides itself on providing choices for players.
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I can understand people not wanting Speed Boost, especially in cave maps. I can even understand why the brightness of the Ice or Thermal shields can be a bit overwhelming. Your decision not to take those powers is your business, and I shall respect it. But with the power customization there are a lot less harsh coloring and lighting options for those shields. And I would like to think having those powers for those people that do want them, and just not using them on people who don't would be a safer bet. Just thought I would give you a different viewpoint. Have a nice day |
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Speed boost, ice armor, thermal radiation--some powers are often either greatly appreciated by, or highly annoying to others. I don't often know who is going to be which. And if some teammates want some buffs and some don't, keeping track can become a task that takes away from the primary concern--succeeding in the mission at hand.
Now, I've learned how to play (and to some degree appreciate) buffs, most of which I don't really need or care for. And who am I to complain? I partly owe one of my gold skiing medals to a kind soul's speed boost. (Happy holidays!) On the other hand, I'm not a jerkface. When a lot of people are saying they're bothered by something, I take notice. And my kinetic, ice, and thermal radiation characters have all passed on taking powers that are widely known to inconvenience or annoy others. Now, are those characters still useful to a team? Yes. Do I care what any of you think about this decision? I'm always willing to listen to feedback that is constructive (and in this case, original). But I'm very, very unlikely to respec into any of these powers unless the buffs in question are changed--because we aren't going to change most of the people who feel inconvenienced by them. Telling them to stop playing isn't constructive, in case you were wondering. There are things that could be done. Speed Boost might be more appreciated if heroes could choose to benefit from its attack speed recharge boost--while opting out of its run speed boost. Ice and thermal shields might be less jarring if we had new, toned down auras to choose for them. Who doesn't like a recharge boost? Who wouldn't like more auras to choose from? A few good suggestions for a development team that prides itself on providing choices for players. |
I love giving SB. It makes my team better.
The end.